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Here’s my segment from The Majority Report yesterday

I talked to The Majority Report’s Matt Binder about Men’s Rightsers, PUAs, MGTOWs, and the rest, as well as about some of the attempts of white supremacists to recruit in the manosphere (and vice versa). Enjoy!

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brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@Kat

That group of questioned reminded me of a generic high school exam question.

“Is Democracy (or Capitalism, or Environmentalism, or Secularism, etc) an unalloyed good? What are it’s potential downsides or tradeoffs? Discuss.”

Note, Obsidian started his inquest with this.

Now, let’s move to some of the things Futrelle addresses. My first question is this: is feminism an unmitigated good? Does it not have any downsides? is there no trade-offs?

(Earlier I accidentally quoted the first version from the YouTube comment, which had “unalloyed” rather than “unmitigated”.)

Of course, David and Matt didn’t “address” Feminism at all. They first discussed how red pill crap has being creeping into general discourse. David then explains what MRAs, PUAs and MGTOWs are to civilians. They talked about Breitbart editor and noted Gamergate exploiter Milo Yiannopoulos and his appearance on The Joe Rogan Show.

I found the most interesting parts of the interview were about how the established far right, from Breitbart to Stormfront, is actively courting/pandering to manosphere/gamergate/red pill crowd in hopes of growing their base among younger men. In turn, manospherians are adopting a broader right wing ideology beyond their malformed misogynistic anti-feminism.

Note, Obsidian doesn’t ask a single question about any of this.

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

Kat:

Oxygen: an unalloyed good?

Well, oxygen is an oxidizer, which allows many things to burn in contact with a spark. without oxygen, the likelihood of objects and life forms, like trees catching fire would decrease dramatically. Is your desire to breathe more important than fire prevention? There needs to be an alternative.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

brooked responses were fantastic, so I think there’s only one thing I need to say:

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/MetalAmaya_photo/obviously.jpg

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@Argenti
Wait, do you have access to an axolotl? A live axolotl?

katz
katz
5 years ago

Hell Katz, flesh lights exist, and plenty of things are humpable — from the infamous pie to the more practical pillow.

PSA: Do not hump a pie straight out of the oven. That way lies a trip to the emergency room.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@RosaDeLava

@Argenti
Wait, do you have access to an axolotl? A live axolotl?

Oh, the wonders that await you. Nivi pics are the bomb.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@brooked

I found the most interesting parts of the interview were about how the established far right, from Breitbart to Stormfront, is actively courting/pandering to manosphere/gamergate/red pill crowd in hopes of growing their base among younger men. In turn, manospherians are adopting a broader right wing ideology beyond their malformed misogynistic anti-feminism.

Fascinating. The good news is that all these groups are tipping their hand that they’re one and the same: Those who hate women also hate Jews, gays, and immigrants, among others. I can only hope that the other groups are as incompetent as the manosphere.

The one difference that I can think of is that, last I checked, Nazis & Co. are not an ironic bunch. They’re not likely to slip sly jokes into their rants, the way Roosh does. Hitler was not a hipster.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@brooked
I wanna *grabby hands*
In my university they have dead axolotls (but I’m in the botany department, so I don’t exactly have access to those either), but I would be so happy if I could see one IRL.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@Kat

Hitler was not a hipster.

With that hairstyle? Pffft
Sorry.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

This pic is like a year old, but it’s the only one I can find at the moment:

https://instagram.com/p/skV6pSo9i1/

Depending how your uni kills them ( 🙁 ) they may not look that different, other than the gill flick she spends most of her time in variations of that position! Only time Nivi moves fast is to suck down food 🙂

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

It’s official, I can’t Instagram. She’s near the top: http://www.instagram.com/argentiaertheri (please let that work!)

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Hold on guys, I got bored, so a long post inbound!

Catalpa
5 years ago

I don’t understand why these trolls come onto a mockery site, a site explicitly meant for mockery, and then are shocked and appalled when the regulars of the site deign to mock them instead of engaging in pointless debate with a thickheaded misogynist.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Petitioning again to get David to put this somewhere on the site:

“The purpose of this space is not for discussing feminism or its merits.

You are not entitled to a debate, niceness, or education from anyone here.

You have been warned.”

But, you know what? I’m bored as shit. So, let’s do this. *cracks knuckles*

Though, I will say out the gate that I’m not going to quote every single article of what you say, good sir, because quite frankly, you’re verbose as fuck and need to learn the definition of the word brevity.

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:36 pm
[…] So, right from the rip, I call BS on Futrelle’s argument and claims that the Manosphere is inherently racist. The fact that I stand before you as a Manospherian belies such a notion.”

“They’re not racist, I, one of their token black men, say so!”

What about all the other black people who say they are, in fact, racist? What about the PoC that bring up specific examples of them being racist? What about this very site citing specific examples of various manosphere blogs being racists towards all kinds of PoC? What about all the other non-black PoC who say they’re racist?

Do they all just stop existing? Does your opinion somehow nullify theirs?

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:38 pm
I’d like to continue now with the promised links of my columns and articles, as well as podcasts that directly address (and often refutes) of Mr. Futrelle’s remarks per the interview above.

I see no links sir.

Though, judging from what I’ve read from you so far, you’re not exactly batting 1000 here when it comes to “refuting” David.

I’m also looking into getting in contact with Mr. Binder to see if he’d be willing to interview yours truly.

Well, good luck with that, because had you paid a little more attention, you’d know that Mr. Binder’s off to do other things.

In the meantime, I have this question in response to Mr. Futrelle’s remarks regarding Roosh’s desire to have sex with “slim White women”. It’s not my personal preference, but why is that such a wrong thing? Please explain?”

I don’t recall David saying that (Mammotheers, please correct me if I’m wrong), but the thing about Roosh is that his views are heavily rooted in racism. Every other article Roosh writes is about how “evil brown people” are out to destroy Western civilization, even though many of his sexist views are drawn from more extremist Eastern religions, and he even claimed that he’s Islamic (but it was only a really shitty “gotcha” in order to make a very sorry dodge of criticism leveled at him by Canadian feminists).

It’s one thing to go “I’ve only been attracted to white women” and quite another to say “I only fuck white women because other women are gross.”

That’s racist. And considering that Roosh has proclaimed himself “Leader of the Fat Shaming Movement”, he’s also a douchebag in that arena as well.

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:40 pm
My first question is this: is feminism an unmitigated good? Does it not have any downsides? is there no trade-offs?

Granted, feminism isn’t perfect. Nothing in this world truly is, and let’s face it, it’s run by completely fallible people. Feminism has had issues in the past with racism, transphobia, sex worker discrimination, fatphobia, ect.

But, that isn’t to say that there aren’t feminists who are working on that, or that we don’t recognize that it’s a problem, because it is. In fact, that’s where we get SWERFs (Sex-Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminists), TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists), and White Feminists (A feminist who only seems to care about cishet, white, middle-class women’s issues, not necessarily a feminist who is white) from.

Now, does that mean we should give up feminism altogether? Fuck no. It’s a process, and we’re constantly learning and growing.

As for the downsides, does being harassed by the manosphere count? Because it does happen. And being treated like a bra-burning, man-hating, raving madwoman because I spout such radical notions as “Hey, maybe we shouldn’t blame rape victims for their rapes!”

As for the trade-offs, I’d like to think that having the ability to get a college education, getting the right to vote, own property, and get into relationships and marry on my own terms are pretty damn nice.

Oh, and feminists are also working to end Rape Culture, fatphobia, sex stigma, ect, so we’ve still got a full plate and lots of work to do.

Futrelle is correct to say that the Manosphere is a reactionary movement of sorts. But we could say the exact same thing of feminism itself, or the civil rights movement, and so on. The Manosphere, when you really boil it down, is an examination of the question as poised above.”

Then why the fuck is the Manosphere more concerned with harassing women and feminists and asking for the right to beat, rape, and make women kowtow to them and their Almighty Boners instead of, oh, I don’t know, focusing on men’s issues like toxic masculinity, or companies making money off the back of men’s insecurities about their masculinity?

Not once, in my years of being a feminist, have I seen a MRA (or any other member of the manosphere, for that matter) stand up for men, unless it was to bludgeon a feminist with bullshit, or derail a conversation said feminist was having about women’s issues, in a sorry attempt to silence them.

Last I checked, while feminism does help men, it’s not really our purpose to focus on men’s problems.

The Manosphere is no real “examination” of feminism. If anything, it’s a group of men dedicated to harassing women under the guise of “critique”.

But, that’s okay, because we feminists are critical of ourselves, and call each other out for bullshit all the time.

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:41 pm
“Regarding pickup artists: again, the question has to be: is it a crime for a man to want to learn how to attract the women he wants, for purposes of wanting sex? If your answer is “no”, then what really, is your problem with game?

It’s not a crime for a man to want to know how to attract someone he’s interested in. Nor is it a crime for him to go to someone for advice.

My problem with game (since I can’t, and wouldn’t, speak for every other feminist) is that it’s not really to attract women, it’s just to use them to get some sexual gratification through lies, deceit, and outright manipulation. It’s just a way to manipulate women into becoming another notch in a man’s bedpost.

There’s nothing wrong with casual sex mind you, but the way that people who spout “game” put it bothers me immensely because they talk about women not as people, but as complex sex vending machines, mindless animals, or, at best, “sluts and whores”.

If your argument is that game is inherently flawed, my question then becomes: what’s the alternative, and why hasn’t it been available until now?

The thing is, the alternative has always been available, men just have been lead to believe (by other men who then offer to teach them “game” as an alternative, usually at the cost of a seminar or book! Look, men making money off of men’s insecurities because men have been taught by society that the only way they have worth is if they fuck as many women as possible!) that it isn’t available or doesn’t work because that one woman they hit on once didn’t return their affections and didn’t immediately drop and give him a blowjob.

The alternative is: Treat women like they’re people you’d like to get in bed with, with their permission, instead of Sexy Time vending machines.

Boom. That easy.

Of course, some other people have mentioned various sex toys, but I’m assuming you mean an alternative to get a real, live woman in bed with you.

I think the pickup artists have forced a number of very powerful questions onto the table for the rest of us to examine.”

Like what?

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:43 pm
“Regarding the men’s rights movement: Futrelle says that they haven’t done anything, but he forgets the fact that feminism has been around for more than a century and according to many in their number women still aren’t equal.

It’s an ongoing process. We’re not just going to become equal to men overnight. The Patriarchy wasn’t Dismantled in a Day.

So, who really hasn’t accomplished anything here?

Well, we’ve gotten women the right to vote, to get a college education, the right to marry who we want, the right to have sex with who we want (though we’re still working on the stigma surrounding that), the right to own property, ect.

What has the manosphere done besides try (and fail) to organize conventions and such?

I say that the very fact that I’m here discussing these things with you and your audience right now, as a black, working class man, says that the Manosphere has been quite successful, and the party’s just getting started!”

Really? Because I think that you, as a black working class man, owe that to the Civil Rights Movement, not the Manosphere.

Though, you’re more than welcome to post a list of things that the Manosphere has done for men. I’d love to see it.

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:51 pm
“While I’m here, please allow me to give you my own little manifesto wrt men’s issues. I’m often asked, “Obsidian, what do you want?”. My answer is very simple: I want the concerns of men taken seriously.

Considering most of “men’s issues” are taken seriously, and that a majority of what the manosphere lists as “men’s issues” are either non-issues or “I just want feminists to shut up and let me hit/rape/fuck women when I want”, I don’t think I’m out of place here to ask for an elaboration on this point.

I want make disposability-something I know about first-hand as a life-long blue collar guy who’s career ended with a workplace injury-seriously.

Again, elaboration. For someone who’s so verbose, you sure do manage to say a hell of a lot of nothing.

However, in terms of “disposability”, I’d like to cover a few things:

– Men tend to do more risky things that women.
– Men tend to dominate more risky fields, and shove women out (and then the manosphere whines that women don’t want said risky jobs)

I want men’s health issues, which includes emotional, mental and sexual, taken seriously.

While I would very much agree with you on this point, I think we’d disagree on what the cause of said issues are.

A lot of these are due to toxic masculinity, specifically the idea that men asking for help is considered “weak” and something to mock.

I want the same people (read: women) who drone on about attractiveness standards, also give time to the very same things wrt men (for example: documented heightism against men by women in terms of dating, etc.).

“Heightism” isn’t a thing. A woman saying “I like to date men taller than me” isn’t a hate crime, nor is it some sort of sign of bigotry. She’s not saying you’re a lesser person for being short, she’s saying she’s just not into short dudes.

That isn’t to say she wouldn’t date a shorter dude if they clicked really well, or that she was being 100% honest because a guy was nagging her for a reason for her to not like him, because she can’t just say “no thank you” and be left in peace, which is often the case when it comes to dating, in my experience.

For instance, I’m really into blonde guys. Does that mean I only date blonde guys? No, it’s just a preference. If I met a brunette guy who I clicked really well with (and it has happened before), then I’d be inclined to date them.

It’s not about what I must have in a partner, its just things I find attractive on human beings.

I want reproductive rights for Men, taken seriously.

Elaborate please.

Because, if my assumptions based off of other manospherians are correct: You mean you want to be able to force a woman to have a pregnancy instead of getting an abortion, or you want more of a say of what goes on with a body that is not yours, which is a whole other topic of conversation.

I want the education of boys, taken seriously.

Considering that we’d rather boot girls out of class for “breaking dress code” than expect boys to not gawk at girls for showing a bit of shoulder in 90 degree weather, I’d say that this one is already taken care of.

In fact, we take boys’ education so seriously, that we’d rather jeopardize girls’ education to make sure they’re learning properly!

I want false rape accusations-something black men know about all to well in this society and historically running up through the present day-seriously. (Brian Banks, anyone?)

You have a higher chance of actually being raped than to be falsely accused of it.

And if that’s not good enough for you, here’s a Stanford article on the subject.

Oh, we wanna drop names though? How about Bill Cosby?

I want family and child support court abuses concerning men, I want family court abuses against men, taken seriously.

What do you mean by “family court abuses”?

Because men are more often given custody than not when they seek it. The problem lies in the fact that men aren’t more likely to seek custody.

I want domestic and spousal abuse by women against men and boys, taken seriously.

Good, then we agree on that point as well. But, again, I think we disagree on the source of the problem. I point, once again, to toxic masculinity and the idea that being hit by a woman is considered “weak”, and asking for help is something to mock.

Of course, I think we should take all domestic and spousal abuse against men and boys taken seriously, including the abuse against men and boys perpetrated by men.

Obsidian | October 9, 2015 at 9:56 pm
“It’s interesting that Mr. Futrelle and Mr. Binder want to go in on Milo Yannopoulos, an out gay man.

You mean the guy who says he wishes he wasn’t gay, and says that he only “went gay” because women are, in his words, “nutty broads”?

And are you implying that only gay people can criticize Milo? Fine.

As a member of the LGBTQA+ community myself, Milo has done more harm than good for us solely with that. He’s a racist, sexist, self-hating homophobe who only jumped on the GamerGate bandwagon because he thinks that they’ll somehow bolster his “journalism” career, not because he has any sympathy or camaraderie for them beyond the fact that they’re both sexist.

Milo, […] proves that if you stray just one millimeter off of the social justice warrior reservation, you are then thrown under the bus.

So, the manosphere seems to believe the straw argument that “SJWs” will defend someone, no matter what they’re doing, if they’re a part of a marginalized group.

But you’re saying that if they stray too far off the “social justice reservation” (which is really fucking racist, bee-tee-dubs, so thanks for proving, yet again, that the manosphere is racist), then they’re “thrown under the bus”.

So which is it? Do I defend Milo solely because he’s gay (and a “choice gay” at that), or do I “throw him under the bus” for being a shitty person?

Because I’d rather talk about him being a shitty person, which he is.

So, allow me to make this a bit clearer for you: If a person, no matter what group they come from, is a shitty person, we’re going to call them out for shitty behavior. Milo’s not “protected” by us solely because he’s gay, because gay people can be shitty too, case in point: Milo!

Just like I can still call you out for sexism, despite the fact that you’re black!

Obsidian | October 10, 2015 at 4:42 pm
It’s perfectly fine if you can’t or won’t respond; I have noticed that quite a few folks like you tend to respond to my ripostes with what Ms. Janet Bloomfield coined “stunned silence”.

Doesn’t want to talk to you =/= You’re right and win everything.

FFS dude.

Obsidian | October 10, 2015 at 6:19 pm
@Argenti:
“Point here? None of us are obligated to answer your questions dude.”

Of course not, but then we all know this, right? Let’s try and be grownups here, hmm? “Snark” and “Mocking” behavior is for children. Let’s have a real conversation on the issues, not the personalities, not the name calling, not any of the arid, abstract stuff that so many White folks on both sides of the Manosphere divide seem to devolve into,

Well, I’d love to have a conversation about the “real issues”, but considering you’ve brought me only straw and are currently trying to tone police and stamp your widdle feet as hard as you can, I’m finding it rather difficult to have an “adult” conversation with you, considering you only mildly sound like an adult, but don’t act like one.

and discuss the actual issues that undergird the very existence of the Manosphere to begin with?

Sir, are you suggesting that something is strapped to your undercarriage? Because that’s an odd turn-of-phrase.

I am using my own living personal testimony as a jumping off point here – a Black, inner city, working class, union card-carrying trades unionist.

And I’m suing my own living personal testimony as a pansexual feminist to point out that you’re not putting anything new out here, Mr. SeaLion, and are, in fact, rather verbose and boring.

And I managed to do it in one post instead of fourteen!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Aw, my long-ass Teal Deer addressing Trolly-Os got put in moderation. XD

Catalpa | October 11, 2015 at 1:02 am
I don’t understand why these trolls come onto a mockery site, a site explicitly meant for mockery, and then are shocked and appalled when the regulars of the site deign to mock them instead of engaging in pointless debate with a thickheaded misogynist.

“But, why won’t they debate me?! I just came here looking for a debate!” Says the 234323rd Manospherian who came to WHTM looking for a debate on the merits of feminism today.

“They must just not want to debate me because they know they can’t win! That must be it!” he assured himself, nodding sagely. “I mean, it’s not like I’m being unreasonable in demanding they debate me! I mean, what else could they possibly be doing today?”

He leaned against a wall, crossing his arms as he thought. “I only want them to prove to me that feminism should have a reason to exist! I don’t think feminism is needed, so I want them to prove to me that it is! Obviously, my opinions on the subject should matter to them, I mean, I’m a man!”

He stood back up, and shoved his hands in his pockets. “Stupid femicommunazis…what’s the point if they don’t want to educate me about their obviously wrong and stupid arguments?” he muttered, kicking a can as he walked away into the sunset, looking for another blog to post the same demands to.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention
Whoa! Well done.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

Hipster Hitler?

What an age we live in.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Yeah, well I was into invading the Sudentenland before it was cool.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Paradoxy, you are terrifying when you get going.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention
http://i.imgur.com/i6r5VDO.gif

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Does anybody else hear the Mortal Kombat announcer after one of PI’s takedowns?

PARADOXICAL INTENTION WINS. FATALITY.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention – I salute you.

http://i.giphy.com/O4g6rcjHluBUs.gif

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

EJ (The Other One) | October 11, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Paradoxy, you are terrifying when you get going.

(✿ʘ‿ʘ) Good.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs | October 11, 2015 at 3:38 pm
Does anybody else hear the Mortal Kombat announcer after one of PI’s takedowns?

PARADOXICAL INTENTION WINS. FATALITY.

Warnings for blood and gore, but this is my favorite fatality in Mortal Kombat.

@Everyone else: Aw, shucks. Thank you for your kind words.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@PI

… Would that be a jawless victory?

*grins*

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Damn PI, way to go!

Obsidian
Obsidian
5 years ago

@Paradoxial Intention:
I want you to know that I have responded to your post to me; it’s currently in moderation, and includes all the links you require and then some. Thanks for the relatively reasoned and civil conversation! Just goes to show, that it’s always better to jaw-jaw, than to war-war, hmm?

In appreciation,

O.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Just goes to show, that it’s always better to jaw-jaw, than to war-war, hmm?

Huh! I can’t think of one time when feminists started a war-war.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Kat

My heroine Boudicca?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

Certainly women have fought in wars, often disguised as men. But they weren’t fighting for feminism.

Boudicca fought the Romans, not the patriarchy. If she had fought the patriarchy and won, I believe that the world would look very different today.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Kat

Well of course before the row over the will and her father’s debts Boudicca came from a family of happy collaborators.

It was the rape of her daughters that was the cassus belli though, so that’s a bit feminist.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention

“I think the pickup artists have forced a number of very powerful questions onto the table for the rest of us to examine.”

Like what?

While I lack your fortitude and tapped out Obsidian’s ramblings early on, I did notice that comment and I share your curiosity about these supposed “very powerful questions”. I’d love to examine them, and when I say examine I really mean point and laugh at them.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

“I think the pickup artists have forced a number of very powerful questions onto the table for the rest of us to examine.”

Pickup artists?

Forced?

Very powerful?

Huh.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

WTF tedious troll is tedious.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Is anyone else slightly grossed out by the passive aggressive “thank you” Obsidian gave PI? Like, see how good PI is, not being childish and immature like the rest of us?

Btw, calling a bunch of people, the majority of whom are cis women, childish and immature? You’ve dripped sexism on the floor, mind cleaning up after yourself?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@ Argenti

I dunno, I’m still puzzling over “Just goes to show, that it’s always better to jaw-jaw, than to war-war, hmm?” There are so many condescending asshole layers to this statement, but mainly I’m wondering if “jaw-jaw” and “war-war” are racist against Native Americans or not.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

It’s the Churchill quote isn’t it?

(although he probably nicked it like he did with ‘so much to so few’)

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

“I think the pickup artists have forced a number of very powerful questions onto the table for the rest of us to examine.”

These very powerful questions: Are they like really, really muscular tribbles?

So many questions, so little time.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@Alan

That doesn’t mean it’s not racist.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ POM

How might it be racist?

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Argenti Aertheri | October 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm
Is anyone else slightly grossed out by the passive aggressive “thank you” Obsidian gave PI? Like, see how good PI is, not being childish and immature like the rest of us?

Btw, calling a bunch of people, the majority of whom are cis women, childish and immature? You’ve dripped sexism on the floor, mind cleaning up after yourself?

Agreed. I was being “childish and immature” myself, with loads of sarcasm, mostly because the dude doesn’t know the definition of the word “brevity”.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Kat | October 10, 2015 at 5:54 pm
@Obsidian

Obsidian, you seem to need a lot of attention. I have a cat like that, but he’s cute and talks less than you do.”

You have a cat that talks? Really?

Indeed, he does. It sounds like this: “Meow, meow.”

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@Alan

There’s a very racist caricature of Native Americans that they use language like that.

I mean, what in the world made Churchill use those phrases in particular?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Errm, am I the only one who finds that cat freakout video painful to watch? “We find your terror hilarious!” is not something that makes me smile.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

There had been a speech with a reference to speaking jaw to jaw. Churchill condensed it as a nice catchy aphorism. It’s quite famous over here.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

I’m assuming the kitty bath soap is a flea treatment or some such, cuz otherwise yeah, that was cute for the first few seconds, and then rapidly went the way of “aww, even if this is necessary can’t you at least talk nice to poor kitty?” That’s totally how Darwin signals he’s done in the tub though, and then we have a very awkward period of picking him up combined with making sure his underside is clean, which he does NOT like, but is a necessary part of keeping your tortoise clean. Still, I try to keep him level and talk nice to him while I do it, and his claws can’t break skin!

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@PI’s Takedown

http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.41428005.7390/flat,800×800,075,f.jpg

Errm, am I the only one who finds that cat freakout video painful to watch? “We find your terror hilarious!” is not something that makes me smile.

Ontop of the fact that the cat sounds like it’s screaming “no”? No, you’re not.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Policy of Madness

Me too, although I know that Paradoxical Intention meant no harm.

I’m still traumatized about having to give my cat a bath in August 2007. We were strangers to her! But we talked to her soothingly. And afterward, she was very, very happy to be clean.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Well, as an example of a talking cat, PI did nail it. It’s just unfortunate that the cat likes water about as much as, uh, shit, I can’t use a wet cat as the punchline *flails* I KNOW! The cat likes water as much as tortoises like being upside down!

Actually, anything more than about 30° off level and he starts getting weird, even if his stupid ass got himself in that position… tomorrow, I must find and upload it… I have a clip somewhere of him nearly flipping himself over insisting on going between things instead of over or under either thing (don’t worry, I righted him when it looked like he might actually fall, him clawing in futile determination is great though)