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MGTOW debate: Are older women spoiled milk, or gonorrhea-stained used cars?

This kitty just drank a woman over the age of 30
This kitty just drank a woman over the age of 30

So the fellas over on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit are having a little debate, of sorts. What unappealing inanimate object is the best metaphor for women over the dreaded age of 30? You know, elderly women.

Someone calling himself mlpl2015 goes with an old favorite: spoiled milk.

TheoryMGTOW Showerthought: "Marrying a woman in her 30s is like paying full price for a near empty bottle of rotting milk. The rest of the milk was consumed by various unknown individuals when the milk was fresh. The kicker? They did not have to pay a cent for any of it."As the old joke goes:

“The food there is terrible! And such small portions!”

Joblessguy10, mlpl2015’s main opponent in this makeshift debate, goes with a fairly shopworn metaphor himself, declaring that “older” women are like used cars, depreciating by the day. But he weirds it up with some graphic sexual details. And some racism.

joblessguy10 24 points 2 days ago Or, to compare women as objects, buying a 2005 model year Mercedes Benz S Class with wear and tear, gonnorhea stains in the back, and cum on the steering wheel, and 150K miles for the price of a fresh off the line 2016 Mercedes Benz S Class with 0 miles and 0 wear and tear. Also, Mercedes--both the car and the woman--has a low resale value and suffer depreciation. A woman will get fucked and cummed in, gets old, and comes to you. One day, in bed, she'll crave Tyrone's 13" cock. Would you allow yourself to pay even half price for a woman that's 30 and had a blast in her past? One of the reasons why I go MGTOW is because if the woman isn't attractive and fresh/very low mileage, there is no point paying for such a woman anyway. What does she have to offer you? And even if you get such am attractive woman, she's going to control your life, cheat on you, and then financially rape you. By the way, a woman doesn't have to be attractive to treat you like shit. Average looking and even fat women think they're worth full price. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. permalinksavereportgive goldreply [–]AmlanceJockey 19 points 2 days ago Also, there are two kids in the back. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]cagethepepper 13 points 1 day ago Tyrone is in the trunk.

I’ll get to the racism in a second, but my first question is: How exactly is joblessguy10 going to be paying for his brand-new Mercedes when he doesn’t have a job?

And on the metaphor itself: why is a car having sex with dudes (including the one it has stored inside of its own car body) instead of having sex with other cars, like normal cars do!

And just how bad does someone’s gonorrhea have to be that they are leaving visible stains on the upholstery? Have you guys accidentally mixed up “sex” with “David Cronenberg movies?”

Ok, the racism. Why are so many of these manosphere dudes so obsessed with the specter of hypersexualized black men with giant dicks having sex with “their” women? And then talking about this creepy fetishized fear online in a way that exposes their terror at their own perceived (or possibly quite real) sexual inadequacies?

Are fears of “race cuckolding’ really this widespread? Or is it just that the guys posting about “Tyrone” and his 13-inch cock on MGTOW message boards are the same guys who are yelling about “cuckservatives” on Twitter and The Daily Stormer?

I don’t know. I think I’m going to go watch an old David Cronenberg movie. Compared to these dudes, the man who’s been called “the King of Venereal Horror” has a subtle and healthy view of female sexuality.

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Jay Elmore
4 years ago

MRA/PUA logic: “Women are lying, manipulative devils! I’d explain more but I have to head out in order to Jedi mind-trick drunk women into having sex with me.”

Juilette
Juilette
4 years ago

I just want to say this first…..I really like your website.

What is really troubling, and if you can please talk about it, is the supposed number of women becoming anti feminist. And there is also a book about Feminism making men hate women. I forgot what it’s called. Something about Feminism and the sexes being a war.

A good rebuttal to these would be great to see.

scheibere
scheibere
4 years ago

As If we needed any more evidence that these men view women as possessions to be controlled…

Do men not show wear and tear too? I guess it doesn’t matter, huh? They are the owners. Their cars don’t care what they look like.

On another note, isn’t joblessguy the one who said he’s never even had a girlfriend? How can he be sure that his stereotypical images from whatever stupid media he’s consuming are accurate?

ShakeB
ShakeB
4 years ago

“or, to compare women to objects”

What are phrases where you should just stop and reconsider your life?

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

I consider myself to be about a four on the Kinsey scale, but reading shit like that quoted above pushes me closer to six temporarily.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

Is there any person who actually wants something 13 inches long inside their bodies? That just sounds painful!

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

I know this is redundant, but these guys really seem to hate themselves even more than they hate women.

They are too far up the toxic masculinity stairway to look down without feeling nauseous.

I find it disgusting, but after seeing the lengths to which they’ll go to justify their sad, sad view of the world… I feel disgusted AND a tiny bit sorry they can’t go back to being decent human beings.

Then I remember they cause way more harm to others and the world in general than to themselves, because they’re too fucking selfish to even realize they hurt themselves.

Fuck these assholes all the way down to Hell. In a cheap, used car.

scheibere
scheibere
4 years ago

@Luzbelitx

I, too, sometimes feel a little sorry for these guys that the tales of toxic masculinity have so infested their brains, and like you, I then say fuck ’em because they aren’t just hurting themselves. They actively accost and abuse strangers on the internet and pollute our society.

John Cooper Writes
4 years ago

What’s wrong with a used car? 😉

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I’ll get to the racism in a second, but my first question is: How exactly is joblessguy10 going to be paying for his brand-new Mercedes when he doesn’t have a job?

That’s one of many places where this analogy breaks down. One must buy a car and MGTOWs understand that. But they believe they’re entitled to young, sweet, conventionally attractive women who are virgins but will still behave like a porno character for them. When women like that aren’t at all interested in them and “average and even fat” women aren’t at all interested either, the rage comes.

A brand new Mercedes won’t just arrive at your doorstep. You have to work, earn money, go to the dealer, probably get credit and then make payments. Hordes of beautiful women aren’t just going to show up and throw themselves at some random guy either. They have to actually make the effort to meet people and be social and they have to do things to make themselves attractive. It doesn’t even have to be tons of money and six pack abs. It can be something like a good personality.

Setting aside the grossness of comparing people to an inanimate object, the analogy doesn’t work for MGTOW because the world is not going to bestow a new Mercedes on you just for existing as a male anymore than it’s going to bestow a harem of youthful and pretty virgins on you just for being a male. It’s more than a little scary that they feel more entitled to human beings than they do inanimate objects though.

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

@ AnAndreja

“I consider myself to be about a four on the Kinsey scale, but reading shit like that quoted above pushes me closer to six temporarily.”

I’m fully convinced that these men plan on going their own way by convincing every woman on the planet that their either better off gay or single.

Nop
Nop
4 years ago

To me, the funniest thing about MGTOW conversations like these is that they think they’re fooling anyone into believing that they get to choose any women at all, & that it’s not obvious to everyone on the planet that they’re involuntarily celibate.

Kreator
Kreator
4 years ago

“Financially rape you” T_T

“Treat you like shit” = not being 100% your slave, right?

I wonder whether there is some way to bring these guys down from their nube de pedos (fart cloud, as we say down here when dealing with self-deluded individuals), or if at this point they are way too high up there to reach them. Um… the Ludovico technique, perhaps?

sn0rkmaiden
4 years ago

Let me guess, Joblessguy doesn’t have a girlfriend because all the girls reject him for being ‘too nice’? Nothing screams ‘nice guy’ like comparing women to disposable objects.

Why can’t Joblessguy just skip off into the sunset by himself and live happily and without bitterness ever after? (I already know the answer to that)

mrex
mrex
4 years ago

Ug. *they’re better off either gay or single.

Kreator
Kreator
4 years ago

PS: I accidentally posted with a work account, please delete it!

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

@Juliette

Feminism is not ‘making men hate women.’ Misogyny has been around for a long time. Check out Misogyny: The World’s Oldest Prejudice by Jack Holland.

Casually
Casually
4 years ago

Why is it that MRAs and MGTOWs fear women with experience and maturity? Perhaps, they fear their own lack of experience and immaturity will be exposed. It just saddens and infuriates me that these jerks can’t see women as humans. It occurs to me that the life of and average MGTOW/MRA is one of self inflicted loneliness, self-loathing, delusion, and insecurity mixed with anger and rage. They are self-scared assholes tilting at windmills. If it weren’t for their constant misogynist, racist, and all around shitty behavior, they might elicit pity instead of well deserved scorn.

Also, sorry redundant.

dhag85
4 years ago

Spend a lot of time cooking – you become a good cook.
Spend a lot of time playing videogames – you become a skilled gamer.
Spend a lot of time in your profession – you become an experienced professional.
Spend a lot of time studying – you become well-read.
Spend a lot of time practicing tennis – you become a better tennis player.

Spend a lot of time having sex – you become THE WORST LAY EVER.

/pua logic

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

@scheibere

I feel you… If they actually “went their own way” already, and just be miserable all by themselves, I could feel sorry for them.

But they go out of their own way to harm people and that’s inexcusable.

They are also massive hypocrites and entitled man babies, which helps close the deal…

@John

Haha, you got me there! Nothing at all, of course, only these guys seem to consider it below themselves, so it serves them well 😛

I’m a proud owner of a bicycle, and use public transport a lot. A cheap, used car would solve many of my problems, if only I could afford it.

Or, you know, trick some beta into buying it for me ????

@Kreator

Nube de Pedos!! That’s the only place MGTOWS actually go all by themselves.

We should make a movie about them: A Walk In The Clouds of Farts.

http://img.spacepix.in/film/2015/9/A-Walk-in-the-Clouds-1995.jpg

Bacon
Bacon
4 years ago

The milk is grapes right? And the grapes are sour?

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

Is there any person who actually wants something 13 inches long inside their bodies? That just sounds painful!

I mean, I’ve seen three-foot dildos, so obviously someone must.

dhag85
4 years ago

@Bacon

Haha. Spoiled milk is totally different from sour grapes because reasons! That’s actually really funny. They literally just changed the words.

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

@Juliette

Sorry, I missed your post earlier!

Have you checked the Confused Cats Against Feminism? There’s a link on the side bar, and it’s David’s take on Women Against Feminism.

It’s cute and fun and also works as brain bleach!

http://confusedcatsagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/image/103296557951

Luzbelitx
4 years ago

The milk is grapes right? And the grapes are sour?

Yes! But remember: lemons are bitter!!

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

What is really troubling, and if you can please talk about it, is the supposed number of women becoming anti feminist. And there is also a book about Feminism making men hate women. I forgot what it’s called. Something about Feminism and the sexes being a war.

“Supposed” is the operative word there.

1. To my knowledge, this is the full list of well-known, active feMRAs: Christina Hoff Sommers, Cathy Young, Erin Pizzey, JudgyBitch, Kate Minter (does she even count as “Well-known” outside of her trolling here?) and the Honey Badgers. Fewer than ten.

2. If you’re talking about the nameless “Anti-feminist” women on Reddit and Twitter, 95% of them are male MRAs socking.

3. Women who hate women have existed for far, far, far longer than feminism has. Some are hyper-conservatives (often but not always religious), some are victims of internalised misogyny, some just desperately seek male approval at any cost and some are a combination of those factors.

anon
anon
4 years ago

Am I the only person who noticed a hint of pedophilia in their posts?

The racism and misogyny is obvious, but when they talk about fresh and low mileage it sounds like they’re fantasizing about statutory rape.

dhag85
4 years ago

I mean, I’ve seen three-foot dildos, so obviously someone must.

Not sure if that necessarily follows, but it at least proves that someone enjoys the idea of inserting over-sized objects into bodies.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@ColeYote
…T-three foot..?
I’ve seem some really large sex toys too, but I”ve never know of people using them. Which is fine if they do, but I imagine they must be the exception rather than the rule.
These guys shouldn’t feel threatened by “Tyrone” because of his penis, is what I’m saying.

dhag85
4 years ago

@anon

That’s actually very common in the MGTOW/PUA rants. Visit 8chan if you want to see what they say when they think nobody’s looking.

Actually, don’t visit 8chan. I felt like shit for a week after going there once.

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

I mean, I’ve seen three-foot dildos, so obviously someone must.

I assumed people kept those around to smack burglars over the head with.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

@anon & dhag

And NEVER visit 8Chan without, like, an incognito window and five thousand proxies, because it’s child porn as far as the eye can burn itself out.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

That post just makes me think of the man I had a very brief youtube ‘conversation’ with who said that he would totes fuck a 12yo girl ‘if she looked older and knew what she was doing’ because her vagina would be tight. They appear to only want sex with the very very young because any other sexual experience, or sign of having lived life at all (signs of childbirth, scars, sagging, etc, etc) leads to some bizarre and fairly disgusting train of thought about her behaviour, sexual history, possible STI’s, etc.

Abusive men do this to women in relationships. This is a classic abuse pattern, to start raving about her sexual experience before him, to imply that she is dirty and diseased, that she fucked black men (if both partners are white, but quite possibly if only he is white) – this kind of wildly insecure man does seem to be absolutely terrified of black men’s sexuality (the stereotype of which he adheres to without deviation), but this is only a small aspect of what they are scared of in the realms of human sexual relationships.

MGTOW’s SHOULD GTOW, but the problem is that they do not. If they did it would take a very nasty contingent out of the dating pool, thereby making it much better for those that are left, but by the sound of it predation on ever younger women and girls seems to be their ideal solution.

The best we can do is to educate our daughters, nieces, granddaughters, younger female friends etc. Really it is just the same kind of predator that we have always warned them about – men who do not see them as people, men who sexualise innocence, who see a come on in a smile or a glance from a 14 yo. Men who see virginity as some huge trophy, and who see experienced women as dirty. We need to help young women identify these poisonous dickwads, and enable them to avoid avoid avoid.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

(Aaand now I feel even more nauseous. Hooray!)

dhag85
4 years ago

@SFHC

Yeah.. I didn’t realize it would be like that, and I honestly was paranoid for a long time afterwards. I didn’t see any nudity (granted, I didn’t click around much), but holy shit it was bad enough. Just disgusting. How can that website be allowed to exist?

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@dhag85
I think that’s one of the reasons.
I remember watching something about a study about the relation between the narrowness(Is that a word?) of women’s waist and how attractive people find them, by creating 3D models of women walking. It got to a point where models with waists so thin they wouldn’t be able to have babies were considered more attractive than the models that could.
Our minds probably exagerate traits that are seen as positive to the point they are not positive at all. So the idea of a three-foot dildo might seem really cool, but the reality would be far from it.

Ellesar
Ellesar
4 years ago

dhag85 – ‘Spend a lot of time having sex – you become THE WORST LAY EVER.’

These men see women as fuck bags – we are not meant to have any real sexuality of our own, or pleasure that is not directly related to what a man wants. So once the bag has been used and used up (seems like we only get about 10 go’s with one careful owner!) it has become useless. Worse than that – it is permanently FILTHY and out of shape!

It is kind of funny that these men would perhaps prefer to be skinned alive by someone giving them a BJ who is inexperienced and hasn’t worked out how to avoid teeth catch!

dhag85
4 years ago

@Ellesar

Considering these guys’ very limited knowledge of basic anatomy, maybe they think women don’t have teeth?

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@SFHC and dhag85
I knew that 4chan is terrible and that 8chan is even worse, but they have actual child pornography?!
Really, how do they exist? What is the legal reason why they haven’t been shut down?
Is this real life?

dhag85
4 years ago

@RosaDeLava

I think you’re right. In my somewhat limited experience, a picture of a very large penis is probably more interesting than the actual penis.

dhag85
4 years ago

@RosaDeLava

I haven’t actually seen child porn on 8chan for myself (although I suppose you could debate what constitutes porn and what doesn’t – what I really mean is I didn’t see nudity), but what I did see was enough to make me never want to go there again, under any circumstances. I did read the story by Dan Olson / Foldable Human and I recommend it.

viviennemarks
4 years ago

David, the guys who write this stuff are in all likelihood cuckold fetishists. They read like a damn porno, only they end with “and that’s terrible” instead of “and I’m furiously wanking.”

The second-saddest part of this (after the racism) is that these guys would, in all likelihood, be much happier if they just admitted their kink and found an outlet for it instead of claiming it’s “the thing all men fear” and writing detailed pornography based on their phobia.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@Ellessar
It seems they’re under the impression that virgins can “know what they’re doing”. Should we confiscate their copies of “50 Shades of Grey”, do you think?

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

@dhag85
I don’t think nudity would necessarily be bad – That is, If I saw a picture of a naked child jumping into a lake, I wouldn’t think its intention was to arouse anybody.
I think I’ve heard of this guys before. If he makes videos, it’s possible I have watched one of them. I’m going to look it up.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

That’s one of many places where this analogy breaks down.

Someone needs to call AAA and have that entire metaphor towed.

I get the feeling that when push comes to shove, many MGTOWs don’t actually want to have sex. Look at how they sit around hyperventilating about all the negative aspects of sex: disease, unintended pregnancy, icky used vaginas and the ravages of time. If women are loathsome and malfunctioning, it gives them convenient cover for not living up to their own warped ideals of manliness. They remind me of kids faking an injury to get out of gym class.

dhag85
4 years ago

They remind me of kids faking an injury to get out of gym class.

Hands down best analogy I have ever heard or seen.

tesla
tesla
4 years ago

I’m curious: Have the MGTOW ever explained why a group of men supposedly going their own way spend most of their time talking about women? I remember on their forum, they used to have a keyword cloud and WOMEN was by far the largest word. That always kinda cracked me up.

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
4 years ago

I’ve read Dan Olson’s text, and I’m appaled, not only by the things he revealed, but also by the comments people left for his text.
There were people claiming that he should have reported the images (as if he would be the first person to do it, as if this alone would actually solve things)
There were people who claimed he downloaded child pornograhpy (from what I see he only took pictures of the boards)
And there were two out of the eight commentaries that said that it wasn’t pornography, or that it wasn’t that bad. One of them even thought using the word “faggot” was called for.

Brain-bleach, anyone?

brooked
brooked
4 years ago

@Juilette

What is really troubling, and if you can please talk about it, is the supposed number of women becoming anti feminist.

Anti-feminist reactionaries have existed since the dawn of feminism. When I grew up in the 1980s America, the Phyllis Schlafly anti-ERA wing of the Republican Party had already kicked feminism out of the Party’s platform under Reagan. Schlafly and other anti-feminist conservatives had plenty of media coverage, it didn’t stop me from becoming a feminist. I have no idea if Susan Faludi’s 1991 book Backlash has held up, I haven’t read it in many years, but it would definitely provide you with some historical context if you’re interested.

There is no new boom of anti-feminism, MRAs and their ilk just like to fantasize that they’re achieving grand new victories against feminism that are leading to it’s demise.

loquora
4 years ago

Forget the new misogyny for a while, David, and enjoy the new flesh.

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