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MGTOW debate: Are older women spoiled milk, or gonorrhea-stained used cars?

This kitty just drank a woman over the age of 30
This kitty just drank a woman over the age of 30

So the fellas over on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit are having a little debate, of sorts. What unappealing inanimate object is the best metaphor for women over the dreaded age of 30? You know, elderly women.

Someone calling himself mlpl2015 goes with an old favorite: spoiled milk.

TheoryMGTOW Showerthought: "Marrying a woman in her 30s is like paying full price for a near empty bottle of rotting milk. The rest of the milk was consumed by various unknown individuals when the milk was fresh. The kicker? They did not have to pay a cent for any of it."As the old joke goes:

“The food there is terrible! And such small portions!”

Joblessguy10, mlpl2015’s main opponent in this makeshift debate, goes with a fairly shopworn metaphor himself, declaring that “older” women are like used cars, depreciating by the day. But he weirds it up with some graphic sexual details. And some racism.

joblessguy10 24 points 2 days ago Or, to compare women as objects, buying a 2005 model year Mercedes Benz S Class with wear and tear, gonnorhea stains in the back, and cum on the steering wheel, and 150K miles for the price of a fresh off the line 2016 Mercedes Benz S Class with 0 miles and 0 wear and tear. Also, Mercedes--both the car and the woman--has a low resale value and suffer depreciation. A woman will get fucked and cummed in, gets old, and comes to you. One day, in bed, she'll crave Tyrone's 13" cock. Would you allow yourself to pay even half price for a woman that's 30 and had a blast in her past? One of the reasons why I go MGTOW is because if the woman isn't attractive and fresh/very low mileage, there is no point paying for such a woman anyway. What does she have to offer you? And even if you get such am attractive woman, she's going to control your life, cheat on you, and then financially rape you. By the way, a woman doesn't have to be attractive to treat you like shit. Average looking and even fat women think they're worth full price. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. permalinksavereportgive goldreply [–]AmlanceJockey 19 points 2 days ago Also, there are two kids in the back. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]cagethepepper 13 points 1 day ago Tyrone is in the trunk.

I’ll get to the racism in a second, but my first question is: How exactly is joblessguy10 going to be paying for his brand-new Mercedes when he doesn’t have a job?

And on the metaphor itself: why is a car having sex with dudes (including the one it has stored inside of its own car body) instead of having sex with other cars, like normal cars do!

And just how bad does someone’s gonorrhea have to be that they are leaving visible stains on the upholstery? Have you guys accidentally mixed up “sex” with “David Cronenberg movies?”

Ok, the racism. Why are so many of these manosphere dudes so obsessed with the specter of hypersexualized black men with giant dicks having sex with “their” women? And then talking about this creepy fetishized fear online in a way that exposes their terror at their own perceived (or possibly quite real) sexual inadequacies?

Are fears of “race cuckolding’ really this widespread? Or is it just that the guys posting about “Tyrone” and his 13-inch cock on MGTOW message boards are the same guys who are yelling about “cuckservatives” on Twitter and The Daily Stormer?

I don’t know. I think I’m going to go watch an old David Cronenberg movie. Compared to these dudes, the man who’s been called “the King of Venereal Horror” has a subtle and healthy view of female sexuality.

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RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

Sorry, everyone. I used a terrible word (in quotation marks because it was something someone said) without thiking that it could upset people because it’s not something I said. It went, understandably, to moderation. If it’s bad, I can revise my message removing it.

Chayanov
Chayanov
4 years ago

They remind me of kids who have just learned curse words and are trying them out to get a reaction from the adults.

Binjabreel
Binjabreel
4 years ago

Backlash holds up quite well. In fact, it makes GamerGate and a couple other shit storms make perfect sense.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
4 years ago

@Juliette it’s been addressed already but neither of those are actual things which are new or on the increase, despite what the manosphere tries to convince itself and others of 😉

Antisocialite
Antisocialite
4 years ago

I get a perverse pleasure reading garbage like that from a bunch of rejected men that can’t even get a date, let alone get laid or get married. Who in the world would take advice from them?

They can tell themselves whatever they want to make themselves feel better, but the truth is far different. I know many women getting married for the first time in their 30’s and 40’s, and many others getting remarried in their 40-60s, which is far more action than any MGTOW is getting!

brooked
brooked
4 years ago

@Binjabreel

I may revisit Backlash because I’m genuinely curious what it will read like now. I’ll put on Concrete Blonde’s Bloodletting and dig up a copy.

katz
katz
4 years ago

Isn’t it more logical to get a woman who’s a year older with low mileage in like-new condition for 20% less?

…I may be doing this metaphor wrong.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

What? No references to Christmas cake?

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Ellesar | September 26, 2015 at 11:55 am
That post just makes me think of the man I had a very brief youtube ‘conversation’ with who said that he would totes fuck a 12yo girl ‘if she looked older and knew what she was doing’ because her vagina would be tight.

Okay, I agree with the rest of your post, but I want to address this “tight vagina” bullshit that this individual spouted.

As someone who is in possession of a vagina, allow me to just say this: “If it’s tight, you suck at foreplay”.

When a vagina is aroused, it expands in expectation of getting a D (Yes, even if you are having sex with another vagina owner). It also gets extremely wet, to create a natural lube. If it’s still tight when a D is put in, the owner of that D didn’t do a good enough job of arousing the person with the V.

Granted, some vagina owners do Kegel exercises to tone the muscles down near their Nether Portals to improve their D Grip, but I wouldn’t say that’s a large percentage.

As if we needed more proof that we need better sex education in schools, or that gross-ass men who go chasing 12-year-old girls need a fucking schooling in how vaginas work (preferably in prison, where they belong).

bananananana dakry
bananananana dakry
4 years ago

I just got married (for the first time) over a year ago at 42. So I guess I have the schadenfreude of mentally holding it over these algae scrapings of humanity.

And *13 inches*?! I don’t know what weird porno-fueled work they live in but my knees just clamped together. Like, forever, because my bits just started chanting ‘nope nope nope nope’ with all the fury and fervor of a religious revival.

bananananana dakry
bananananana dakry
4 years ago

I meant ‘world’, not ‘work’, but then again they kind of live in one of their own devising. So I guess autocorrect wasn’t being a *complete* asshole.

kylagb
4 years ago

For men going their own way, they are constantly spinning their wheels talking about women. I think we can all rest easy with the assurance that these guys will likely never have any substantive, loving relationships and therefore really miss out on one of the joys of life.

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

gonorrea stains in the back

But gonorrea is a microorganism, it would not be visible as stains (especially since it cannot survive well outside of the human body and wouldn’t spread like a mold).

Maybe he means there are some of these plushies in the back?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rviiBorZL._SY300_.jpg

They’re not stains, dude. You can just take them out, y’ know.

kylagb
4 years ago

Oh I love that Plushy!!

Orion
4 years ago

As someone who is in possession of a vagina, allow me to just say this: “If it’s tight, you suck at foreplay”…. If it’s still tight when a D is put in, the owner of that D didn’t do a good enough job of arousing the person with the V.

This strikes me as unnecessarily moralistic. Both men and women have personal preferences in tightness of lubrication. There’s no objective “sufficient amount” of foreplay, just the right amount for each couple.

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

Also, I thought that MGTOWs were called that because they wanted to avoid having relationships with all women, period. Why would ‘older women’ be singled out as specifically terrible when your philosophy is that all women should be avoided?

Orion
4 years ago

But gonorrea is a microorganism, it would not be visible as stains

Gonorrhea can cause a green or yellow discharge, so I suppose it might be possible to cause a “gonorrhea stain” by riding around in your car with no underwear and a severe untreated case. I have no idea whether that would be difficult to remove.

Orion
4 years ago

@catalpa,

MGTOWs don’t generally believe that avoiding women is inherently correct. They say that in our time, in our culture, avoiding women is the best option. Often, one of the reasons they say they don’t look for dates is that the available women are too old.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
4 years ago

13 inch penis would be like, “I hope I’ll never get an erection while wearing pants”.

amy
amy
4 years ago

I love how women depreciate after being with men. Speaking of femras, judgybitch has written an article called “5 things women do better than men”.

https://www.facebook.com/MUH123123/posts/1712740188937607

Bina
Bina
4 years ago

Over-30 woman’s out-of-shower thought:

MGTOW opinions on women of any age: Moronic, irrelevant, inane, or the cries for help of a man no woman would want anyway?

Orion
4 years ago

@arctic,

there is a real guy with a 13 inch penis. He was recently stopped and searched by TSA ’cause they thought he was smuggling.

Bina
Bina
4 years ago

Is there any person who actually wants something 13 inches long inside their bodies? That just sounds painful!

Not I. According to the instruction leaflet that came with my DivaCup, the average vagina is 3-4 inches long (I’m assuming in its unaroused state; aroused, it’s slightly longer and wider than usual.) Sounds about right to me. And I know that the average penis is 4-6 inches, fully erect. According to my calculations, that means the average vagina and the average penis should fit each other fairly comfortably. Can’t for the life of me figure out where this “Tyrone” guy fits in.

sunnysombrera
4 years ago

I gotta wonder why certain men keep spreading the myth that bigger is better, that women like double digit inches when it comes to dicks. If they actually asked and listened to pretty much any woman, they’d know that that’s not the case. Since most men are average size, wouldn’t those weirdos be happy that we like average sized schlongs? What’s the dealio?

Orion
4 years ago

@sunny, uninformed extrapolation, most likely. Most women who express any preference will say they prefer larger-than-average to smaller-than-average. These guys missed the memo that most of those women prefer *slightly* smaller than average.

Orion
4 years ago

I guess I should mention that the 13″ penis guy is white.

sunnysombrera
4 years ago

These guys missed the memo that most of those women prefer *slightly* smaller than average.

Do you mean slightly larger than average, perchance?

Plus I imagine that years of getting their sex ed from porn probably doesn’t help. I guess they also missed the memo that the women in porn films are faking it.

Alais
Alais
4 years ago

Also, isn’t the white guy with the thirteen-inch dick the, er, owner of the world’s largest one on record?

And has anyone told these guys that women having jobs, money of their own, places of their own, and independence from their parents after the age of eighteen means that women aren’t, ya know, for sale? Or that, I dunno, women can contribute financially to the marriage and almost certainly will contribute more money to the marriage than any of the jobless-on-purpose MGTOWs? Do they understand that if anyone will get, er, “financially raped” (can’t put enough scare quotes around that) a divorce with a MGTOW by having to pay alimony and/or child support, it’ll be the woman because she’ll almost certainly be the one who makes more money?

Some sort of username
Some sort of username
4 years ago

Weighing in on the size debate for literally no reason, anal is a thing that exists and your rear is much more expansive than the average vagina and therefore able to take larger insertions.

This sounds a lot more creepy now I’ve typed it out.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
4 years ago

@Some sort of username

Yeah, I was just about to say, any toy that’s over 10 inches in length was likely not made with a vagina in mind.

Orion
4 years ago

@sunny,

yes, switched my words. panda, yes, that’s the world record guy. Might be 14, I don’t remember.

Although honestly I suspect odds are good the real world record is some unknown guy living in a rural village in China or India.

Snowberry
Snowberry
4 years ago

Although honestly I suspect odds are good the real world record is some unknown guy living in a rural village in China or India.

That’s not what “record” means. If it wasn’t recorded for posterity, it’s not a record.

It’s certainly possible, even likely, that some “world records” aren’t really the biggest/smallest/fastest/mostest whatever, but if nobody knows about it or there’s no real proof, then it doesn’t count.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

MGTOW opinions on women of any age: Moronic, irrelevant, inane, or the cries for help of a man no woman would want anyway?

Yes.

reymohammed
reymohammed
4 years ago

Uh, Tyrone *Power*?

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@Some sort of username
I had forgotten about that, my bad.
But, if you or anyone can answer this, would something 13 inches long be considered “good” in this situation?

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

(1) Among men, the larger the penis the more status its owner gets (assuming the man owns the penis, not vice versa), and through the logic of projection they assume that women think the same. But I have often felt that if Katie offered every man the choice of having a 12-inch penis with the understanding that 90% of women wouldn’t be willing to fuck him, a lot of men would choose the huge dick anyway.

(2) I think a lot of women misunderstand the MGTOWpians. They have no intention of going their own way; what they want is a traditional relationship where the woman takes care of their house and their boner. But she shouldn’t ask for any emotional commitment from them, and she should earn her own money and not make demands of any kind on them, etc. etc. The underlying assumption is that women can’t be happy except in a relationship with a man, and therefore they can be blackmailed into being the perfect Stepford wife. “You’ll be a lonely old lady with cats, nyah, nyah, nyah.” They don’t seem to realize that the majority of women with male partners outlive those partners, so being an old lady with cats is the expected situation.
In other words, it’s a negotiation ploy where the MGTOWpians make the crucial mistake of failing to understand how little leverage they have — because they have completely mistaken views about women..

Some sort of username
Some sort of username
4 years ago

@RosaDeLava

In the situation of anal? Depends on who you’re asking but I’m in the “bigger is better” camp myself. Thirteen inches is, actually, somewhat appealing. As for vaginal I can’t speak unfortunately, being trans sucks. The general consensus seems to be that thirteen is way too much to do anything good with though.

NothingClever
NothingClever
4 years ago

“Marrying a man in his 30s is like paying full price for a container of used q-tips. Most of the q-tips were used by various unknown individuals when the box was first opened. The kicker? They did not have to pay a cent for any of it.”

–said no one ever

Nadia
Nadia
4 years ago

If only these MGTOWs would truly go their own way and stop interacting with women completely. God, it’s so obvious why women won’t go near them.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I think a lot of women misunderstand the MGTOWpians.

We don’t misunderstand. When we ask why they’re not going their own way already, we’re being facetious in order to point out that they in fact are not going their own way and don’t plan to.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

(2) I think a lot of women misunderstand the MGTOWpians. They have no intention of going their own way; what they want is a traditional relationship where the woman takes care of their house and their boner.

Okay, you’re just fucking with us now, right? Because we’ve been saying exactly that for… Years, at least. Over and over again in every friggin’ thread for much longer than I’ve been here.

We’re not stupid. “Ladybrainz” aren’t a thing.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Wow, I don’t even know how I fucked that one up. Take two.

I think a lot of women misunderstand the MGTOWpians. They have no intention of going their own way; what they want is a traditional relationship where the woman takes care of their house and their boner.

Okay, you’re just fucking with us now, right? Because we’ve been saying exactly that for… Years, at least. Over and over again in every friggin’ thread for much longer than I’ve been here.

We’re not stupid. “Ladybrainz” aren’t a thing.

Robjec
Robjec
4 years ago

Oh I want to weigh in with a medical ish perpective. Men over 10 inches have a very high rate of erectile disfunction. And due to the size it can be very painful for them to have vaginal intercourse, since that is long enough to damage the females body. So it’s actually pretty bad to be much bigger then average.

Also many of these arguments seem to say oh its because women get more lose over time and so need more to feel something, but this is galse, I mean women give birth and still feel pleasure from sex, and a baby is going to stretch someone far more then anything you have. The truth of the matter is your sexual organs are pretty elastic, and should return to their normal size after sex.

So there is a sort of medical explication for it. Sorry I couldn’t be more specific, I’m on break and don’t want to be looking up specific term/sources (because there are a fair number of related muscles and stuff. :p )

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@Some sort of username
I’ll keep that in mind. Do you think the three-foot sex toy is appealing as well?
As a person with a vagina, I can only imagine that having intercourse with someone who had a penis this long wouldn’t be particularly fun. Vaginas are, I think, about 4-6 inches.

Catalpa
Catalpa
4 years ago

I honestly believe that dudes are far more interested in the size of a dick than women are. I suspect that the size competition is just another pissing contest between men, like most things. After all, women aren’t the competition in the gender war, they’re the ball.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

I think a lot of women misunderstand the MGTOWpians. They have no intention of going their own way; what they want is a traditional relationship where the woman takes care of their house and their boner. But she shouldn’t ask for any emotional commitment from them, and she should earn her own money and not make demands of any kind on them, etc. etc. The underlying assumption is that women can’t be happy except in a relationship with a man, and therefore they can be blackmailed into being the perfect Stepford wife. “You’ll be a lonely old lady with cats, nyah, nyah, nyah.” They don’t seem to realize that the majority of women with male partners outlive those partners, so being an old lady with cats is the expected situation.
In other words, it’s a negotiation ploy where the MGTOWpians make the crucial mistake of failing to understand how little leverage they have — because they have completely mistaken views about women.

I like the way you’ve summed it up. (Especially the old lady with cats part.)

We’ve talked about this issue here before, but the MGTOWs keep saying that they’re going their own way. So until they get a new name–maybe We Hate Everyone Who Isn’t Us–we need to keep talking about how they don’t go their own way.

mockingbird
mockingbird
4 years ago

Weighing in: I, uh, know someone whose SO’s member is a hair under 8 inches long and girthy.

It can cause issues.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@orion

MGTOWs don’t generally believe that avoiding women is inherently correct. They say that in our time, in our culture, avoiding women is the best option. Often, one of the reasons they say they don’t look for dates is that the available women are too old.

So they went to the women store and it was out of women in their preferred age range?

That does sound like an insurmountable problem.

megpie71
4 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants said, at 12.23pm:

I get the feeling that when push comes to shove, many MGTOWs don’t actually want to have sex.

Which is an interesting observation. Since it leads me to thinking about the intersection of toxic masculinity and the demands of same for masculine hyper-sexuality (in the sense of “men are always supposed to be thinking about sex” and similar such requirements). Since so many of the more vocal MGTOW seem to subscribe to the most toxic version of masculinity conceivable, and then spend a lot of time defending their choice of this particular brand of masculinity, it makes sense they’re also talking an awful lot about sex (in much the same way that twelve and thirteen year old boys do – it’s a lovely idea in theory, and there’s lots of sniggering involved at the “transgressive” nature of the discussion). But the repeated themes of “sour grapes” and “hyper-pickiness” are a way of disguising either a lack of enthusiasm for the subject matter, or a complete lack of interest.

Unfortunately for them, if they’re actually honest enough to admit to being either asexual, or demisexual, they suffer a critical hit to the Masculinity (due to not being hyper-sexual enough to fit the model). So their real problem is that they’re trying to both “go their own way” and stay in the same place simultaneously. Oddly enough, this doesn’t really work out.

(Incidentally, I’m pretty sure there’s at least some MGTOW who have actually gone their own way, and have decided to discontinue their subscription to this particular variety of masculinity. Unfortunately, we don’t hear from them because they also tend to be calm enough about it that they don’t feel the need to constantly defend their choices on the internet. Pity. They’d probably be the ones most worth talking and listening to.)

Sissy
Sissy
4 years ago

13″ cock? What the– what kind of bad “erotic” fanfiction are they talking about here?

And yes, I should (sort of) know; I’ve read lots of bad fanfiction where some dude has a penis that’s like… a foot long or some change. Last one I read had a Gary Stu that had one that was ten inches long and four inches in diameter. Yes, it said that in the darn fic. (I’ll spare you all the details of said fic, because reading it made we want to toss the writer into a sex ed. class.)

…and yes, I’ve read way too much fanfiction in my time.

But seriously, what is it with these dudes comparing women to cars and thinking that every black dude is named “Tyrone” or some other name like that? That truly baffles me.