So the fellas over on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit are having a little debate, of sorts. What unappealing inanimate object is the best metaphor for women over the dreaded age of 30? You know, elderly women.
Someone calling himself mlpl2015 goes with an old favorite: spoiled milk.
As the old joke goes:
“The food there is terrible! And such small portions!”
Joblessguy10, mlpl2015’s main opponent in this makeshift debate, goes with a fairly shopworn metaphor himself, declaring that “older” women are like used cars, depreciating by the day. But he weirds it up with some graphic sexual details. And some racism.
![joblessguy10 24 points 2 days ago Or, to compare women as objects, buying a 2005 model year Mercedes Benz S Class with wear and tear, gonnorhea stains in the back, and cum on the steering wheel, and 150K miles for the price of a fresh off the line 2016 Mercedes Benz S Class with 0 miles and 0 wear and tear. Also, Mercedes--both the car and the woman--has a low resale value and suffer depreciation. A woman will get fucked and cummed in, gets old, and comes to you. One day, in bed, she'll crave Tyrone's 13" cock. Would you allow yourself to pay even half price for a woman that's 30 and had a blast in her past? One of the reasons why I go MGTOW is because if the woman isn't attractive and fresh/very low mileage, there is no point paying for such a woman anyway. What does she have to offer you? And even if you get such am attractive woman, she's going to control your life, cheat on you, and then financially rape you. By the way, a woman doesn't have to be attractive to treat you like shit. Average looking and even fat women think they're worth full price. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. permalinksavereportgive goldreply [–]AmlanceJockey 19 points 2 days ago Also, there are two kids in the back. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]cagethepepper 13 points 1 day ago Tyrone is in the trunk.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/tyronetrunk.png?resize=500%2C546&ssl=1)
I’ll get to the racism in a second, but my first question is: How exactly is joblessguy10 going to be paying for his brand-new Mercedes when he doesn’t have a job?
And on the metaphor itself: why is a car having sex with dudes (including the one it has stored inside of its own car body) instead of having sex with other cars, like normal cars do!
And just how bad does someone’s gonorrhea have to be that they are leaving visible stains on the upholstery? Have you guys accidentally mixed up “sex” with “David Cronenberg movies?”
Ok, the racism. Why are so many of these manosphere dudes so obsessed with the specter of hypersexualized black men with giant dicks having sex with “their” women? And then talking about this creepy fetishized fear online in a way that exposes their terror at their own perceived (or possibly quite real) sexual inadequacies?
Are fears of “race cuckolding’ really this widespread? Or is it just that the guys posting about “Tyrone” and his 13-inch cock on MGTOW message boards are the same guys who are yelling about “cuckservatives” on Twitter and The Daily Stormer?
I don’t know. I think I’m going to go watch an old David Cronenberg movie. Compared to these dudes, the man who’s been called “the King of Venereal Horror” has a subtle and healthy view of female sexuality.
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“Supposed” is the operative word there.
1. To my knowledge, this is the full list of well-known, active feMRAs: Christina Hoff Sommers, Cathy Young, Erin Pizzey, JudgyBitch, Kate Minter (does she even count as “Well-known” outside of her trolling here?) and the Honey Badgers. Fewer than ten.
2. If you’re talking about the nameless “Anti-feminist” women on Reddit and Twitter, 95% of them are male MRAs socking.
3. Women who hate women have existed for far, far, far longer than feminism has. Some are hyper-conservatives (often but not always religious), some are victims of internalised misogyny, some just desperately seek male approval at any cost and some are a combination of those factors.
Am I the only person who noticed a hint of pedophilia in their posts?
The racism and misogyny is obvious, but when they talk about fresh and low mileage it sounds like they’re fantasizing about statutory rape.
Not sure if that necessarily follows, but it at least proves that someone enjoys the idea of inserting over-sized objects into bodies.
@ColeYote
…T-three foot..?
I’ve seem some really large sex toys too, but I”ve never know of people using them. Which is fine if they do, but I imagine they must be the exception rather than the rule.
These guys shouldn’t feel threatened by “Tyrone” because of his penis, is what I’m saying.
@anon
That’s actually very common in the MGTOW/PUA rants. Visit 8chan if you want to see what they say when they think nobody’s looking.
Actually, don’t visit 8chan. I felt like shit for a week after going there once.
I mean, I’ve seen three-foot dildos, so obviously someone must.
I assumed people kept those around to smack burglars over the head with.
@anon & dhag
And NEVER visit 8Chan without, like, an incognito window and five thousand proxies, because it’s child porn as far as the eye can burn itself out.
That post just makes me think of the man I had a very brief youtube ‘conversation’ with who said that he would totes fuck a 12yo girl ‘if she looked older and knew what she was doing’ because her vagina would be tight. They appear to only want sex with the very very young because any other sexual experience, or sign of having lived life at all (signs of childbirth, scars, sagging, etc, etc) leads to some bizarre and fairly disgusting train of thought about her behaviour, sexual history, possible STI’s, etc.
Abusive men do this to women in relationships. This is a classic abuse pattern, to start raving about her sexual experience before him, to imply that she is dirty and diseased, that she fucked black men (if both partners are white, but quite possibly if only he is white) – this kind of wildly insecure man does seem to be absolutely terrified of black men’s sexuality (the stereotype of which he adheres to without deviation), but this is only a small aspect of what they are scared of in the realms of human sexual relationships.
MGTOW’s SHOULD GTOW, but the problem is that they do not. If they did it would take a very nasty contingent out of the dating pool, thereby making it much better for those that are left, but by the sound of it predation on ever younger women and girls seems to be their ideal solution.
The best we can do is to educate our daughters, nieces, granddaughters, younger female friends etc. Really it is just the same kind of predator that we have always warned them about – men who do not see them as people, men who sexualise innocence, who see a come on in a smile or a glance from a 14 yo. Men who see virginity as some huge trophy, and who see experienced women as dirty. We need to help young women identify these poisonous dickwads, and enable them to avoid avoid avoid.
(Aaand now I feel even more nauseous. Hooray!)
@SFHC
Yeah.. I didn’t realize it would be like that, and I honestly was paranoid for a long time afterwards. I didn’t see any nudity (granted, I didn’t click around much), but holy shit it was bad enough. Just disgusting. How can that website be allowed to exist?
@dhag85
I think that’s one of the reasons.
I remember watching something about a study about the relation between the narrowness(Is that a word?) of women’s waist and how attractive people find them, by creating 3D models of women walking. It got to a point where models with waists so thin they wouldn’t be able to have babies were considered more attractive than the models that could.
Our minds probably exagerate traits that are seen as positive to the point they are not positive at all. So the idea of a three-foot dildo might seem really cool, but the reality would be far from it.
dhag85 – ‘Spend a lot of time having sex – you become THE WORST LAY EVER.’
These men see women as fuck bags – we are not meant to have any real sexuality of our own, or pleasure that is not directly related to what a man wants. So once the bag has been used and used up (seems like we only get about 10 go’s with one careful owner!) it has become useless. Worse than that – it is permanently FILTHY and out of shape!
It is kind of funny that these men would perhaps prefer to be skinned alive by someone giving them a BJ who is inexperienced and hasn’t worked out how to avoid teeth catch!
@Ellesar
Considering these guys’ very limited knowledge of basic anatomy, maybe they think women don’t have teeth?
@SFHC and dhag85
I knew that 4chan is terrible and that 8chan is even worse, but they have actual child pornography?!
Really, how do they exist? What is the legal reason why they haven’t been shut down?
Is this real life?
@RosaDeLava
I think you’re right. In my somewhat limited experience, a picture of a very large penis is probably more interesting than the actual penis.
@RosaDeLava
I haven’t actually seen child porn on 8chan for myself (although I suppose you could debate what constitutes porn and what doesn’t – what I really mean is I didn’t see nudity), but what I did see was enough to make me never want to go there again, under any circumstances. I did read the story by Dan Olson / Foldable Human and I recommend it.
David, the guys who write this stuff are in all likelihood cuckold fetishists. They read like a damn porno, only they end with “and that’s terrible” instead of “and I’m furiously wanking.”
The second-saddest part of this (after the racism) is that these guys would, in all likelihood, be much happier if they just admitted their kink and found an outlet for it instead of claiming it’s “the thing all men fear” and writing detailed pornography based on their phobia.
@Ellessar
It seems they’re under the impression that virgins can “know what they’re doing”. Should we confiscate their copies of “50 Shades of Grey”, do you think?
@dhag85
I don’t think nudity would necessarily be bad – That is, If I saw a picture of a naked child jumping into a lake, I wouldn’t think its intention was to arouse anybody.
I think I’ve heard of this guys before. If he makes videos, it’s possible I have watched one of them. I’m going to look it up.
Someone needs to call AAA and have that entire metaphor towed.
I get the feeling that when push comes to shove, many MGTOWs don’t actually want to have sex. Look at how they sit around hyperventilating about all the negative aspects of sex: disease, unintended pregnancy, icky used vaginas and the ravages of time. If women are loathsome and malfunctioning, it gives them convenient cover for not living up to their own warped ideals of manliness. They remind me of kids faking an injury to get out of gym class.
Hands down best analogy I have ever heard or seen.
I’m curious: Have the MGTOW ever explained why a group of men supposedly going their own way spend most of their time talking about women? I remember on their forum, they used to have a keyword cloud and WOMEN was by far the largest word. That always kinda cracked me up.
I’ve read Dan Olson’s text, and I’m appaled, not only by the things he revealed, but also by the comments people left for his text.
There were people claiming that he should have reported the images (as if he would be the first person to do it, as if this alone would actually solve things)
There were people who claimed he downloaded child pornograhpy (from what I see he only took pictures of the boards)
And there were two out of the eight commentaries that said that it wasn’t pornography, or that it wasn’t that bad. One of them even thought using the word “faggot” was called for.
Brain-bleach, anyone?
@Juilette
Anti-feminist reactionaries have existed since the dawn of feminism. When I grew up in the 1980s America, the Phyllis Schlafly anti-ERA wing of the Republican Party had already kicked feminism out of the Party’s platform under Reagan. Schlafly and other anti-feminist conservatives had plenty of media coverage, it didn’t stop me from becoming a feminist. I have no idea if Susan Faludi’s 1991 book Backlash has held up, I haven’t read it in many years, but it would definitely provide you with some historical context if you’re interested.
There is no new boom of anti-feminism, MRAs and their ilk just like to fantasize that they’re achieving grand new victories against feminism that are leading to it’s demise.
Forget the new misogyny for a while, David, and enjoy the new flesh.