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Roosh V: “Women Must Have Their Behavior And Decisions Controlled By Men.”

Hey Ladies! This man wants to be king of your castle
Hey Ladies! This man wants to be king of your castle

The repulsive pickup guru and wannabe philosopher of “neomasculinity” Roosh Valizadeh has long made it clear that he has a problem with women making decisions about their own lives, whether that decision is picking a college major — or saying “no” to sex with him.

In one notorious post, he explained to his readers that, as he sees it, a woman’s “no” pretty much never means “no.” Only if she uses the magic word “stop” does he stop. But he doesn’t think she really has a right to use that word, because, in his mind, once a woman “gives” him an erection, she owes it to him to finish the job.

“A man’s nut is sacred,” he wrote, “and for her to impede that should be criminal. I’m serious.”

Given all this, it perhaps should not come as a shock to hear that Roosh thinks women should have their right to make decisions taken away from them altogether, not just when he’s trying to get his “nut.”

In a blog post with the blunt title “Women Must Have Their Behavior And Decisions Controlled By Men,” Roosh sets forth his thesis:

After a long period in society of women having unlimited personal freedom to pursue life as they wish, they have shown to consistently fail in making the right decisions that prevent their own harm and the harm of others. Systems must now be put in place where a woman’s behavior is monitored and her decisions subject to approval of a male relative or guardian who understands what’s in her best interests better than she does herself.

As Roosh sees it, the whole “woman having control over their own lives” experiment has failed, and it is time to return to the good old-fashioned patriarchy that had previously served us so well. In this golden age, he writes, a woman

was not allowed to study any trivial topic she wanted, sleep with any man who caught her fancy, or uproot herself and travel the world because she wanted to “find herself.”

He’s really stuck on this whole women-choosing-their-own-college-majors thing.

And he’s also deeply offended by a woman’s right to take sexy selfies, interact with men in ways he does not approve of, watch TV shoes he doesn’t like, and, of course, with her ability to control what food goes in her mouth.

When a female lacks any urgent demands upon her survival, what behavior does she pursue? Obsessively displaying her half-naked body on the internet, flirting with men solely for attention, becoming addicted to corporate-produced entertainment, and over-indulging in food until her body shape is barely human. …

Once you give a woman personal freedom, like we have in the Western world, she enslaves herself to one of numerous vices and undertakes a rampage of destruction to her body and those who want to be a meaningful part of her life.

 

Never mind that men do all these things too, and that men in the US are actually more likely than women to be overweight or obese. Maybe men need to have their rights to make decisions about their own lives taken from them as well?

Roosh is also angry that women get to choose when they get pregnant, whom they marry, and whom they vote for — invariably choosing the candidate “who is more handsome and [who] promises unsustainable freebies that accelerate the decline of her country.”

Really? When I look at politicians in this country, “handsome” is not really the first word that comes to mind.

But never mind, because to Roosh this is all proof that a women’s right to make significant decisions about her life and the world should be taken away from her and handed over to the nearest man. Pretty much literally.

Men, on average, make better decisions than women. If you take this to be true, which should be no harder to accept than the claim that lemons are bitter, why is a woman allowed to make decisions at all without first getting approval from a man who is more rational and levelheaded than she is?

Lemons are sour, not bitter. But let’s ignore this little glitch in his logic and continue on,

So which men get to make decisions for women? As Roosh sees it, there are two possible ways his plan could work.

I propose two different options for protecting women from their obviously deficient decision making. The first is to have a designated male guardian give approval on all decisions that affect her well-being. Such a guardian should be her father by default, but in the case a father is absent, another male relative can be appointed or she can be assigned one by charity organizations who groom men for this purpose, in a sort of Boy’s Club for women.

She must seek approval by her guardian concerning diet, education, boyfriends, travel, friends, entertainment, exercise regime, marriage, and appearance, including choice of clothing. A woman must get a green light from her guardian before having sex with any man, before wearing a certain outfit, before coloring her hair green, and before going to a Spanish island for the summer with her female friends.

Roosh’s second “option” is just as flesh-crawlingly creepy.

A second option for monitoring women is a combination of rigid cultural rules and sex-specific laws. Women would not be able to attend university unless the societal need is urgent where an able-minded man could not be found to fill the specific position. Women would not be able to visit establishments that serve alcohol without a man present to supervise her consumption. Parental control software on electronic devices would be modified for women to control and monitor the information they consume. Credit card and banking accounts must have a male co-signer who can monitor her spending. Curfews for female drivers must be enacted so that women are home by a reasonable hour. Abortion for women of all ages must be signed off by her guardian, in addition to prescriptions for birth control.

Welcome to 1984, ladies! Big Brother will be watching you! Or perhaps your own big brother, if dad’s not available.

While Roosh acknowledges that “my proposals are undoubtedly extreme on the surface and hard to imagine implementing,” he thinks they’re necessary to protect Western Culture from the barbarians.

The barbarians, in Roosh’s scenario, are all those brown people from other countries who are entering our country.

Allowing women unlimited personal freedom has so affected birth rates in the West that the elite insists on now allowing importation of millions of third world immigrants from democratically-challenged nations that threaten the survival of the West.

Roosh declares that he’s making “these sincere recommendations not out of anger” but because they would be the best thing for Western Women, including the women in his own family. “They would not like it, surely,” he writes, “but due to the fact that I’m male and they’re not, my analytical decision-making faculty is superior to theirs .. .”

I’m not sure many people are going to be agreeing with you on that, dude. Your “analytical decision-making faculty” is pretty much shit.

Those who like to pretend that Roosh isn’t as terrible a person as he so clearly is may assume that he is being “satirical” here, as they said about his at-least-half-if-not-three-quarters serious proposal to supposedly end rape by making it legal on private property.

But these proposals are entirely consistent with the reactionary, misogynistic worldview Roosh has set forth in countless previous posts. Most of the commenters on his site, last I checked, were taking this post seriously, many of them agreeing with him.

And if that isn’t enough to convince you, Roosh himself states, in the top comment of his own post, that

this article is not satire in any way. I firmly stand behind the recommendations I made.

We can only hope that the increasingly blatant evidence of Roosh’s repugnant extremism ends up alienating his more casual readers, those who’ve somehow convinced themselves that his “teachings” simply offer awkward men “self-improvement” tips to help them navigate the dating world. Because he’s not a self-help guru; he’s a reactionary ideologue and rape-enabler with increasingly obvious neo-Nazi sympathies, pushing his own misogynistic brand of far-right hate.

Let’s do what we can to grease his inevitable slide into irrelevance.

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jbgarner58
5 years ago

I’m disgusted. Not surprised, no, because this is par for the course.

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

Emmm… isn’t he one of those brown people? And doesn’t he claim to have engaged in the kind of behavior that could create more of them, especially in allegedly white enclaves like Iceland and Poland?

ShakeB
ShakeB
5 years ago

Not even worth throwing a beer on. He’s that low.

Anne
Anne
5 years ago

Why is that excuse for a human being “allowed” to crab on the internet? Hint: “Democracy” and “Free speech” have something to do with it. How come that he can’t realize that those also apply to women????

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

Really Roosh? First you try to claim you invented the Red Pill, now you’re claiming you invented the patriarchy!?

justlikeheaven
justlikeheaven
5 years ago

I… He really cant be that stupid right?

justlikeheaven
justlikeheaven
5 years ago

Then again his “disguise” was to wear a bad wig so Roosh is probably just that dumb.

dhag85
5 years ago

Calling other countries “democratically challenged” while advocating complete demolition of democracy in your own country. How’s that analytical decision-making faculty working out for ya?

Nerag
Nerag
5 years ago

That isn’t 1984, it is 1784.

Nerag
Nerag
5 years ago

Its getting harder and harder to tell the difference between Roosh and an Onion article.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

dhag – Because women aren’t really people, obvs. /s

Carterg
Carterg
5 years ago

A) Roosh is supposedly Muslim

B) There are certain movements in the Islamic world that posess the same view of gender relations

C) Roosh is from Washington D.C.

Anyone want to start betting on how long before we see an Islamic State, Taliban, or Boko Haram propaganda video with an “al-Washingtoni” railing against degenerate western feminism?

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Roosh is so level headed that he gets upset that he has to embrace basic hygiene like wiping his own ass to get laid. He’s so rational that he doesn’t know the difference between bitter and sour and doesn’t know that a regime and a regimen are not the same.

Also, research consistently shows a strong positive correlation between women gaining rights and opportunities and economies growing and industrializing. Wouldn’t a rational and level headed person pay more attention to the numbers than to his own bigotries?

It looks like the only person who is incapable of making their decisions here is Roosh himself.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I have no words strong enough to describe how much of a slimeball Roosh is. Just… Ugh. I hope he steps in all the Legos. And never interacts with another human being again.

Ashley
5 years ago

He just needs a good dominating woman to show him who’s boss. *Cracks whip*

But in all seriousness, it’s concerning how delusional and deranged he is.

Ari Agbabian
5 years ago

I find it amazing that these gentlemen refer to their philosophy as the red pill. Their world view can actually only be described as naive. People such as Roosh subscribe to these views not because they are hardened realists but rather because the advancement of civilization terrifies them and they find themselves in dire need to grasp onto some sort of comforting fairy tale from centuries past.

In the end as odious as their views are, they can only be seen as very, very VERY amusing.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

What if dad disagrees with Roosh about what foods his adult daughter is allowed to eat and what she’s allowed to study?

zblongladder
5 years ago

This is simultaneously the most disgusting and least surprising article I’ve read, well, possibly ever. Pretty much Roosh’s entire life’s work distilled to its pure, putrid essence.

modmyst
5 years ago

The hatred has rotted his brain. Now I know what galvanized the Montrealer to throw her drink.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

> Says that “brown people from democratically-challenged countries” will cause the fall of the West.

> Suggests tactics used by religious extremists from Middle-Eastern countries (who are people of color) use to control women and everything they do, thus robbing them the ability to make their own decisions or vote, and thus, making it so they don’t get a democracy even over themselves.

His irony receptors must be broken.

Men, on average, make better decisions than women. If you take this to be true, which should be no harder to accept than the claim that lemons are bitter,

So, it’s pretty hard to accept then? Because lemons aren’t bitter. They’re sour. (I know David pointed it out, but bad analogy is bad.)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

She must seek approval by her guardian concerning diet, education, boyfriends, travel, friends, entertainment, exercise regime, marriage, and appearance, including choice of clothing.

Yes, I’m sure men will be volunteering in droves to micromanage thousands of trivial decisions throughout the day. “Can I eat this apple? Can I watch this TV show? OK for me to put on this sweater? Can I look out the window? Can I stand over here? How about here? Should I part my hair on the left or right? What do I wear when it rains?”

Who has the time and energy to oversee someone else’s life to that degree? That would be so impractical and annoying and exhausting.

freemage
5 years ago

Secular sharia law. That’s what this boils down to.

bvh
bvh
5 years ago

@Ashley
I’ve been convinced he’s an amoral conman who doesn’t even believe his BS, willing to scam any MRA fool for a buck.

His forum is holding forth about the poor oppressed(according to him) Waking Life soon to be ex-coffee shop owners:

rooshvforum.com/thread-50547.html

FYI: this goon has done his best to make reading his forum proxy proof. But it wasn’t enough, heh…..

jillhorton
5 years ago

There is so much wrong with everything Roosh wrote that I can’t get past the cognitive dissonance with how reality even works to formulate any response other than “fuck him sideways with a chainsaw”, which honestly isn’t a reasoned response so much as it is a knee jerk reaction to anyone not employing me trying to tell me what to do.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
5 years ago

Huh. That sounds like a really tedious job, monitoring a woman’s every choice. I suppose the guys “groomed” for this purpose would probably be working in some sort of call center, receiving texts, chats, and phone calls from their monitorees every day.

All day every day:

Woman: *selfie, sends to guardian* Is this outfit acceptable?
Guardian: Hm, I’m not sure that belt really goes with those shoes. Try again.
Woman: I’d like to go to the grocery store. Can I leave the apartment?
Guardian: Did you remember to brush your hair and teeth, and feed the cats? Do you have your wallet and keys? Is the stove off?
Woman: Should I get the green apple or the red apple?
Guardian: One minute while I look up the caloric difference on these please…
Woman: I’d like to sleep with this guy *takes picture*
Guardian: Does he even lift, bro?

I mean, even the most tedious of assholes has got to get bored of this sooner or later.

loquora
5 years ago

Well, that was gross. I feel gross for having read it. Gross.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

On the idea of them approving guys for women to sleep with: Who the fuck would they even approve of? Men of this particular mindset are so goddamned territorial that they’d never let another man near any women they perceive to be “theirs”.

Shit, this could kill off the human race, if you think about it!

A Land Whale
A Land Whale
5 years ago

So, women have had, what, a whopping 40 to 50 years of “total freedom” (lol) and we’ve “completely fucked up” but men have been running (and ruining) the show for MILLIONS of years and WE are the ones who deserve to have our decision making capabilities away?

guest
guest
5 years ago

‘When I look at politicians in this country, “handsome” is not really the first word that comes to mind.’

Well I don’t know, Obama is pretty handsome. And I’ve heard the argument that Warren Harding, the first president elected after women won the right to vote, at least partly won on looks.

A Land Whale
A Land Whale
5 years ago

Anybody else remember his whiny little dingleberry post about how he’s so sad and lonely because no one will love him and take care of his house for him? He thinks this will change if convinces everyone that women need to be told what to do….but even if men had total say, I don’t think anyone would elect to have a woman near that shitfuck! Even under Sharia, men have more sense and women have more freedom than that!

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@guest, so what you’re saying is, “women vote based on looks” isn’t a new thing? 😉

Of course if Roosh had to select from female candidates he would be basing that decision primarily on looks. The projection is really becoming tedious.

guest
guest
5 years ago

@Fnoicby hahaha good point…. Oh, and have we not just heard something similar in the news recently?

http://jezebel.com/dalai-lama-a-female-dalai-lama-must-be-attractive-oth-1732350732

anemonerosie
5 years ago

I find it really interesting that when Roosh says

“When a female lacks any urgent demands upon her survival, what behavior does she pursue? Obsessively displaying her half-naked body on the internet, flirting with men solely for attention, becoming addicted to corporate-produced entertainment, and over-indulging in food until her body shape is barely human. …”

I relate to those. Those were all activities that I engaged in after my SA to try to numb out. The bitter irony being, of course, that he’s a rapist and thus perpetuating that same cycle.

Hank_Says
5 years ago

I already knew R* was a rape advocate. What I didn’t quite realise was that he is in fact a tiny, bawling child. A stunted, spoiled little gradeschooler ranting and raving about having to share the Xbox and throwing a shit-fit at the slightest hint of not getting a treat he believes he was promised. But, of course, he’s orders of magnitude worse than that, if he’s the least bit sincere about forcing himself on women who correctly decide they’re repulsed by him (and he’s given us literally no choice but to trust that he would. Again).

What these ultra-fuckity-manly-men(TM) continually fail to realise (or do realise but don’t care because they’re selfish, mindless idiots) is that their PUA rhetoric reduces men to selfish, mindless idiots as much as it reduces women to mobile orifices. It’s a real burqa mentality: “we can’t control ourselves, so don’t put us in a position where we might have to, because we’ll fail and it will be *all your fault*”. Like so much of what R* and his fellow dick-worshippers say, this attitude is a grievous insult to human beings of either sex and potentially very dangerous to women.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

I don’t know about the lemons but *someone’s* certainly bitter. Who knew treating women like shit would end with a man being alone right as he’s ageing out of the bar and club scene?

If it wasn’t for the reprehensible bollock-chunder he spews all over the internet, I’d feel sorry for this nasty fuck. Imagine how it must feel to be attracted to women and yet hate their guts, to find your “conquests” growing increasingly meaningless as your “game” fails to trap a woman into being your live-in servant/sex slave, to start suspecting that maybe there’s something all wrong in your approach and now you’ve left it too late and filled yourself with too much bile to ever be able to function in a long-term relationship.

Ahhhh. Now I feel better, imagining his abject misery.

elfkat
5 years ago

Right now men kill more women because of domestic violence if he got his way, I could see those stats changing rapidly. There are knives in kitchens

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

Need I point out that Roosh hasn’t exactly demonstrated good decision making himself during the last decade or so?

His desperate cries for attention are getting more and more silly, how much longer will his fans put up with this? When his blog traffic finally dries up, along with his book sales, he’ll be up shit creek without a paddle.

Sissy
Sissy
5 years ago

Off-topic: Finally got my net back after randomly poofing. Turns out that my house had a bad cable. Hadn’t had net at my house since last Monday.

Now, on-topic: The HELL? I’m not trying to live my life like I’m in Fifty Shades of Brown, dude. Go step in all the legos, like Catalpa said. Yeesh, reading that made me want to take a long shower. *shudders*

CCD
CCD
5 years ago

Huh… the rapist who is proposing absolute control over women’s entire lives calls other nations “democratically-challenged”.

What was that he said about being more rational than women? If Rapist Roosh’s level of rationality is the best we have, we are so very screwed.

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

Yes, I’m sure men will be volunteering in droves to micromanage thousands of trivial decisions throughout the day. “Can I eat this apple? Can I watch this TV show? OK for me to put on this sweater? Can I look out the window? Can I stand over here? How about here? Should I part my hair on the left or right? What do I wear when it rains?”

Who has the time and energy to oversee someone else’s life to that degree? That would be so impractical and annoying and exhausting.

To be fair I do know people who do exactly that. But that’s because they are kinky and for most the whole 24/7 Dominant/submissive relationship is a fantasy and very rarely a reality.

foxkit
foxkit
5 years ago

Men, on average, make better decisions than women. If you take this to be true, which should be no harder to accept than the claim that lemons are bitter, why is a woman allowed to make decisions at all without first getting approval from a man who is more rational and levelheaded than she is?comment image
Disclaimer: not actually advocating for arson. :p

megpie71
5 years ago

I’d be interested in knowing where he sets the beginning of this “long period” – I mean, on the one hand, he could be referring to the sudden rush of women into the workforce at the beginning of the 1920s (which means his personal definition is around ninety years), but I suspect he’s much more likely to be referring to the end of the 1960s through beginning of the 1970s, which means he’s looking at less than fifty years. Which is not “long” on historical scales.

Also, I feel he may have been a wee bit misled about the nature of the earlier patriarchy back in the pre-suffrage years – women were not meek little creatures saying “yes” and “amen” to their fathers, brothers, husbands and other male relatives. Instead, they were highly active, involved in an extremely physical process of keeping house (I really recommend finding a copy of “Mrs Beeton” if you can – the detail it goes into with regards to how household chores should be performed is a pretty good indicator of where a lot of the household effort went) and also the extremely physical process of bearing and raising children, which takes a fairly hefty physical toll on the body.

As for being micro-managed by their male “owners”? Largely didn’t happen, because micro-managing someone is exhausting, and fussy, and ideally sets up the sort of dumb rebellion which goes along the lines of “if you don’t act like I’m capable of thinking, then I won’t either” – where every single little decision is referred to the person “in charge” to the point where they’re swamped under the cognitive load, and things stop being done. It’s easy to see Roosh doesn’t share his life with anyone else.

(Incidentally, that sort of micro-managing “style” tends to collapse shortly after the first day of missed meals, the first week of incomplete laundry, and the first month of an empty larder. Thinking for two or more people is hard – just ask any single parent).

But the other main reason it didn’t happen is because the male members of a household were largely kept in ignorance of the details of how the household was run. This was “women’s work”. Incidentally, there’s a reason why one of the standard sit-com jokes is putting a man in charge of “women’s work” for a day/week – it’s a demonstration of just how much skill and knowledge were (and still are) required to keep a household running. A demonstration, if you will, of just how much the patriarchy hurts men, too – because they don’t know these basic skills (and quite a few men will attempt to remain in wilful ignorance of them for as long as possible), while the vast majority of women learn them as a matter of course, growing up (if a woman doesn’t know basic housework skills, it’s generally a marker of a background at the socio-economic extremes). So women are actually better equipped for solo survival in a social environment than men are.

So I think the best thing to be done here is basically to pat Mr V on his head, say “that’s nice, dear”, and let him get on with his life in splendid solitude.

Numenaster
Numenaster
5 years ago

So basically, he wants to recreate Saudi Arabia. And for Roosh, that could be a very attractive prospect, IF he were one of the bazillion princes that get a huge stipend to study abroad. Then his trips to other countries could just be financed out of his pocket money. He’d be free of the burden of organizing seminars, doing publicity, moving the seminar after the publicity reaches too wide an audience and the venue cancels your contract…

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

I would love to know what this reeky spur-galled clotpole was like as a kid. Seriously, I would love to talk to his family and ask them if he was a dead-eyed misanthrope when he was, like 5.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’m not sure why a PUA would want to keep women away from alcohol. Isn’t PUA based on taking advantage of drunk women? I guess now that he’s too old to be successful in the club scene, he doesn’t want any other dudes to take advantage of women. It’s the PUA version of the “if I can’t have you, no one can!” trope. Talk about bitter lemons!

cupisnique
cupisnique
5 years ago

I find it hard to take Roosh seriously at all. I don’t believe he honestly thinks this, I’m sure he hates women with an obsessive passion, but I’m not convinced he honestly believes women are stupid and men are so much more logical. I think he’s just flailing about trying to stay relevant and he knows that his followers want to believe this so he’s appealing to their insecurities. Plus these over the top articles probably generate more click-bait which makes him feel like he somehow matters. I think he has zero credibility when it comes to what he actually believes.

tcwill00
tcwill00
5 years ago

“The elite insists,” huh?

Apparently there’s only one elite person in the nation.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I accept that Roosh is bitter. I also accept that he’s a lemon.

brian
5 years ago

sounds like he read The Handmaid’s Tale and said “This sounds perfect!”

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