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Umpqua Community College shooter apparently announced his plans on 4chan yesterday

Police inspecting bags of students at Umpqua Community College after the shooting today
Police inspecting bags of students at Umpqua Community College after the shooting today

UPDATE: The shooter has been identified as 26-year-old Chris Harper-Mercer. Rumors spread earlier in the day that the shooter was a a regular 4channer and active Youtuber known as “the eggman.” Obviously they were wrong.

This is beyond fucked up. In this archived thread from 4chan’s /r9k/ board, the apparent shooter at Umpqua Community College told fellow channers yesterday of his plans to shoot up a school today. He didn’t specify which school, mentioning only that it was in the “northwest.” /r9k/ is a board heavily populated by so-called “incels,” and the media is reporting that the apparent shooter regularly posted bitter complaints about his lack of success with women,

UPDATE 2: There is a lot of confusing and contradictory information out there, and the IDing of the killer has actually raised more questions than it’s resolved. An apparent Myspace page for Harper-Mercer suggests that he was obsessed both with guns and with the IRA.

There have also been reports that he was targeting Christians. According to the New York Post, a “woman who claimed to have a grandmother inside a writing class in Snyder Hall, where a portion the massacre unfolded” reported that

“The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were Christian,” she wrote. “If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn’t answer, they were shot in the legs.

So was he — as an apparent supporter of the IRA — targeting Protestants? The Daiy Beast, for its part, says the shooter “hated religion.” Chuck C. Johnson of GotNews says he’s “confirmed” that the shooter was a Muslim.

Is the Myspace page really his? Is the report from the alleged granddaughter bullshit? Was the 4chan posting yesterday actually from him, or a comment from a troll that just happened to have been posted the day before a school shooting in the northwest?

I don’t know. But I still recommend that you read the rest of this post, if only to see the comments from the other 4channers.

Screenshots below:

Here’s his first comment warning fellow channers not to go to school today if they live in the northwest.

umpwarning

He then said he’d post again shortly before he started to shoot. (I don’t know if he did.)

ump10min

Because 4chan is a fucking cesspool, other channers offered him advice:

umpadvice

Another anon suggested that indiscriminate killing wasn’t the solution, seeming to imply that more targeted killing was?

umprandom

Others put forth their ideas of what sorts of people might be considered appropriate targets:

umpad2

umptarg

More encouragement. Note the reference to Elliot Rodger, the Santa Barbara “incel” killer.

umpenc

umenc2

umpenc3

umpenc4

umpenc5

umpenc6

A few others urged the OP to NOT carry out his plans.

umpdnt

umpwhite

After reports of the shooting hit the news, anons reacted with amazement:

umpafter

Amazement and enthusiasm:

umpafter2

In case you’re wondering, “kek” is the equivalent of “lol.”

More excitement:

4chanagain

4cchan2

4chaf

There’s much more of this in the thread.

Naturally, someone claims that the shooting could have been averted if only the shooter could have found a girlfriend.

vict

Yes that’s right: he thinks the shooter was himself a victim, presumably of the entire female gender.

There’s a lot more in the thread but honestly I can’t stomach it right now.

Note: This post has been updated numerous times.

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History Nerd
5 years ago

We actually do know what sets them apart from ordinary extremists. They’re pathologically narcissistic and have a grandiose sense of self-worth, poor emotional self-regulation (not mental illness), and a fascination with weapons. White and male privilege and toxic masculinity seem to play a big role when combined with that (almost all school mass shooters are white males).

amy
amy
5 years ago

Catalpa- thank you very much.

kfreed
kfreed
5 years ago

The “men’s rights” 4-chan idiots are white supremacist teabag types. Check your email, Dave. I send you a primer.

Next: Little Green Footballs is also on top of it (another ally with information you’ll find beneficial):

“Hoft has been taken in by the trolls of 4chan. According to NBC reporter Tom Winter, the person Hoft identified as the killer, Toby Reynolds, is alive and has contacted NBC.”

“Tonight, Hoft followed up this massive fail by retweeting a post from an overt white supremacist”
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45110_Massive_Fail-_Stupidest_Man_on_the_Internet_Jim_Hoft_Falls_for_Another_Hoax_Identifies_Wrong_Man_as_Oregon_Shooter

*Jim Hoft hasn’t been “taken in” he’s a white supremacist.

The losers are attempting to divert scrutiny by blaming it on #BlackLivesMatter by naming someone who is not the shooter. My email to you will explain why this tactic was predictable. Subject: “Men’s Rights” movement is white supremacist. FAQs answered. Please read it.

You have allies you didn’t know you had:) It’s high time we ALL started comparing notes:)

Meanwhile, meet Americans Against the Tea Party: http://aattp.org/

You might also note that they aren’t only targeting women (also minorities, immigrants, gays, and liberals in general): Coalition to Stop Gun Violence: “Insurrectionism Timeline” (mass shootings/right-wing terrorism 2008 – 2015 and counting) :
http://csgv.org/issues/guns-democracy-freedo/insurrectionism-timeline/

This man is absolutely correct: “When you check their voting records, the same people who are fighting environmental justice are fighting public education. The same people who are fighting public education are fighting Medicaid expansion. The same people fighting Medicaid expansion are fighting women’s health. The people fighting the women’s health are fighting against the LGBT community. The same people fighting the LGBT community are fighting the labor rights community. So, if they are cynical enough to be together we ought to be courageous and smart enough to come together. [applause]…”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/29/1425693/-Reverend-Barber-suggests-Daily-Kos-team-up-with-Moral-Monday-Movement-and-go-national

Either we all swim together or we all sink together.

Sincerely,
kfreed – Artist for the Ethical Treatment of People

(I want them to know that “old milk” grandma is going to be one of the reasons these “men’s rights” white supremacist scumbags get drop kicked into next week).

You’re welcome.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

My inner conspiracy theorist says they’re not kept alive specifically so we don’t learn what drives them.

God, fuck, I don’t need that thought. We already got cops killing PoC, we don’t need cops killing people so no one realizes the rampant misogyny. That’s, just, like, really…that’s Illuminati levels.

Come on.

History Nerd
5 years ago

“Poor emotional self-regulation” is a horrible way of describing it actually. It’s more likely that the person has learned that acting threatening makes other people do what he wants.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

There was also an arson at a California Planned Parenthood. A story that got buried today, but is important IMO. I wish law enforcement would treat these crimes as terrorism, because they are.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

I would not be an iota surprised if cops intentionally ensured these guys didn’t get captured alive. Not believe of discovering their motives, but so they don’t get to spend years on death row, or live a long life in prison until dying of natural causes.

WWTH — yeah, it’d be brilliant if the Feds treated PP arson as the domestic terrorism it is. Call me cynical but I’m not seeing it happen anytime soon.

kfreed
kfreed
5 years ago

I meant I SENT you a primer. Man I need to get some sleep.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

There was also an arson at a California Planned Parenthood. A story that got buried today, but is important IMO. I wish law enforcement would treat these crimes as terrorism, because they are.

Really? Fucking hell. How many PPs have to get blown up before people reconize a pattern?

Orion
5 years ago

I’m relatively ignorant about law enforcement. What would “treating something as terrorism” mean?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Orion

Not making it seem like just random people exploding shit. Actually looking into groups that propagate blowing shit up. Actually trying to stop this shit from happening instead of dealing with it on a case by case basis.

redsilkphoenix
5 years ago

To help offset this horror, I offer this bit of brain bleach for those wishing to see a truly handsome beta male in his native environment:

http://aquariumfish.net/images_01/red_and_blue_male_betta_131116a2_w0480.jpg

(Alright, technically it’s a betta, not a beta, but still a good-looking male, yes?)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Isn’t terrorism also automatically a federal matter? So not leaving it up to the sympathies of local cops.

skybison
skybison
5 years ago

About what motivates these mass shooters, I thought this was a really interesting article

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303309504579181702252120052

Basically these men ” ‘collectors of injustice’ who nurture their wounded narcissism.” To preserve their egos, they exaggerate past humiliations and externalize their anger, blaming others for their frustrations. They develop violent fantasies of heroic revenge against an uncaring world.” They go on mass shootings as a form of theater to get attention for themselves and hurt a world that has wronged them (in their minds). They are mostly inspired by the orgy of “if it bleeds it leads” reporting other mass shooters get in the media, sending the message that if you too crave power and attention, grab a gun and head for a school.

Also I do want to disagree with one minor point that was made earlier: “White and male privilege and toxic masculinity seem to play a big role when combined with that (almost all school mass shooters are white males).” The male entitlement and toxic masculinity parts I agree with, but I dispute the white part. The major of mass shooters are white, but so is the majority of the US population, and the statistics I’ve seen suggest white and black people are more or less proportionately represented among mass shooters, with Asian overrepresented and Latinos underrepresented.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/

kfreed
kfreed
5 years ago

Do NOT quote Chuck C. Johnson of GotNews on ANYTHING, EVER:

“White Supremacist “Journalist” Charles C. Johnson Puts Out Death Hit on Twitter for #BlackLivesMatter Activist DeRay McKesson”

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2015/05/white-supremacist-journalist-charles-c-johnson-puts-out-death-hit-on-twitter-for-blacklivesmatter-activist-deray-mckesson/

“Chuck C. Johnson and His Neo-Nazi Friends”
Read more at http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/44406_Chuck_C._Johnson_and_His_Neo-Nazi_Friends#rW9t4Wtp8jS5Ic0v.99

NOTE: Chuck C. Johnosn is a white supremacist who’s been banned from Twitter for targeting people for harassment (with help from his white supremacist pals). Charles Johnson of the Little Green Footballs blog is NOT the same person. Much confusion arises from the similarity in names.

“Chuck C. Johnson’s Epic Drunken Racist Meltdown” (“SJW’s” – he means you, Dave; “niggers”):
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/44577_Chuck_C._Johnsons_Epic_Drunken_Racist_Meltdown

This is why I say you should be comparing notes with LGF.

Sarah
Sarah
5 years ago

My inner conspiracy theorist says they’re not kept alive specifically so we don’t learn what drives them.

Not really all that implausible. Congress bans the CDC from studying the issue of gun violence. http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetstemwedel/2015/10/01/congress-still-bans-cdc-scientists-from-studying-gun-violence/

Also, in Florida doctors are prohibited from asking the parents of young children if guns are present in the home.

*cue X-Files theme song*

kfreed
kfreed
5 years ago

@skybison:

What motivates these shooters? Here you go: Libertarians:

academia.edu: ” Chapter 20: Oath Keepers Networks With Tea Party and Patriots Introduction

This chapter examines the networking and messaging of Oath Keepers with others in the Patriot movement and the Tea Party movement. This chapter also demonstrates that the
―Patriot movement‖ is actually an extension of the Christian Right.

It is another component of the Christian Right by virtue of the similarity of ideas and the organizations that are linked to the Christian Right within the Patriot movement. The main ideas that serve to bind the Christian and the Patriot movements together are opposition to the New World Order and its concomitant Agenda21, according to the
movements‘ conspiracy theories. Belief in these twin conspiracy theories act as epistemological markers, if you will, that identify at the individual and organization levels of analysis who belongs and who does not belong in the movements.

“The SPLC noted that Patriot groups ―define themselves as opposed to the ‗New World Order,‘ engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing, or advocate or adhere to extreme antigovernment doctrines. The New World Order‖ conspiracy theory, of course, is also embedded deeply inside the Christian Right and is one of the main narratives of the movement (see Book I) and the Christian Right engage in spreading conspiracy theories that are consistent with, if not derived from, conspiracy theories emanating from the Patriot movement itself (see Chapter 14).”
https://www.academia.edu/9716371/CHAPTER_20_OATH_KEEPERS_NETWORKS_WITH_TEA_PARTY_AND_PATRIOTS

Ron Paul’s John Birch Society white supremacist ‘New World Order conspiracy theories motivate them (Ron Paul video from JBS 1998):
http://newsone.com/1754815/ron-pauls-new-world-order-conspiracy-theory-video/

And yes, there are atheists among them who appear not to understand who is actually manipulating them.

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence: Right-Wing Domestic Terrorism 2008 – 2015: The ‘Tea Party’ motivates them:
http://csgv.org/issues/guns-democracy-freedo/insurrectionism-timeline/

History Commons: white supremacist conspiracy theories motivate them: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=john_birch_society_1

ignorantianescia
ignorantianescia
5 years ago

I think it’s fair to include whiteness in the equation. A lot depends on how shootings are defined, but the type of revenge shooting that targets schools from the top of my head originated as a rather white phenomenon.

It’s also relevant that the psychologising discourse after shootings originated only when white men became common perpetrators of violence against whites. The authors who noted that observed that shooting others was seen by society as ‘rational’ for blacks but that a psychological explanation was needed when whites committed shootings. I suspect that society didn’t really view it as ‘rational’ but rather as ‘natural’ or ‘typical’, but the point remains the same.

I’ll provide some sources later, off to work soon.

ignorantianescia
ignorantianescia
5 years ago

Also, aren’t people with an East/South-east Asian background generally seen (for the moment bracketing specific racism they encounter) as more similar to white people than to black people, also in terms of education and class?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Idk about in terms of class, but the stereotypical Asian is highly educated, yeah. Er, stereotypes about Asian people include their supposed obsession with good grades. Whichever of those makes sense outside my head.

I know I crunched the numbers for a troll years ago, and as of then white males were over represented, but that was 3-4 years ago now, so idk. That was mass murders, as defined by wiki’s list of mass murders (yes, there is one), gun violence in general is probably less skewed since there really does seem to be a sense of entitlement.

Very tangentially, who of the old crew is still here? Is it just me, you Katz, and pecunium? I’ve seen Viscaria I think. But have we had a rather needed changing of the guard?

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Argenti
There have been a couple of Threads of Doom that drove away a few regulars. I still miss Kittehserf sometimes.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera
What is a Thread of Doom?

Asking for a friend.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
5 years ago

This seems minor compared to the horribleness of the shooting, but I just can’t with the fuckhead in David’s twitter feed claiming that this was “100% due to mental illness”. Why. Why again with the blame-shifting, the “normal people don’t do violent deeds” No True Scotsman thing, the absolving of toxic ideals of the blame for bad deeds, the association of violence with mental illness and the constant, constant, gleeful dehumanization of the mentally ill?

The paragraph above is probably soooo grammatically incorrect in so many ways due to the lack of a clear head on my part, but sorry notsorry for venting.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

When I read that he was allegedly targeting Christians, my first thought wasn’t that the shooter was a Muslim, or any other religion. I’m more thinking of that thick vein of hatred towards all religions that runs through Chan culture, which is not so much atheist as the worst form of nihilism.

Trust idiots like Chuck C. Johnson to try and hijack this tragedy to push their own agenda, while doubtless making that very accusation to anyone who tries to talk about gun control.

One story in the news the other day that made my blood boil was reading that the parents of one the victims in the Aurora Theatre Shootings had attempted to sue the ammo company who had supplied Holmes with much of his ammunition, over the internet FFS! They lost, and are now ordered to pay the ammo company $200k, which the company announced it will donate the settlement to a pro-gun organization.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/03/1408480/-Parents-of-Aurora-shooting-victim-ordered-to-pay-200-000-in-legal-fees-to-ammo-dealer

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

I can’t even.

This is the 45th American school shooting since Sandy Hook. I should be numb to it by now. I shouldn’t let it affect me as deeply as it did.

4chan is a terrible website full of terrible people. I should know that by now. I shouldn’t let it affect me as deeply as it does.

The American gun lobby are terrible people. I should accept that by now. I shouldn’t let it affect me as deeply as it does.

Instead, I’m sitting at my desk trying not to cry, hiding behind four monitors and pages of Excel, trying to lose myself in the beauty of the maths in order not to dwell on what just happened.

I’m normally very good at seeing past the individual human beings and concentrating on the social patterns behind them, of not fixating on people when it’s a broader social issue at fault. I’m normally good at staying positive and thinking of ways to prevent it happening in future, on focusing on how to heal society, on how to come together to make this be the last such tragedy. But today I’m sitting here trying not to cry.

It’s the smugness, the preening confidence with which everyone slides into their practised roles. The 4channers say “GO! KILL THEM! BETA UPRISING!… oh wait he was never one of us we’re all anonymous anyway and we definitely didn’t encourage him.” The MRAs say “USE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMAN!… oh wait, we don’t condone any sort of violence, don’t pin this one on us.” The gun lobby say “GUNS MAKE YOU POWERFUL! USING THEM ON OTHERS MEANS YOU’RE MANLY!… oh wait it’s the victims’ fault for not being armed.” The Right media say “HE MUST HAVE BEEN A MUSLIM THEY’RE ALL EVIL!… oh wait he wasn’t well white people aren’t all evil #notallmen.”

Everyone knew their part. Everyone was waiting for it to happen.

Fuck them all. I can’t even. Here’s a picture of two lions in love.

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/18/8b/56/188b56be087dead6a84431e95a0a4cef.jpg

Michael Lindsay
5 years ago

My mind is in three places, place one is numb, place two wants to punch things, place three wants to cry.

Help.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

One story in the news the other day that made my blood boil was reading that the parents of one the victims in the Aurora Theatre Shootings had attempted to sue the ammo company who had supplied Holmes with much of his ammunition, over the internet FFS! They lost, and are now ordered to pay the ammo company $200k, which the company announced it will donate the settlement to a pro-gun organization.

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sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Kat

Thread of Doom [noun]: a chain of comments regarding a sensitive issue that blows up into a huge argument. Usually started by a new visitor who refuses to watch their tone or apologise for anything, but sometimes some regulars take sides and fighting occurs and eventually things get said that can’t be taken back. Then someone leaves and everyone involved (except the newbie that started it) realises the shitstorm that’s just happened, with regret.

Angelique
Angelique
5 years ago

No such thing as “female gender” sex doesn’t equal gender PSA

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

I’m torn on my stance towards the shooter.

On one hand, I want him to be completly ignored amd forgotten – he was apparently looking for a sort of fame.

On the other, I do think it’s worthwhile to examine motives (and, like others, regret that he didn’t live if for only that reason).

For what it’s worth:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/01/umpqua-gunman-id-d-as-chris-harper-mercer.html

(Not a fan of The Daily Beast, but it was the first article that came up with all the links together in one place…and my husband took all the coffee this morning – it’s a cold, rainy one here on the US East Coast -, so I’m posting this while waiting for more to brew and without the aide of caffeine.)

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

@Pandapool,

yup, that gif nails it.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Michael, others in need of brain bleach –

If you like dogs, here’s a pic of our recent adoption:

http://imgur.com/dHVhP2n

If you like cats, here’s a pic of our most persnikitty (is that the right spelling? If it isn’t, it should be) cat:

http://imgur.com/P4RYIrL

If you like neither, here are some photogenic weeds / morning glories on their nission to on cover every inch of the yard:

http://imgur.com/YBYpZYx

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

Ugh, I meant to post direct links rather than those.

And mind the typos.

*eyes gurgling coffee maker*

Michael Lindsay
5 years ago

They’re weeds? They look awesome. I guess it’s a pretty arbitrary term.

Props to your persnikitty and sleepy pup.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

MOAR DOGGIE PICS:

http://i.imgur.com/8lepJlm.jpg

Because dogs like everyone by default.
At least this one does.

She’s like the opposite of a mass shooting.
I like knowing that the opposite’s out there.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Michael – They’re growing on *everything*, or at least trying to.

I’ve been letting them go where they don’t cause harm – they’re pretty and the hummingbirds like them.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera
Thanks for the definition of Thread of Doom. It’s most enlightening.

I’ll pass the info on to “my friend.”

Mieze
5 years ago

This can’t just go on. This can’t be hopeless. This will stop somehow. Right?

And I don’t completely understand, kfreed?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@mockingbird:

Your kitty is indeed most persnickety! Also very photogenic and dignified.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Happy animals. Happy flowers. Thanks!

And I’m up all night, working, petting cats, and listening to jazz and jazz DJs with mellifluous voices.

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

@Kat

Thank you, it’s been a very long night and I don’t think I can person today.

I didn’t see it coming at all… We had problems but I thought we were working them out.

Terrible day to have my heart broken. I’ll be in bed until…. Until forever, I guess.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

A weed is any plant growing in a place you don’t want it to grow.

Morning glories and their kin can definitely become invasive. They re-seed themselves prolifically. Their seeds stagger themselves, with most germinating after one winter and a few waiting until two or three or four winters to sprout.

The ones in mockingbird’s picture look like they are advancing toward a nice wooded area, which makes me nervous.

Sarah
Sarah
5 years ago

This can’t just go on. This can’t be hopeless. This will stop somehow. Right?

I don’t know. Mother Jones has pointed out that it’s been 16 years since Columbine and we’ve literally gone from being shocked at that shooting to shrugging our shoulders.

We have a president who has made calls for action, but Congress won’t work with him. Many of the Congresspeople who are there now were elected specifically to oppose him. And the article I posted in my previous comment seems to indicate that we’ve been locked into a vicious cycle wherein this happens, everyone wrings their hands, offers prayers and positive thoughts, makes speeches about how terrible it was, but we’re barred from actually *doing anything*, even to the point where a federal agency can’t research the feasibility of doing something.

But if we’re going to do something, I suggest we start by electing politicians who are willing to do something, and voting out the ones who aren’t.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Luzbelitx
Have a virtual stuffed animal–whatever shape you like–to cuddle.

You’ll be okay. Maybe not right away, but you’ll be okay.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@PoM – They actually probably came from there. They, stiltgrass, and Autumn Olives are pestilence in this area.

I hand pull the morning glories around natives / anywhere I find them in the woods, pull as much of the stiltgrass as I can manage (but, given its prolific seeding, end up focusing on giving ferns and seedlings breathing room), and pull the Autumn Olives if they’re small enough / chop them (again…and again…and again…) if they’re larger and entangled in other root systems.

The morning glories are an invasive, but at least the hummingbirds and bees like them.

The Autumn Olives…pretty trees/bushes that have lovely berries that the birds love (and poop everwhere!), but they’ll crowd out and kill almost any native – unless I want a field of scrub, they need to go.

And the stiltgrass…has no redeeming qualities. I know it was brought in to control erosion, but nothing eats it (not even the darn deer) and it crowds out any ground level plants and seedlings.

We don’t use pesticides (ok, ok – I sparingly used organocides and insecticidal soap on some of my food plants this year) or herbicides, so it’s all a slow, imperfect manual slog on 5 acres.

But we have frogs!
And toads!
And more bees than you can count!

So, there’s that.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Lulz – I missed the part about the break up.

((((((hugs)))))) if you want them.

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

Thank you, Kat and mockingbird. Hugs and stuffed animals really help! I know I’ll make it through… I just wish it didn’t hurt so damn much.

Thank you again, I’ll stay off the pc for a while now, hopefully to get some rest.

spacelawn
5 years ago

4chan: Asshole of the internet.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Hugs, Luzbelitx.

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
5 years ago

Argenti

I’m still around but I don’t seem to comment as much as I used to.