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Psy-Ops and Stealth Infiltration: The Protocols of the Elders of Roosh

Roosh V's role model?
Roosh V’s role model?

It was a tad ironic, to put to mildly: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that famously phony anti-Semitic “document” purporting to provide the details of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy straight from the Elders themselves, not only helped to inspire and rationalize the vicious Nazi campaign against the Jewish people; it provided the Nazis with a blueprint for their own underhanded actions.

“The Protocols was required reading for the Hitler Youth,” Stephen Eric Bronner notes in A Rumor About the Jews, his history of The Protocols.

The pamphlet served to illustrate “how it could be done,”or how the seizure of power might be accomplished. The fictional conspiracy of the Jews was employed as a model by the Nazis.

This meant a lot of pretty underhanded shit:

Intimidation of opponents became a favored tactic along with the assassination of public figures. Perversion of the public sphere, concerted use of propaganda, and use of the big lie all became elemental tactics. No charge was too outlandish, no tactic too outrageous, no goal too ambitious. 

Has Roosh Valizadeh, the noxious “pickup artist” and wannabe prophet of “neomasculinity” who favored us a few months back with his thoughts on “The Damaging Effects Of Jewish Intellectualism And Activism On Western Culture,” been reading The Protocols recently?

Because it seems as though he’s trying to beat the imaginary Elders of Zion at their own game.

In a grandiose and ethically bankrupt manifesto posted on his blog yesterday, Roosh sets out what he sees as the path forward for “neoreactionaries” like himself to bring about the return of patriarchy over the next half-century or so.

In his mind, it will be a five stage process.

In the first stage, already completed, people like him set up blogs and built “Red Pill”

internet communities that serve to help men meet women, teach them entrepreneurship skills, improve their health and bodily strength, and enlighten them with counter-cultural truths. 

In Stage 2, which Roosh for some reason calls “Seed Resistance,” these Red Pill dudes will basically start acting like utter douchebags to everyone who disagrees with them, launching “counter operations” in the form of “attack pieces against far left narrative bots” (?) as well as cruder “public shaming” campaigns against enemies “through humorous images and comics.”

This stage, he explains, is ongoing.

But it’s in the third stage, which we are just entering into, where things start to get wildly underhanded and unethical.

This stage begins with a pulling together of a new coalition of patriarchy lovers made up of  elements from

the men’s rights sphere, religious conservatives, liberal gamers, and even white nationalists.

These groups, currently “probing each other for common ground, loyalty, and commitment” will ultimately assemble into “a huge fighting force” and launch an all-out “Culture War” against the “far left” ideologues who, like the fictional Elders of Zion, supposedly run the world.

Culture war will involve sustained, asymmetrical, and intense informational warfare against the enemy that starts to damage their way of life, happiness, and disposable income. They will soon have sleepless nights just like I did in Canada when the full force of the establishment came down upon me.

The strategies Roosh suggests that this ragtag army use against the evil “establishment” seem to be copied straight from Supervillaining for Dummies. You can almost hear a loud “muahaha!” as Roosh spells out his devious plans:

  • Acute divide and conquer campaigns that target weak-willed individuals who are not ready to fight without being part of the herd.
  • Sustained criticism of individuals to encourage meltdowns and bad decisions, facilitating their descent into illogical madness that makes them lose support or prestige within their group.
  • Psy-op campaigns to undermine the word of women and other alternative groups by painting them as pathological liars or mentally insane
  • Creation of pressure groups (i.e. mobs) to target small companies that are sensitive to even small amounts of negative publicity and profit loss.
  • Stealth infiltration into intellectual circles and various institutions such as universities, media, military, and government bureaucracies.

As he sees it, the first shots in the Culture War have already been fired: he counts GamerGate, the Hugo awards fiasco, and the “cuckservative” meme to be some of the victories so far.

It’s at this point — in stages four and five — that Roosh’s manifesto starts to sound a bit like the supposedly foolproof plan of South Park’s Underpants Gnomes.

After a decade or so of “Culture Warring,” Roosh thinks a giant “cultural vacuum” will form, allowing neoreactionaries like him to, well, suck up those no longer convinced by the establishment’s evil narrative. And then, somewhere in the 2045-2075 time range, the patriarchy itself will magically return, triumphant.

Over the course of a generation, there will be a gradual return to the patriarchy as at least 50% of the population believes in traditional ideals and have the voting power to usher in non-bought leaders who see patriarchy as the only way to maintain cohesion of society.

PROFIT!

I have no doubt that stages four and five are little more than the grandiose visions of a PUA guru who desperately wants to become a full-fledged cult leader; they will never come to pass.

It’s stage three — all that underhanded shit — that’s more troubling. Roosh’s plans to bring back the patriarchy is doomed from the start, but energized “neoreactionary” trolls can cause a lot of damage to individual people while traveling down their particular road to nowhere

 

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EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Oh, the “establishment”? You mean like the police, who you ran to to file charges when you got beer thrown on you? Yeah, the Man is really down on you, man.

In fairness to Valizadeh, the Montreal police officer he spoke to was a motherfucking polar bear.

Moggie
Moggie
5 years ago

I guess psy-ops don’t work against people with no psy to op….

Op, op, op, op,
Oppa Gangnam style!

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@flrpwll: In the UK, pretty much every political party has a manifesto, as do a lot of lobbying groups. The more moderate parties’ ones are pretty reasonable.

@thedxman: Good catch. “Cohesion in society” seems to be the modern euphemism for, essentially, patriarchy. Put that way, the line you identified seems almost a tautology.

@vanir85: A solid point. I think Valizadeh – and a lot of men, to be honest – don’t really understand the difference between intimacy and dominance. Genuinely consensual sex, including the possibility that a woman might have a libido of her own and political thoughts of her own, is a frightening spectre to them because it raises the possibility that they become the object who is acted upon.

I say “a lot of men” because I was certainly like that when I was younger, too. The difference is that some of us grow up.

lostsomething
lostsomething
5 years ago

“They will soon have sleepless nights just like I did in Canada when the full force of the establishment came down upon me. ”

Ghandi’s salt march? King’s march on Washington? Pshaw, I’ve seen the true face of Civil Disobedience and will forever remember the moment it got a drink thrown at it.

Roaring Violet
Roaring Violet
5 years ago

Hey, finally coming out of lurkmode! *looks around suspiciously* You people don’t haze around here, right?

I find it weird that these people don’t realize that if they have to spread misinformation about their “enemy”, they’re basically admitting they’re in the wrong here.

Hipsterminator
5 years ago

Soon Roosh will have a cake named after him.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
5 years ago

On a more serious note; how far can this go before a Roosh’s neoreactionary hate mob actually becomes categorized as a domestic terrorist group? He openly admits he seeks to undermine social order and individual rights through deception and harassment.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
5 years ago

that a woman might have a libido of her own and political thoughts of her own, is a frightening spectre to them

– EJ (the other one)

Seems to me the kind of society Roosh & Co wants is one where men don’t HAVE to think of or treat women as people, where they can just force women into submission and take what they want from them.

Roosh and his fellow neoreactionaries really ARE the western version of IS (and I’m certain they’ll turn to violence, beyond the lone wolf shooter types they already spawn, once they realize there is *nothing* they can do that will make women *peacfully* go back to subjugation and second-class citizen status).

kyla ball
kyla ball
5 years ago

“On a more serious note; how far can this go before a Roosh’s neoreactionary hate mob actually becomes categorized as a domestic terrorist group? He openly admits he seeks to undermine social order and individual rights through deception and harassment.”—So true Vanir, that is why as fun as it can be to ridicule these people, they incite violence even though some deny it. All it takes is one followere to decide a bunch of women need killing. This has already been the case too.

dorabella
dorabella
5 years ago

My favourite quote from his rant is this:
“Heuristic rules of living that stem from religion and tradition will be used instead of ever-shifting scientific “facts” ”

…ever…shifting…scientific….facts

I have trouble coming up with a more misguided misinterpretation of science. Aren’t these guys supposed to be the rational ones?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Vanir85:

Roosh and his fellow neoreactionaries really ARE the western version of IS (and I’m certain they’ll turn to violence, beyond the lone wolf shooter types they already spawn, once they realize there is *nothing* they can do that will make women *peacfully* go back to subjugation and second-class citizen status).

I doubt they will. I hope I’m right.

Daesh (the Islamic State) are a disciplined group who have an enormous organisational capacity, a resilient leadership system honed over years of war, and a huge pool of soldiers who’re willing to follow orders even when it’s personally difficult for them. Aiding them in this is the fact that they can recruit from places where more than a decade of war with the West has inured people to fighting, and they can draw recruits from places like Palestine or Chechnya where the fighting has gone on even longer.

Also importantly, Daesh has shown its ability to genuinely offer an alternative society. They’ve built courts of law, a simple but robust welfare state, and a taxation system. They’re capable of running a country, meaning that whenever the infrastructure of state fails they can move into the void as a genuine alternative. Their alternative state may be a hateful place but it functions.

The neoreactionaries have none of this. They’re a bunch of bloggers and sock puppeteers whose proudest achievements have been hijacking social media to have some advertising pulled for a while. When one looks at activities rather than words, they disappear entirely. I can see them producing lone gunmen, probably tragically many of them; but I can’t see them building an army in the same way as Daesh did.

(This should not be taken as admiration of Daesh. They’re genuine villains of a sort we thankfully seldom see in the world. They are however competent villains, and we need to recognise this.)

freemage
5 years ago

Jo | September 17, 2015 at 11:56 pm

The full force of the establishment came down upon you in Canada? Like fuck it did, Roosh. I heard masculinity involved strength, perseverance and fortitude, but all I can see from you is pathetic exaggeration as if a few people calling you out was some sort of struggle against power. When the full force of the establishment comes down on you, you won’t have time to whine about it at length, you pathetic loser.

Yeah, this part made me chuckle. I can only assume he thinks the ‘full force of the establishment’ takes the form of a beer and a crowd of hecklers.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

If the Big Boyz (& a Token Big Girl) can lie without repercussions, then why can’t Roosh? And Paul Elam? Why shouldn’t they get in on that action? America, land of opportunity.

It’s the Republicans’ (and the MRAs’, the PUAs’, and so on) bizarro world. We just live in it.

Or so they would really, really like us to believe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/opinion/paul-krugman-fantasies-and-fictions-at-gop-debate.html?_r=1

JMR
JMR
5 years ago

I’m pretty sure the “liberal” in “liberal gamers” is for all of the Gators who say things like, “Of COURSE I believe in equality for women, BUT…” It’s for people who pat themselves on the back for thinking literal slavery is pretty icky stuff, and who think that makes them a liberal (a “real” liberal, not like those feminazis, amirite).

That’s part of it, but Gamergate has a long and strange relationship with their purported political affiliation. The best way I can think of to explain it is a label they came up with for themselves awhile back: “cultural libertarians”. They frame it as being defenders of free speech, artistic expression, and so on, and thus they are the “true liberals” as opposed to the censorial “cultural authoritarian” SJWs who want to stifle expression and ban speech in the name of not offending anyone.

Of course, anyone outside their bubble can see that A) criticism is not a call for banning or censorship and B) They’re perfectly willing to throw their support for “artistic expression” out the window and get all riled up about “forced politics” in media when the artist expresses opinions they don’t like. It’s all a smokescreen, but its all to keep themselves convinced that they’re the real liberals.

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

Does Roosh not realize that a return to a society where women are the property of men would severely cut into his pua/rape fun? Other men wouldn’t want him touching their chattel.

Nequam
Nequam
5 years ago

Does Roosh just need to join the frickin’ Army given all this militaristic language? But that just might to real-life and risky for him.

Given his hygeine habits, I imagine a blanket party or two would come his way.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@AnAndrejaPejicBlog:

Funny thing about that, actually. Roosh has said multiple times in the past that his PUA garbage is something he does because he feels he has to, and he’d look forward to a more traditional society.

Sounds odd, but it boils down to who has to court who. Roosh is supremely upset that women can have agency and careers in our society, and therefore they don’t have to appeal to men in order to ensure their basic survival. Thus, since women can do whatever the hell they want, men have to be the ones going to women and being a clown in order to get the sex women are holding hostage.

In his mind, a “traditional” society is one where women have to essentially grovel at his (“men’s”) feet for food, so he’d therefore have all the sex he wants with a nice submissive housewife automagically.

Roosh doesn’t quite see PUA as a means of having sex with women in general… more like a way to wade through hot women’s high standards while those women are allowed to have them.

Prios
Prios
5 years ago

Not really seeing what’s so amazing/goofy about step 3, for the most part. A lot of it is just big words describing behavior that’s been pretty par for the course with fuckhead assholes.

“Sustained criticism of individuals to encourage meltdowns and bad decisions, facilitating their descent into illogical madness that makes them lose support or prestige within their group.”

“Sustained criticism” yeah haha you mean harassment, Rooshie. You mean “harass people with an endless horde of sealioning idiots until they finally lose patience and lash out.” Granted the targets don’t usually lose much support within their group, because their group consists of actual decent sensible people who know that stress and endless hassling can take a toll on you.

“Psy-op campaigns to undermine the word of women and other alternative groups by painting them as pathological liars or mentally insane”

Yeah, you mean “harass people until they lash out or express frustration, then leap on that and blow it up. Or failing that just like dig up logs from ten years ago. Or just scream ‘OMFG LYING CRAZY WUHWUHWUHWOOOOOOMEN’ on YouTube until we pass out.” We’re all painfully familiar with this, thanks anyway Roo dude. But you know maybe calling it “psy-ops” will make it actually accomplish something besides spreading shit everywhere.

“Creation of pressure groups (i.e. mobs) to target small companies that are sensitive to even small amounts of negative publicity and profit loss.”

Clearly braying mobs of angry stupid assholes will work on SMALL companies after failing so spectacularly with BIG ones (cough cough Gamergate). I know if there’s one thing I’d want my small business being known for, it’d be for obeying the demands of obvious misogynists, many of whom are probably not actual customers.
I can’t help but admire his honesty in actually saying “mobs” though.

“Stealth infiltration into intellectual circles and various institutions such as universities, media, military, and government bureaucracies.”

Okay this one’s genuinely sorta ambitious with some of its targets. Not that universities don’t already keep some far-right fucksticks around to facepalm and laugh at. But “stealth infiltration” makes me think of “Femcon 2015” and “NotYourShield.” Such encouraging test cases for future “stealth” missions.

Shotagonist
Shotagonist
5 years ago

If he’s still alive then, I’ll ask him about his plan in 2075.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Hey, finally coming out of lurkmode! *looks around suspiciously* You people don’t haze around here, right?

Nope…but if you look near the bottom of the right sidebar, you’ll find a scented candle. Click on that, and your initiation will soon be complete!

I find it weird that these people don’t realize that if they have to spread misinformation about their “enemy”, they’re basically admitting they’re in the wrong here.

I’m not a bit surprised, myself…lying to try to manipulate others is what these guys do, full-time. They’ve even lied to and manipulated themselves and each other, and the funny part is that they’re all too self-deluded and mutually brainwashed to realize it.

Also, I’m pretty sure they think that WE do that, so THEY have to, if they’re going to “win” — à la the CIA with their justification for MKULTRA, which they insisted they’d have to do if they were going to beat those devious Chinese and creepy Russkies at their own game…

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

@kirbywarp

In the society he envisions, it’s still not going to work out for Roosh, since he’s not rich and/or powerful enough to access women of the hotness level he desires. Beautiful women of the upper classes would always be out of reach, while beautiful women of the lower classes could marry up or be the mistresses of upperclass men. He really doesn’t think this shit through, does he?

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@EJ – I just wanted to give a thanks for using “Daesh”.

I wish it would gain more traction in the US.


For those who don’t know why:

“The term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/09/words-matter-isis-war-use-daesh/V85GYEuasEEJgrUun0dMUP/story.html

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@AnAndrejaPejicBlog:
I don’t think he knows what a Nash Equilibrium is.

@mockingbird:
I love the phrase.

My Arabic friends tell me that apparently it’s a very difficult pun to translate but is extremely insulting, even more so than the translations suggest. I’m told that it’s like “Faux News” for Fox News in the level of inadvertent hyperappropriateness.

Mortarius
Mortarius
5 years ago

“They will soon have sleepless nights just like I did in Canada when the full force of the establishment came down upon me”

OH man that’s good. Look mate, maybe when police show up in armoured vehicles to stop you with full authorization to kill you while the media and authorities describe you as thugs and terrorists you can play that card, until then harden up.

These wet noodles aren’t even cut out for the lowest levels of activism. They’d go to a protest and balk at the sight of a counter-demonstration, let alone any police resistance.

Mortarius
Mortarius
5 years ago

I do love the pattern of reactionaries deciding evil tactics are okay:

1. Push some straight BS like the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion, or Secret Communist Plots or Cultural Marxism to show how left wingers engage in these evil tactics that we do-gooder reactionaries must stop!

2. Study those strategies used by this made up left wing

3. Adopt them because it’s okay to do this stuff that outrages us as an evil plot because they’re doing it too, it’s only fair

4. Commit acts of evil, wonder why there is a backlash when they are uncovered, there was no backlash to those nasty lefties (who didn’t do anything) so we better double down and do it harder.

Fang
Fang
5 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)

You really put your finger on it here – these guys are just talk. They want an alternate society, but their idea is to just sort of screw around and try and break stuff. It’s weird, pathetic, and entitled.

Really what Roosh and company do is suck off the teat of remaining patriarchy and priviledge systems. What they really want is society to pat them on the head for being male and give them a cookie, and they’ll whine and scream if that doesn’t happen. What they don’t do is MAKE anything.

The real “SJWs” and activists are out there now building society, organizing politically, engaging in effective protests that (usually) doesn’t make them look like malicious assholes. And they’re not being activists by buying skeezy books or supporting someone’s lifestyle.

All these guys can do is burn things, which painful and awful as it is, also speaks to their impotence. Society could collapse tomorrow and Roosh and company would be the LEAST likely to know what the hell to do.

the stig
the stig
5 years ago

It’s funny how his plan to eliminate the supposedly powerful lefties is to attack those without any power to begin with.

skiriki
5 years ago

@Roaring Violet — welcome aboard! Have you checked out the benefits package provided by Feminist High Council, the big Scented Fucking Candle up there? If you’ve helped yourself, jolly good. 🙂

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Fang:
I don’t think they even want an alternate society. They’re like the soldiers from the Thirty Years War who were looking for a cause, any cause, which would let them rape and pillage. They don’t care about the end result, just that it’s a banner in whose name they can misbehave.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Mortarius,
Are you saying that getting a beer thrown on you isn’t like say, Steven Biko being killed in prison? How dare you! You don’t know Roosh’s struggle! He had to take a shower to get the beer out of his hair. You know how he hates having to bathe!

Mewens
Mewens
5 years ago

Sorry for the length; this started as a note on Daesh vs. ISIS or IS or whatever you want to call it, and then turned into a rant.

I found this article very helpful:
https://www.freewordcentre.com/blog/2015/02/daesh-isis-media-alice-guthrie/

In short, “Daesh” is not a magical word with multiple conjugations. (It’s a neologism, so the idea that it can be “conjugated” into another, established word itself is a little nonsensical.) The original Arabic name of the group directly translates to “Islamic State in Syria and the Levant,” with Levant being a term for the region that includes Syria; thus ISIL or ISIS. The acronyms are equivalent to Daesh; Daesh is simply true to sound of the Arabic words.

Arabic’s just like any other language; there are layers of cultural meaning tied into every word and phrase, so, yes, there’s cultural assumptions and allusions to “al-Dowla” that many of us won’t be privy to. But it’s worth noting: Such cultural connotations are not unique to Arabic. I mean, when Roosh pontificates on “Western civilization,” we know he’s talking about a very specific thing, and it’s not the same thing one would talk about in, say, a U.S. civics class.

Anyway, this is a somewhat hot-button topic for me; I’m not accusing anyone of racism, but the West has a history of looking at the cultural connotations in Eastern languages and inferring a kind of mysticism. The idea that Daesh has all these nebulous, negative connotations somehow tied to strange linguistic gymnastics plays directly into that narrative, and the simple truth of the matter – that “Daesh” punctures the self-importance of a horrific organization – gets buried. (For that matter, I’ve always enjoyed calling the group ISIS since that’s also the Anglicized name of a pagan god; something, I feel, which equally undermines their bloated pomposity – and does it with a play that exists in my language.)

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

Oh, the “establishment”? You mean like the police, who you ran to to file charges when you got beer thrown on you? Yeah, the Man is really down on you, man.

Guys, we shouldn’t mock this. That beer was probably pretty dense.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Can’t have been half as dense as Rooshie Boy himself.

Mieze
5 years ago

Emphasis on the ‘stealth’ because who wants everyone to know what an awful dumpster you actually are?

Matter of fact, emphasis on the ‘do villainous stuff on the Internet’ because who wants to defend willfully flawed logic face to face?

Be more cowardly.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Thank you for that, Mewens. I am not in a position to debate it either way, I only have the word of a bunch of London-born Arabs, so if you know more about it then I’m grateful to learn from you.

pkayden
pkayden
5 years ago

The Hugo awards “fiasco” was a victory for neoconservatives? Really? Every category that was all Sad Puppies got a “No Award” vote. How is that a victory for reactionaries? Sounds more like a win for the liberal SJW side.

Demographic projections aren’t in Mr. Roosh’s favor. The White population is declining as a percentage of the U.S. population and will no longer be the majority in 2045-75 time frame.

Hank_Says
5 years ago

The Hugo thing is something he considers a victory? GamerGate is some triumph of manliness? I’m staggered that a thinking human could see either of those things as anything more than toddler-level supermarket freak-outs. I think Rapey McRacist needs another fucking cold beer in his face.

Hank_Says
5 years ago

[oops, my URL was borked!]

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Mewens @EJ:

I was going off of what a Saudi (well, Saudi dad, American Mom – grew up mostly is Saudi, back in the US for school and because he hates moat of SA) friend of mine said (paraphrasing): “I like the name ‘Daesh’. People should use it. It’s like calling them ‘assholes’ every time you talk about them.”

Hypatia
Hypatia
5 years ago

I read this article the other day. I don’t even know why I read this manospheric bullshit. I guess I’m a masochist of some sort. I chuckled when I saw some people on twitter labeling Roosh’s article as “a great analysis”. Yeah, right. More like delusional wishful thinking and wet dreams of a vile misogynist.

Sometimes I do get worried about the idea of return of the patriarchy. I don’t think it’s likely and I always try to be optimistic, but who knows what happens in the future. Even if it doesn’t happen during my lifetime, I don’t want my daughters and granddaughters to live in a goddamn patriarchy.

Also, neoreactionaries, red pillers and the ilk often dream about some kind of reset of civilization after which they will take power and establish their reactionary laws. I think they’re genuinely looking forward to the possibility of the Western world collapsing completely so they could seize power after the collapse and enlighten everyone on how feminism, secularism and individual rights are terrible and corrupt inventions which brought us to the collapse of the civilization in the first place. Sick.

Roaring Violet
Roaring Violet
5 years ago
Reply to  skiriki

@skiriki I cannot see a scented candle anywhere 🙁

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 years ago

@WWTH

You don’t know Roosh’s struggle! He had to take a shower to get the beer out of his hair. You know how he hates having to bathe!

…Do we know for sure that he’s showered since then?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Hypatia:

Also, neoreactionaries, red pillers and the ilk often dream about some kind of reset of civilization after which they will take power and establish their reactionary laws. I think they’re genuinely looking forward to the possibility of the Western world collapsing completely so they could seize power after the collapse and enlighten everyone on how feminism, secularism and individual rights are terrible and corrupt inventions which brought us to the collapse of the civilization in the first place. Sick.

Whenever I read a rant like that, I always think of Charles Manson’s philosophy, because he did it first and better than them. They aren’t being original, they’re just contemptibly warming up his leftovers without even having the commitment to do it properly.*

Manson had been predicting racial war for some time before he used the term Helter Skelter. His first use of the term was at a gathering of the Family on New Year’s Eve 1968. This took place at the Family’s base at Myers Ranch, near California’s Death Valley.

In its final form, which was reached by mid-February 1969, the scenario had Manson as not only the war’s ultimate beneficiary but its musical cause. He and the Family would create an album with songs whose messages concerning the war would be as subtle as those he had heard in songs of The Beatles. More than merely foretell the conflict, this would trigger it; for, in instructing “the young love,” America’s white youth, to join the Family, it would draw the young, white female hippies out of San Francisco’s Haight-Ashbury. Black men, thus deprived of the white women whom the political changes of the 1960s had made sexually available to them, would be without an outlet for their frustrations and would lash out in violent crimes against whites. A resultant murderous rampage against blacks by frightened whites would then be exploited by militant blacks to provoke an internecine war of near-extermination between racist and non-racist whites over blacks’ treatment. Then the militant blacks would arise to sneakily finish off the few whites they would know to have survived; indeed, they would kill off all non-blacks.

In this holocaust, the members of the enlarged Family would have little to fear; they would wait out the war in a secret city that was underneath Death Valley that they would reach through a hole in the ground. As the only actual remaining whites upon the race war’s true conclusion, they would emerge from underground to rule the now-satisfied blacks, who, as the vision went, would be incapable of running the world; Manson “would scratch [the black man’s] fuzzy head and kick him in the butt and tell him to go pick the cotton and go be a good n—r….”

The term Helter Skelter was from the Beatles song of that name, which referred to the British amusement-park ride of that name and was interpreted by Manson as concerned with the war. The song was on the Beatles’ White Album, first heard by Manson within a month or so of its November 1968 release.

Former Manson follower Catherine Share, in a 2009 documentary called Manson, for Cineflix Productions et al., claimed:

“When the Beatles’ White Album came out, Charlie listened to it over and over and over and over again. He was quite certain that the Beatles had tapped in to his spirit, the truth — that everything was gonna come down and the black man was going to rise. It wasn’t that Charlie listened to the White Album and started following what he thought the Beatles were saying. It was the other way around. He thought that the Beatles were talking about what he had been expounding for years. Every single song on the White Album, he felt that they were singing about us. The song “Helter Skelter” — he was interpreting that to mean the blacks were gonna go up and the whites were gonna go down.”

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*Dear Mr MRA, please do not take this as a challenge to become more committed and more organised and start killing people. You’re far less harmful to the world sitting on reddit in your underwear than you would be anywhere else. Stay there, s’il vous plait.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

I just posted something including a quote which I should have censored; because despite being a direct quote it’s got some extremely hateful words in it. Fortunately, it seems to be stuck in moderation. David, if you could edit it, I’d be very grateful.

Myoo
Myoo
5 years ago

@Roaring Violet

I cannot see a scented candle anywhere

Yeah, it doesn’t seem to be there anymore. It linked to the welcome package, here’s a direct link:
https://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/the-official-man-boobz-complimentary-welcome-package/

ColeYote
ColeYote
5 years ago

> This stage begins with a pulling together of a new coalition of patriarchy lovers made up of elements from
>> the men’s rights sphere, religious conservatives, LIBERAL GAMERS, and even white nationalists.

There are not enough quotation marks in the world to adequately convey how not-liberal those gamers would have to be/are.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Thanks for the edit, David.

Roaring Violet
Roaring Violet
5 years ago
Reply to  Myoo

@Myoo Thanks!

baldbogan
baldbogan
5 years ago

Wow….. I read things online, and I just……wow. People are crazy stupid yahoos, I dig that, but there are some batshit crazies out there. Think I’ll just polish up my shotgun and wait for the zombie apocalypse with my dogs

vaiyt
5 years ago

Roosh thinks a 4chan raid that not only failed in its initial objective (get Zoe Quinn to kill herself) but also got their mortal enemy on national TV is a model of psy-ops.