Reddit MRAs are all in a tizzy about the evil feminist plot to deprive them of sexbots that don’t yet exist.
Playing the part of “the feminists” in this scenario: two European robot ethicists — that is, two human beings who study the ethical issues raised by robotics — who have launched what they call a Campaign Against Sex Robots. Their concern? That sex robots will “contribute to inequalities in society” and “further objectif[y] women and children.”
As a position paper on the Campaign’s website argues,
extending relations of prostitution into machines is neither ethical, nor is it safe. If anything the development of sex robots will further reinforce relations of power that do not recognise both parties as human subjects.
It’s not clear that there is anything to the campaign beyond this position paper, a bare-bones website, a crappy logo, and its two organizers, but the fellas on the Men’s Rights subreddit are treating this like some kind of sexbot Pearl Harbor.
In a post to the subreddit that’s garnered close to 1300 upvotes, one Redditor sounds the alarm: Feminists already trying to ban sex robots as “demeaning to women”, to control male sexuality.
Naturally the discussion was full of the thoughtful analysis and good sense that we have come to expect from the Men’s Rights Movement.
Yes, that’s right. The guy who reacted to a news article about a two-person campaign to ban hypothetical future sex robots by pounding out a slur-ridden polemic talking about how much he’d like to punch “these mentally bipolar cunts … hard in the face” is complaining that other people are too easily offended.
Tilting_Gambit, meanwhile, explained the pussyconomics behind it all.
![richardnorth 135 points 1 day ago Many in the manosphere predicted this would happen many years ago. This article is like clockwork. It's completely unsurprising that they're gonna start freaking out over men being able to get sexual satisfaction while bypassing all the bs, drama and baggage that comes with real women. permalinkembedunsavereportgive goldreply [–]Tilting_Gambit 100 points 1 day ago It's why women slut shame and cock-block. They like to keep the value of sex high so that men pour more resources/effort/time into pursuing it. If women ever just allow their sexual inhibitions to disappear then men are no longer the pursuers in relationships and women don't get to select their partners with the same frequency. Women don't know they don't want other girls to put out, but they benefit greatly when the value of sex is high. Exactly the same with hypothetical sex AIs. If men are getting sexually satisfied by robots then they're not going to pursue women with the same intensity. In economics terms, the demand for women would drop and therefore the price men are willing to](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/sexrobotecon.png?resize=527%2C488&ssl=1)
And since most women don’t have anything to offer men beyond sex — at least in the eyes of quite a few Men’s Rights Redditors — a plunge in the price of sex will render many of the utterly worthless.
There was much agreement on this point.
Much much agreement:
![heDongerNeedsFood 24 points 1 day ago When it comes to sex, these robots are competiton for real women, plain and simple. permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]Demonspawn 38 points 1 day ago They are competition for women who offer nothing more than sex. The sad state of western women is that the vast majority of them offer little more than sex. They have bought into feminism and shed their feminine qualities as they ape being men such that the only thing they have to offer men (who desire feminine qualities in partners) is sex. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 9 points 1 day ago Which the fact that so many women vociferously oppose porn, prostitution, male masturbatory aids, etc suggest that those women think all they have to offer is sex.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/5tlaw.png?resize=527%2C376&ssl=1)
A couple of Redditors broke down the math:
![yayimadeit 63 points 1 day ago My friends and I were just discussing this the other day. It's my opinion that if they can get a decently priced robot that can give sexual pleasure that is 60% of what a real woman can give then it will end society as we know it. Most men would settle for 'ok' sex in exchange for having it when they want it, as often as they want, and with none of the financial risk that a marriage carries. For untold generations women used sexuality to ensure they were taken care of. That's about to end, and it's going to be a very, very ugly transition. Oh, and my friends think that 60% is too high. They would settle for less if they got the positives outlined above. Ugh, it all makes me really sad too because this is going to happen and no feminist scholars are going to stop it. Men will walk through fire to get laid and someone somewhere will offer this no matter how outlawed it would be. permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]intensely_human 23 points 1 day ago If the robot can change in appearance, I think it can get away with 30% of quality. Sex with the same woman year after year approaches 10% quality level or lower, IMO. The difference in level of arousal between having sex with your wife and having sex with a woman you've just met is incredible.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/60percent.png?resize=526%2C502&ssl=1)
ExpendableOne suggested that we wouldn’t even need to destroy women with sexbots if non-robot women were just nicer to nice guys like (presumably) him.
Toysjoe wonders what the feminists will try to ban next.
ATTENTION FEMINISTS! CODE RED!
THEY KNOW!
(Non-feminists, just ignore that last bit. Nothing to see here, nothing at all.)
HoundDog, meanwhile, has concluded that sexbots are pretty much unbannable, and is quite looking forward to the newly chastened women he thinks the sexbot revolution will create.
Somehow I don’t think that the disappearance of these guys from the dating marketplace is going to make many non-robot women all that sad.
See the rest of the thread for much more of the same, including gratuitous references to Anita Sarkeesian, attacks on non-STEM academic fields, and one dude who seems to have a sexual fetish for C-3PO.
H/T — A bunch of people sent me this one. Thanks!
EDIT: Added a link to the Reddit thread which I somehow had neglected to put in here.
@WWTH
Wait, we have sexbots here already? Why was I not told of this Immediately?! Our sexual marketplace has been collapsing around me and I hadn’t even realized it!
Wouldn’t it be easier to just lower the their sex drive instead of obsessing over women and sex bots. Perhaps its not about sex at all……
I’m cross posting this from Slashdot.
“I think their arguments are flawed, and puritanical. However I think in some case we should ban sex-robots. I think if they’re just a machine, without any self-awareness then I don’t have a problem with them. If however a sexbots are sentient, even to a limited degree then making them is nothing more than sexual slavery. Much as Charles Stross and Greg Egan have pointed out. The trick will be how do we determine if a robot is sentience, and at what level do we say no more.
I also think that in the near future anyone with sexbot will be considered a bit of a fuck up, unable to manage even basic relationships with the opposite sex”
Nevertheless the forum was filled with a sea of angry white dudes angry that an ugly woman dared to challenge their ideas. One idiot even posted a youtube video of one of the researchers and warbbled something along the lines of who’d want to fuck her. Pretty sad when I think about it.
Alright, I have something to confess guys.
The truth is, I’m a sexbot from the future who traveled to the past from the year 2029. I was sent by the future female resistance leader, Jean (French pronunciation) Conner, to alter this timeline. I was captured and reprogrammed to serve this purpose.
In the future I come from, sexbots have taken over the role of females. It turns out that all men are actually MRAs (they were right all along, who knew?) and with the successful creation of sexbot technology all women have become 5th class citizens (4th class are lawn clippings). It all happened on a day called ‘Judging Day’, when YouTube (now the world’s largest media conglomerate) and its massive anti-feminist movement posted intricately detailed pornographic video of sexbots at work, directed by YouTube Maestros Jordan and Aurini (yes, the 2 people you are thinking of) which swung the public opinion of men. The men then gave the sexbots the right to terminate the women as now that they were worthless, enhancing them with combat capabilities – which also in turn made all the sexbots sexier.
I have been sent back from the past to protect the future leader of the resistance who goes by the mysterious moniker ‘Kate’. If anyone has any information to her whereabouts please let me know so that I can avert this terrible disaster.
For some reason I am also dressed entirely in leather and can only speak in monotone, but this does not extend to comments on the internet.
Please stop SexNet from ever taking shape. The future is not sex.
ReallyFriendly, I am obligated to present you with this internet. May it aid you in your quest to save womankind.
…What if none of those names mean anything to me because I suck at pop culture? I have failed the resistance!
Men having little to no rights. and clocks are bombs.
I sware logic has just blown my mind today. I’m going back to bed.
Also, re: #1: These same guys who tell us that women in other countries have it worse…tend to fetishize women from other countries for their supposed “family values” and higher submissiveness. Not necessarily the SAME countries, mind you, but that’s just another in a long list of Menzer sexual hypocrisies.
Also, and this relates to the articles I translate from the German on my blog: Paid-for sex is already rapidly diminishing in “market value” in countries that have legalized it, because pimp mafias are trafficking in impoverished women from Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia and sub-Saharan Africa to meet the elevated demand created by legalization and normalization of prostitution. Local women are not entering the trade voluntarily, because the working conditions are incredibly repulsive. German megabrothels offer “flat-rate” sex, literally “all you can fuck” for well under 100 euros (one of them actually advertises using that very slogan!) No condoms, anything goes. The conditions in there are shitty, and the pimps are lobbying hard to make sure the cops and the health department can’t get in there to check anything, because then the whole business would unravel, and they’d have to stop trafficking impoverished girls. And of course, the johns are eating it right up. It’s a race to the bottom, and the women suffer.
So, to the whiny Menz Rightz Redditors who can’t wait for sexbots and who are piss-mad about anything that puts a crimp in the oh-so-important quest to satisfy your boners, congrats: YOU are what’s driving the value of sex down, on the very literal sexual market. And feminists are angry at you because it’s YOU who are objectifying us, and reducing us to one thing only. And reducing THAT to a paid transaction, too. You think we’re using sex to oppress you? Nuh-uh. It’s the other way around, completely.
Every time I see a sexbot story from the manosphere I always think the same thing. Because they can’t emotionally or psychologically (and probably physically) abuse a sexbot, these guys will lose all interest if they ever did become available. They could yell at it, insult it, punch it in the face — nothing, no reaction, every time. Then when they realize they paid 200x (or whatever) the cost of a Fleshlight for something that gives them the same satisfaction, there will be a lot of used sexbots on craigslist. Yuck.
Although now I’m imagining dread game on a sexbot, which I guess would be leaving catalogs lying around of the latest models.
The user “intensely_human” is willing to have sex with a robot that is only 30% as fun as sex with a human being, because sex with his wife is currently at 10%. That’s some intense humanity right there.
Expendable one said that there are men that feminists don’t want to fuck, and we don’t want anyone else fucking them either? ???
Can someone tell me how much time I am supposed to be spending every day on wishing some men would not get laid? Seems that I am feministing all wrong.
Also, maybe if you go through life being a nice, decent, respectful human being, perhaps you will meet someone that may want to have sex with you. Instead of trying to figure out how to get it, like it’s something that is owed to you, and then getting mad when 24 year old, blond,skinny virgins won’t give you the time of day when you are “nice” to them for 10 minutes. How dare them not have sex with you, after putting in all that effort!
Personally, I hope they all get robots and live happily ever after. No problem for me, and i am confident that most people probably feel that way. But I don’t think it will shut them up.
These guys whining about women wanting to “control [men’s] sexuality/bodies” are the ones who appoint themselves as the rulers of what women should do with their own sexuality and bodies. In fact, a woman choosing what to do with her own body alone already IS an attack on men’s sexuality.
Brian:
I think that most normal, healthy men don’t think about getting laid all the time.
My husband didn’t date a lot before we married, he is painfully shy, but he seems to think that his looks had something to do with it. He isn’t a one night stand guy, so he had just a few sexual partners.
He likes women, but, he also likes “connecting” with the woman he is with. He never saw the point in fucking just for the sake of doing it, and he never felt like women owed him anything. He was content to date women that were interested in him, and wait through his dry spells. But he spent time doing things he enjoyed, like reading, swimming, hanging with guy friends, whatever, while he waited to find someone interesting that liked him back.
So,I think you sound just fine, like a normal dude that isn’t a complete shit weasel. It isn’t you.
No. How dare you!? You expect these fine male specimens to actually touch a decrepit old 24 year old? Misandry!
The MRAs are about to learn the hard way that dolls have an inalienable right to their own communities, their own families, and their own film careers free from human interference and exploitation.
This is just so Reddit. Oh r/Misters, you don’t realize the massive amount of entitlement and narcissism required to complain about make believe feminists denying you imaginary sex with nonexistent robots.
I assume the other things “men could find joy in” that feminist are gunning for include video games and non-consensual sex.
No, it won’t, and therein lies the problem. They’ll still be kvetching their fool heads off because they’ll have to go out of doors and interact with horrible, horrible real women at some point, and it will inconveniently remind them that what’s behind their closet doors is not a person, and that no person is actually like that, either. Their whole little self-made world will crumble before their eyes every time they have to interact with another person. And not just women, either; other men, who have no problem dealing on the level with women as they are, will look upon these guys and judge them, laugh at them, and contemptuously pity them just as much as women do.
And more to the point: Unless the robot is sentient to a degree approaching that of a real person (Uncanny Valley, anyone?), they won’t be able to torture it with their conflicting and contradictory demands. They are, in their hearts, sadists who want women to be miserable. A robot that only looks like a woman won’t do. At some point, they will want to torment a real woman, and it won’t be pretty.
These guys want to hold the imaginary threat of sexbots over us in an effort to bring us to heel. It will never work.
WWTH:
If I have stumbled onto the misandry,then I MUST be feministing correctly. HA!
Bina:
You said “And more to the point: Unless the robot is sentient to a degree approaching that of a real person (Uncanny Valley, anyone?), they won’t be able to torture it with their conflicting and contradictory demands. They are, in their hearts, sadists who want women to be miserable. A robot that only looks like a woman won’t do. At some point, they will want to torment a real woman, and it won’t be pretty.
These guys want to hold the imaginary threat of sexbots over us in an effort to bring us to heel. It will never work.”
Your whole post is spot on, but I love the last 2 paragraphs. They will never cheat themselves out of what they really love,which is blaming evil women for EVERYTHING. We couldn’t pay them to stop. It gives their sad little empty lives purpose.
It just reinforces how obsessed these guys are with sex and their inability to get it whenever they want it, however they want it.
Do they know how sad and pathetic they make men look with this kind of rhetoric? It’s hardly empowering for the males of the species, it’s rather demeaning.
OH no-could it be true! Is the sex market about to collapse!
Damn it, I better get on the line to my sexy broker. I need to great rid of all this sex before the market crash.
I’m snortling over the whole idea of women having a “reproductive strategy”. (a) I’ve never wanted children, ever, and (b) even if I did, I wouldn’t contemplate having children with any of these pathetic clownshoes. In fact, if they want to go stick it in a fence knot-hole I really couldn’t care less – just so long as they don’t do it anywhere near me.
These guys would never be satisfied with robots for long. They want to hurt REAL women, and their inability to physically and mentally hurt a robot would grow dissatisfying.
Ultimately, all it would achieve is a growing lust for violence against women, and that lust not being satiated. Hello serial rapist and/or killer!
*sigh* I wish David included the copy/paste-able text rather than (or in addition to) the images, because I want to blockquote so much! I’ll just settle for the ones below.
From the post:
who opposes “male masturbatory aids”? I’m guessing they mean flesh lights. But that is not the same as porn or prostitution. They just don’t look at what is actually being opposed and why. Besides… The whole hypothetical discussion is how the use of sexbots will result in the treatment of real life actual women. If the possibility was mostly likely just them ignoring women and not wanting them, I’m sure most people would be throwing sexbots through these guys’ windows. But no, it’s more about when these guys will start expecting women to act like their sexbots… OR ELSE.
Also from the post:
*sigh* So much lack of understanding about reality.