All is not happy in the world of Roosh Valizadeh. The formerly amoral hedonist, who built his online fiefdom on a bunch of books urging men to “bang” women in an assortment of countries, is turning into a moralistic, hectoring scold only a few steps removed from the Taliban.
And some of his old fans are wondering what the hell has happened to him.
Earlier this week, Roosh posted an especially dour and authoritarian post titled “How To Stop The Fall Of Women,” telling his readers that
It is completely your responsibility to create the environment of a good home, a good city, and a good country to prevent the fall of your women. It’s your responsibility to create the right environment where all women remain good instead of succumbing to an evil where within a short amount of time she becomes a useless, tattooed, overweight, and masculine slut. It should be clear to you by now that women absolutely can not save themselves, and have no inherent resistance to the pollution that tempts them in this world. It’s solely up to us men to shield their natural virtue so that they become the wives and mothers that allow you to fulfill your biological destiny while furthering the health of your society.
He continues on in this vein for several hundred more words.
It’s a big change from his older PUA writings, but one thing is consistent: Roosh doesn’t think women have the right to control their own lives.
Still, some of his old fans are having none of it. A reader pointed me to this interesting exchange in the comments to Roosh’s post:
A lot of Roosh’s old fans — like “Former Banger” there — are sympathetic to his new direction. But clearly not all of them. Alexa (an admittedly imperfect cataloguer of web traffic) also suggests that Roosh’s sites are losing steam, and losing readers. He’s still a long way from irrelevant, but he gets closer every day.
No wonder Roosh is so grumpy.
I know that I, for one, am utterly shocked.
If you want to make an argument, make an argument. If you want to reply to every post with “why?” when people have already answered all the whys, you are a troll who is more interested in getting a rise out of people than having a conversation or contributing to the space. If you don’t want to be called a troll, try not acting like one.
@Aris Bloch:
Either be funny or be gone. We have a very high bar for bad faith posting here.
Goodness knows, a man who has tried to make a living by advising other men to engage in rape-y behavior couldn’t possibly be a rapist himself! The chances are, like, eleventy-brazillion to one!!
Hah! I knew paradoxical intention was wasting all that effort — because Trolly McTrollerson wouldn’t read even one of those links, let alone all of them.
But. At least no one can say we don’t try hard enough to help people who claim to be looking for information or guidance.
FWIW, I don’t think Aris Boch is a troll.
I think Aris Boch is an entitled brat who has no respect whatsoever for the time and energy of other human beings, and who therefore feels not the slightest hesitation in totally wasting that time and energy.
Aris Boch displays the kind of “Everyone on earth exists to serve me” style of selfishness that characterizes preverbal infants. “Do this thing for me!” “Hold my hand through this concept!” “Explain remedial feminism 090 for me!” “You’re so unreasonable to not want to spend your valuable time and energy catering to my lazy whims!”
But not a troll. I recognize that this is a fine distinction.
@WWTH:
Thank you for that link. I hadn’t read it, and found it to be a very powerful essay. I really enjoyed reading that.
A person who admits to having committed a crime, does in fact admit to having committed that crime. This is an example of a tautology.
@dhag85 | October 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Implying that person tells the truth.
Do you not read what other people have to say? At all? Plenty of people, besides myself, have explained to you why people feel pressured to not report.
Look, I spent time sending you tons of links, and you’re still going on about how “that’s not really a reason”, and you’d rather believe that Roosh, who makes a living telling men how to lie to, manipulate, and force women into their beds (which is rape) isn’t a rapist, despite saying over and over again that he’s raped people, and wanting to advocate rape on private property.
If you’re not going to at least take our word for it, why the fuck wouldn’t you take Roosh’s on the subject?
Why the fuck would you believe that the only way he can possibly be a rapist is if he’s been prosecuted?
Because if I kill someone and don’t get prosecuted for it, I’m still a fucking murderer. So, if Roosh rapes someone and isn’t reported, he’s sure as fuck still a rapist.
To quote another regular here: “Asshole is not a mental illness.”
I’d appreciate it if you stopped throwing myself and other mentally ill people under the bus to make yourself feel better about Roosh existing, kthx.
Why do you need more evidence than the rapist himself admitting to it? Why is his own testimony not good enough for you? Because you think he made it up?
What proof do you have that it’s made up? Beyond “Oh, I’ve never heard of him being prosecuted!” which is bullshit?
Yeah, because those two books are totally the same, amirite? [/sarcasm]
I’m going to second Policy of Madness’ position on this. Not a troll, but a really entitled child who needs to have everything explained to them because they don’t know how to Google.
No court worth it’s salt would convict someone based on a confession alone.
@Aris Boch
People are not courts.
And why do you think Roosh would want to lie about being a rapist? What would he get by admitting to a crime if he didn’t commit it?
There is a difference between “committed a crime” and “convicted of the crime in court.” About six years ago my passport got stolen. The case is still unsolved, which means that nobody got convicted of it (I assume) but that doesn’t mean that nobody stole it.
I find myself wondering: Why is Aris Boch so deeply invested in Roosh not being the rapist he claims to be? What is Aris Boch’s dog in this fight?
Maybe I need to revisit my not-a-troll assessment.
You can be convicted on the basis of a confession alone in just about every common law jurisdiction on Earth.
Definitely a troll. Notice how the goalposts keep shifting. First the proof he wanted was Roosh’s admission, then he wanted proof in the form of charges brought against, now he wants some sort of forensic or video evidence. Every time we answer the concern he pretends to have, he shifts the goalpost to a new place.
Even if he’s not really a Roosh fan, and his other posts here indicated he does have contempt for manospherians, he is certainly determined to preserve rape culture.
@ WWTH
Just to be pedantic, all evidence is forensic by definition.
When people say forensic evidence they’re usually referring to what we actually call scientific evidence.
@Policy of Madness | October 11, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Ad hom. Yay.
Several confessions plus lots of advertisements though….
@weirwoodtreehugger | October 11, 2015 at 2:12 pm
I’m getting a strong Dubya-vibe from you “either you’re with us, or you’re with the
terroristsrape apologists”.Ad hominem = “Aris Boch is wrong because he’s a rape apologist, and thus I don’t need to disprove anything they’ve said, because they’re a rape apologist.”
Not Ad Hom = “Why is Aris Boch so invested in insisting that Roosh isn’t a rapist?”
Learn2Fallacy. Ad Homeinem is NOT just an insult, it’s an insult meant to discredit you, which we’ve done with facts.
At what point do those of us who believe that Ari is a troll get to say “I told you so”?
It’s not “with us or against us” so much as “this guy is trying to insist that a self-professed rapist isn’t a rapist by shifting goalposts”.
So, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…
@EJ: Now would be good.
I was wrong about them being a troll, I’ll admit it.
They’re definitely trolling now, intentionally or not.
Welp, the troll-o-meter has hit the red. Anyone up for looking at cute foxes?
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