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Roosh V: Women incorporate DNA from the sperm of casual sex partners, causing “Slut Face,” cuckolding

No, dudes, your babies will not develop the facial features of your partner's previous lovers
No, dudes, your babies will not develop the facial features of your partner’s previous lovers

So PUA nimrod and would-be philosopher-king Roosh Valizadeh has put on his “science” hat again, reporting what he describes as the “two seismic implications” of a recent study of flies.

The first is that a woman can absorb enough DNA during her lifetime that it changes her phenotype (i.e. her appearance and overall health state). There could be some truth to the phrase “slut face” in which highly promiscuous women suffer a change to their appearance because of all the variable sperm from different males that have been deposited inside them.

Wat.

The second implication stems from the fact that it’s scientifically conclusive that single mothers have DNA of their bastard children residing permanently within their bodies. Any man who reproduces with a single mom will have a child that contains DNA from the bastard spawn, which of course includes DNA from the absentee father. This means that men can be genetically cuckolded without being traditionally cuckolded, and that having a baby with a single mom is essentially giving the father of her first child a bonus prize in the game of evolution.

Now I’m no biologist, but this seems like a giant stinky pile of horseshit to me. I mean, what the hell?

In the interests of actual science — as distinct from PUA “science” — I sent Roosh’s post along to actual biologist PZ Myers.

His first reaction was “ick.” And then he sat down and wrote a post in which he declared that “there’s literally nothing correct in any of that mess” from Roosh I just quoted.

Nothing. Roosh has imposed his faulty, biased interpretation on the work in a way that would certainly horrify the authors.

Naturally, the conclusions that Roosh draws from his completely wrong premises are also completely wrong:

For thousands of years, a woman’s purity was cherished above all else when it came to creating a family. Now the scientific community is confirming the validity of that practice. Until the science is settled, men who insist on reproducing with a promiscuous woman should at least demand to interview her previous sexual partners so he can become familiar with the men whose genes may be passed on to his future children.

I think it’s fairly safe to say that the only DNA Roosh will be passing along to future generations will be found on the kleenex on the floor next to his bed after he dies alone and unloved in whatever obscure country he ends up in because he thinks it’s the least feminist on earth.

You can see PZ’s full takedown here.

 

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cinzia la strega
cinzia la strega
5 years ago

And I agree with Kat (above). I think he knows what he has written here is crap, but it feeds the paranoid fantasies of his followers.

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera

Oh I am so going to drink red bull now.

Wait, so that’s why it’s called red bull? Eww.

Dodom
Dodom
5 years ago

I know about that “slut-face” effect: if you spend ten years having sex with whomever you like, at the end, you’ve become ten years older! It’s SCIENCE!

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Roosh lists a B.S. in microbiology from the University of Maryland on his “resume” and has referred to himself as “a man of science.” Yikes.

BS is right. I don’t think that degree is any more real than is his claim that having sex is what he does. No, raping is what he does. And any “degree” he has is purchased from a diploma mill, because that man is obviously too stupid to science.

Drezden
Drezden
5 years ago

@moocow Taurine is so named because it was first derived from ox bile. So, not sperm, but not much better really

Vanir85
Vanir85
5 years ago

What I don’t get, is; what they think this would change, even if true? I actually posted a reply on the RoK article (and yes, I feel like I need to scrub both myself and my browser, for engaging on that site) that reads as follows:

“Heh. Even if true, hardly as bad for women as many here think. It would increase genetic variation in offspring, which is a good thing, all-over. The need for a woman’s reproduction to be reserved for only one man who is supposed to be super-awesome-special to her, is just *your* need. Not her need, not the “need” of the specie. If women “absorb” genetics from men, it will for the most part be accepted as a feature, not a bug, and a natural part of her sexuality and reproduction – because it would be.

Seriously. Women would not go back to second-class citizen status and being sexually controlled, just because her having a previous sex life would make *your* cum less genetically special.”

And now to watch the horde of woman-haters descend… or more likely just watch my post get deleted.

Mij
Mij
5 years ago

I call dibs on Cuckolding Slut Face as the name of my <genre> band.

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

@Drezden

Heh, yeah that ain’t much better. So strange, who even decided this was something to put in energy drinks? I heard that Taurine basically doesn’t have any effect on our body so why is it found in so many energy drinks? Is it for flavoring?

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Vanir85
You made a cogent response on the ROK website. And you’re brave to post there.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

@Kat and Cinzia,

yes I’ve been marvelling at that contradiction ever since I first learned of Roosh and his followers. They loathe promiscuous women, yet devote their lives to pursuing relationship free sex. I have a horrible feeling this why Roosh likes to go around coercing and intoxicating women into sex; in his world, nice girls don’t want to, and they’re the only kind he wants.

D.T. Nova
5 years ago

What.
This defies logical response.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

What exactly is Slut Face? And what makes them think they can tell by looking at someone how many partners they’ve had?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ sn0rkmaiden

I think you’re looking for reason where there is none.

If however you assume that Roosh and his ilk are driven solely by a hatred of women and a wish to see them humiliated and terrified then everything they do makes sense, from the language to the rape ideology.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

I read the comments. The stupidity there is painful to behold. A few have taken Roosh’s idea of “vaginas absorb sperm” and stretched it even further:

Hah. This has been a theory of mine for years. Then again, we know the body absorbs liquids applied topically, so it’s almost a no-brainer in a way.

Leading on to…

They [feminists] WILL find a way to spin this and celebrate promiscuous sluts even more, such as

“Look ladies! it’s totally OK to seek out hot guys and let them cum all over you! You will fuse with those sexy lil swimmers, and when you do find Mr. Right [beta cuck], and you have his children, those children will also have the sexy genes from your past sexcapades – creating the best offspring possible!!! So don’t let the insecure men hold you down, go get as much facials from hunks as possible!!! Make the best offspring possible, be strong!!!”

This one, below. What the everloving fuck.

Consider now that any woman holding a full load of semen in her mouth, or multiple loads at once, may subject herself to seminal fluid being sublingually absorbed into her body by crossing the mucous membrane under her tongue and into her blood stream to be microchimerized into her genetic makeup.

A good variable to test in the above experiment would be being whether the female subject has eaten prior to swallowing a large amount of random sperm or whether her stomach is empty. This may affect the level of microchimerism occuring after group oral sex and whether or not the remarkable neutralizing effect of seminal fluid buys enough time for the nutrient rich male semen to enter into her bloodstream.

As a bit of credit, I do hold a biomedical science degree and most people here who have studied a bit of pharmacology in their own time will know how easy sublingual administration is (as fast as 1 minute for some drugs to enter the bloodstream under the tongue).

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Buttercup
I don’t even know. It, along with the 1000 Cock Stare, has got to be completely arbitrary and subjective to each different ROKer. Considering that one of the comments said this (I’m really digging out some gold nuggets here):

If I’m seeing a girl, and I even get the slightest gut feeling she’s banging another dude while she’s with me, or in close time frame, I’m not only subconsciously less attracted, but I’d swear there’s a natural biological disconnect as well. Maybe it’s the sense that her genetic code was slightly altered since the last time we had sex.

…then I’m guessing their idea of whether a girl has Slut Face is based on nothing more than random ideas and feelings Man Logik.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

I feel I should throw the Blockquote Mammoth a cookie for not botching up my posts. A cookie for the Strikethrough Mammoth too.

(Keep it up, you two. If you’re well-behaved I may feed you a freshly-caught, still wriggling MRA, sooner or later).

NicolaLuna
NicolaLuna
5 years ago

I have lost a couple of babies before they were born and I love the fact that some cells from any baby you’re pregnant with stays in your body. It means I’ll always hold my babies even though I never got to really hold them in my arms.

But no, it doesn’t change your DNA. Roosh, you jackass, I hope you never breed.

cupisnique
cupisnique
5 years ago

These RoK comments are amazing. . . there are idiots that actually think this and take the time to thoughtfully write out these comments . . . just what?

Somehow that guy pontificating about a scientific study on bukkake is just so brilliantly absurd, like you can’t even parody these guys.

cupisnique
cupisnique
5 years ago

Also don’t they realize if this were remotely true that they are having sex with women and thus absorbing DNA . . . I mean women also have fluids. . . but somehow they don’t get “slut face” or the “1000 vagina stare”

vliet
vliet
5 years ago

But who knows what us wimmin messed around with, exercising our dangerous agency prior to having yer baby:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT3ml-tcrSpk8IkQxtubvdqgoRrW4dGvCX4JP01YW0gGhKLWOpO5g

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We luv those bad boys!

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@cupisnique
Nah, they just become MOAR ALPHA. I think there is an achievement men can unlock whereas if they sleep with 1000 women they turn into Chuck Norris.

Wait, does that mean women everywhere naturally carry the same genes as Chuck Norris? If I absorb genes from another man’s sperm, can I then pass on those genes to the next man I sex? Can I set up a business where I bang a hot guy then bang a not-so-hot guy with the promise that it’ll improve his looks?

SO MANY QUESTIONS.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Sunny,
That last one is priceless. It’s like a really pretentious way to ask the pre-sex educated grade schooler question “can you get pregnant from kissing?”

nicholas bearde
nicholas bearde
5 years ago

Roosh doesn’t even know the half of it. Women actually co-evolved with men as a separate species. They started out as amorphous blobs of protoplasm that would prey on humans. Over time, as they absorbed more human DNA, they became more and more like us. they also reproduced through mitosis. Any genes absorbed by one female organism were passed on to the next one as a near exact copy.

I know this is all true because a similar process occurred with mitochondria. Therefore, I can extrapolate that it also occurred with feeemales and you can’t tell me i’m wrong because it means you’re “denying biology.”

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

WWTH
Every time I read it I find more nonsense I didn’t notice before. No dude, semen does not get absorbed under the tongue. It is not a drug (no matter how much you dunceheads insist). No, it does not get absorbed into the bloodstream. No, it does not lead to the cells becoming “microchimerized into her genetic makeup” because microchimerism doesn’t work that way! You’re using words you don’t know the meaning of! AGAIN!

epitome of incomprehensibility

This part from Myers’ article made me laugh out loud:

Given the tiny numbers and the insignificant contribution of microchimeric cells, the idea that semen modifies women’s appearance to give them “slut face”, whatever that is, isn’t just stupid — it’s daft. It’s also rather insulting to males: essentially 100% of the cells in our faces have Y chromosomes. We must have really slutty faces.

Also… hello again! I was away for a week without my computer, and I couldn’t spend too much time on my aunt’s, and I see that I missed a cool discussion about literary criticism and hobbits over here https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/09/04/who-took-down-roosh-vs-sites-this-week-danes-gays-jews-or-big-toilet-paper/

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Because you know, taurine has something to do with bull sperm which means you better put down that can of Monster or else YOU WILL GROW HORNS.

I want this to be a reality.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

…dear me, they actually think that you can absorb sperm cells sublingually?

Dear dudes. Last I checked, sublingual medications must be soluble, as medications administered that way primarily enter by diffusion.

Luckily for successful reproduction (and unfortunately for this unfortunate theory), human germ cells are not soluble.

If they were, we’d be in trouble. As a species. Because nothing would work. Seriously.

Also, microchimerism does not work that way.

Mitchel
5 years ago

It’s amazing to me how this idiot has any followers at all. I wish I could get on ROK, though. Still showing that error for me. I don’t like to miss “alpha try hard,” Troy Francis’s weekly tall tales.

katz
katz
5 years ago

Because you know, taurine has something to do with bull sperm which means you better put down that can of Monster or else YOU WILL GROW HORNS.

I want this to be a reality.

If it makes guys look (or better yet, act) like Marko from Saga, I’m down.

http://media.tumblr.com/560ade8e1b61de8be055e51b257f0d98/tumblr_inline_n60h41E4Ty1qzfyvp.jpg

pkayden
pkayden
5 years ago

What the what? Feel sorry for PZ having to rebut such a wild argument. Yet Roosh has fans who take him seriously. Yikes!

Ashley
5 years ago

China. He will likely die in China where all the women who aren’t married by 25 are actually called “leftover women.”

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Also don’t they realize if this were remotely true that they are having sex with women and thus absorbing DNA . . . I mean women also have fluids. . . but somehow they don’t get “slut face” or the “1000 vagina stare”

Or in the case of Roosh, the 30-rape stare.

Matthew Cline
Matthew Cline
5 years ago

Also, cool thing: We’re trying to figure out how to adopt salamander’s genes to be useful for people limb regrowing. If we do, it’ll be sweet! Still not ‘natural’ though…

If I added salamander genes to my cells would Whole Foods refuse to serve me because I’d be a GMO? Could I give people GMO cooties by breathing on them?

Carayak
Carayak
5 years ago

So, wait, is this like Spiderman getting “injected” with spider DNA, only it doesn’t even have to be radioactive?

I’m off to go ride the Alpha Cock Carousel and gain the proportionate strength of ten men.

Hellbent_4_Pleather
Hellbent_4_Pleather
5 years ago

According to Roosh’s article, this entire premise seems to hinge on whether sperm enters a woman’s body at some point in her life. So really, a woman can have sex with as many partners as she wants, provided a condom has always been used, thereby eliminating the chance of any part of her pure body from being soiled by another man’s splooge. It’s almost like a back-handed attempt to promote the widespread use of condoms, from a guy who doesn’t like to use them.

If there was any legitimacy to his article, then we’d have to worry about all the little Roosh bastards that he has indirectly sired across Columbia and Eastern Europe. Denmark, you are safe…for now.

Commenter
Commenter
5 years ago

Hm… maybe Roosh was just reading a few old copies of Der Stürmer? The Nazis, who were, after all, famous for their firm grasp of science (irony alert, needless to say), just “thought” the same: the pure Aryan maiden’s womb would be spoiled- and irreversibly lost to the Master Race- by even one drop of Jewish seed. Hence their vile attacks (among countless others) on Jewish-Gentile couples. It really is a rather distasteful parallel, to put it mildly, but given that this guy- who drags the the name of a noted Achaemenid emperor into the mud- is quite the anti-semitic nut…

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

JESUS CRHSIT I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THOSE PHOTOS THE FUCK

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I don’t get what’s so shameful about harboring a few alleles that aren’t from your parents. Genes get combined and recombined all the time. It’s not as if an individual’s DNA sequence is permanent and unassailable. It doesn’t persist for more than a few generations before being watered down by subsequent pairings (assuming you’re not the Hapsburgs). Roosh is just imagining that his cuckolding paranoia and purity fetish play out at the cellular level, too. Next he’ll be using bad science to prove that promiscuous women have “slut” quarks whose spin is permanently altered by “charm” quarks from Chad spooge. It’s fractal douchebaggery.

Maybe it’s not a bad thing that Roosh and his followers are constantly freaking out over slut-shaming woo. The smaller the pool of women they consider acceptable, the better for all of us.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@sunny – AIEE!!! I just threw a beer at my screen!

Fabe
Fabe
5 years ago

You know, if roosh ever gets arrested for something the media will have no shortage of creepy picture of him to use.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants | September 9, 2015 at 8:43 pm
@sunny – AIEE!!! I just threw a beer at my screen!

Did you at least bless it first?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Or in the case of Roosh, the 30-rape stare.

That would certainly explain why so many MRAs look like somebody’s glued googly eyes to their pictures.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Those Roosh pics.

I’m sure he thinks he’s projecting smoldering seduction vibes, but really, all I’m getting is a massive dose of Teh Creepeh.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Consider now that any woman holding a full load of semen in her mouth, or multiple loads at once, may subject herself to seminal fluid being sublingually absorbed into her body by crossing the mucous membrane under her tongue and into her blood stream to be microchimerized into her genetic makeup.

I take my thyroid meds sublingually, and it takes about 15 minutes for the pill to fully dissolve. Somehow I can’t picture a woman lounging around the house with a mouth full of jizz long enough for it to actually absorb. Also omg – my meds are derived from pig thyroid, which means I am part pig now, according to AssScience. Bonus! I shall await my truffle-finding super powers.

Hah. This has been a theory of mine for years. Then again, we know the body absorbs liquids applied topically, so it’s almost a no-brainer in a way.

Well yes, this is why when you’re thirsty you just jump in the shower, or put your hand under the tap. Soaks it right up in there, into all the cells and stuff. I have my foot in a pot of tea right now. Delicious.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Has anyone ever ridden their bike through a cloud of gnats and accidentally swallowed one? I guess we’re all part gnat now.

Also, if you eat meat, eggs, and dairy do you become part whichever animal you’ve consumed?

jillhorton
5 years ago

Oh my various gods …. Don’t post pictures of Roosh without warning! I almost punched my laptop!

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Has anyone ever ridden their bike through a cloud of gnats and accidentally swallowed one? I guess we’re all part gnat now.

Ridden bike AND walked. And it’s happened with mosquitoes, too. I guess that explains my urge to mill around in mid-air and emit high-pitched whining buzzes…

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@Paradoxical – Oops, no, I forgot to bless it. But I am burning sage to purify my tablet.

@Tracy – What kind of tea is it? It could be altering your ethnicity.