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Roosh V: Women incorporate DNA from the sperm of casual sex partners, causing “Slut Face,” cuckolding

No, dudes, your babies will not develop the facial features of your partner's previous lovers
No, dudes, your babies will not develop the facial features of your partner’s previous lovers

So PUA nimrod and would-be philosopher-king Roosh Valizadeh has put on his “science” hat again, reporting what he describes as the “two seismic implications” of a recent study of flies.

The first is that a woman can absorb enough DNA during her lifetime that it changes her phenotype (i.e. her appearance and overall health state). There could be some truth to the phrase “slut face” in which highly promiscuous women suffer a change to their appearance because of all the variable sperm from different males that have been deposited inside them.

Wat.

The second implication stems from the fact that it’s scientifically conclusive that single mothers have DNA of their bastard children residing permanently within their bodies. Any man who reproduces with a single mom will have a child that contains DNA from the bastard spawn, which of course includes DNA from the absentee father. This means that men can be genetically cuckolded without being traditionally cuckolded, and that having a baby with a single mom is essentially giving the father of her first child a bonus prize in the game of evolution.

Now I’m no biologist, but this seems like a giant stinky pile of horseshit to me. I mean, what the hell?

In the interests of actual science — as distinct from PUA “science” — I sent Roosh’s post along to actual biologist PZ Myers.

His first reaction was “ick.” And then he sat down and wrote a post in which he declared that “there’s literally nothing correct in any of that mess” from Roosh I just quoted.

Nothing. Roosh has imposed his faulty, biased interpretation on the work in a way that would certainly horrify the authors.

Naturally, the conclusions that Roosh draws from his completely wrong premises are also completely wrong:

For thousands of years, a woman’s purity was cherished above all else when it came to creating a family. Now the scientific community is confirming the validity of that practice. Until the science is settled, men who insist on reproducing with a promiscuous woman should at least demand to interview her previous sexual partners so he can become familiar with the men whose genes may be passed on to his future children.

I think it’s fairly safe to say that the only DNA Roosh will be passing along to future generations will be found on the kleenex on the floor next to his bed after he dies alone and unloved in whatever obscure country he ends up in because he thinks it’s the least feminist on earth.

You can see PZ’s full takedown here.

 

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freemage
5 years ago

Heh. I just came over from Pharyngula to tell everyone here about PZ’s article, not having realized you were the original source.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Roosh, do you have any idea how distantly related humans and flies are? This is like saying because some salamanders can regrow limbs, humans will naturally regrow arms.

Wait. No. It’s actually farther fetched than that, because at least salamanders are more closely related to humans than fruit-flies.

What is biology, Roosh?

frances
frances
5 years ago

This sort of reminds of something I once read on a white supremacist website, saying that any white woman who has sex with a black man permanently retains his DNA and could produce mixed children even years after the fact.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Also, cool thing: We’re trying to figure out how to adopt salamander’s genes to be useful for people limb regrowing. If we do, it’ll be sweet! Still not ‘natural’ though…

katz
katz
5 years ago

Also, cool thing: We’re trying to figure out how to adopt salamander’s genes to be useful for people limb regrowing.

I once had that as the premise for a horror novel.

chaltab
chaltab
5 years ago

God there is nothing positive you can really say about Roosh. Not only is he a horrible person he’s also just an unbelievably stupid jackass.

I guess you could say he makes a good receptacle for unwanted beer.

Micharion
Micharion
5 years ago

Wow, you know it takes quite a lot to make Liquid Snake’s speech on genetics look correct by comparison. Roosh has surpassed that bar. I think even Liquid Snake would call bullshit on Roosh’s understanding of genetics.

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

_I_ got all the _RECESSIVE_ genes!

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

Hah, Micharion got in before me 🙂

freemage
5 years ago

katz | September 9, 2015 at 12:36 pm

Also, cool thing: We’re trying to figure out how to adopt salamander’s genes to be useful for people limb regrowing.

I once had that as the premise for a horror novel.

A similar concept (involving starfish instead of salamanders) serves as a central McGuffin in the YA spy-story/romance The Arm of the Starfish, by Madeline L’Engle. (The book itself is a bit of crossover porn for two largely distinct lines–her very well-known Time Quintet and her lesser-known Austin Family books.) It’s a good read.

ReallyFriendly
ReallyFriendly
5 years ago

Oh my. Why didn’t Roosh move on to the obvious horror of horrible conclusions – how about SIBLINGS? Won’t anyone think of the SIBLINGS!?

I’m totally cuckolded by my whole family! Why did they have 2 kids? WHY?

That’s it, I’m creating a new movement called SGTOWADMSB – Sibling Going Their Own Way And Disavowing My Stupid Brother.

How dare he laden me with his Slutface! Y chromosome overload!

P.S. I pity the fool with more than 1 brother! Shudder…

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

It’s not just his stupidity, it’s his flagrant hypocrisy.

This guy claims to have slept with hundreds of women, so according to his pseudoscience there are loads of women carrying little roosh time bombs in their dna, not very responsible of him.

Then again, maybe that’s the whole point? Roosh knows he’ll never get married and have children, perhaps this is the only way he can convince himself that his genes will be passed on?

Falconer
5 years ago

There’s an early X-Files episode wherein the homicidal maniac of the week has regrown his missing arm and hand using salamander DNA spliced into his arm.

Only slightly less disappointing than the Jersey Devil being a feral woman, as I’m sure Shaenon can verify.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

a woman can absorb enough DNA during her lifetime that it changes her phenotype (i.e. her appearance and overall health state)

Uh, no. If that were true, I’d have tomato face.

single mothers have DNA of their bastard children residing permanently within their bodies

Double-no. If THAT were true, wouldn’t there be some kind of reaction, as there sometimes is with bone-marrow transplants?

And anyway: What does it matter if the kid’s a “bastard” or born in lawful wedlock? Makes no difference whatsoever. A kid’s a kid.

ScarlettAthena
5 years ago

Dude, do you even science?

hippielady
hippielady
5 years ago

Here’s a man who blocked by his own dumb

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Any man who reproduces with a single mom will have a child that contains DNA from the bastard spawn …

… Well, yeah, because they have the same mother. All children get half their DNA from their mothers, and therefore siblings will always share at least half their DNA. And it doesn’t make a difference whether the mother is single or married, because sex cells don’t check for a fucking marriage license before doing their thing.

I have a sneaking suspicion that somebody finally explained to him how human reproduction works but he couldn’t reconcile the 50/50 DNA split with his apparent belief that babies are straight-up clones of the father and women don’t supply anything other than a uterus. THE ANSWER MUST BE MULTIPLE FATHERS!!!

Goddamn. This is why sex education is necessary.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Also, I gotta ask: Which random idiot’s hideous DNA got left behind in Roosh’s mother from a previous pregnancy?

skiriki
5 years ago

Wowwwwwww. I thought that I had seen everything from “Camp Willful Ignorance of Science”, but this sure takes the bukkake.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

The rebuttal article linked to was very interesting.

Of course, transfer of genetic material can be quite useful; I like having mitochondria.

The distinction between ‘natural’ and ‘artificial’ can sometimes be a false dichotomy. People get worried about genetically modified food, but nature’s being stuff like that for ages. Some pea plants can produce haemoglobin for example. That’s seems to be down to direct gene transfer.

athveg34f
athveg34f
5 years ago

Honestly, how much must someone hate women that you’d have to come up with such clear woman-hating gossip to spread to other men already prone to hating women, for the sole purpose of making them hate women all the more?

I can’t think of anyone I’ve pitied so much in all my life. I’m not religious, but I would pray for that guy.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

The most disapointing thing in this? He has a bloody science degree and he can’t science.

Or he willfully misinterprets science.

I know no field is immune from having jerks (Dawkins), but I’d hope at least that science grads would have a little pride in their education and not blatantly misunderstand and misinterpret scientific literature.

Just a little.

I feel so bad for his professors, if the unfortunate souls even remember this kid.

spacelawn
5 years ago

Well that made no sense.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

*disappointing

I can spell. Sometimes.

Verily Baroque
Verily Baroque
5 years ago

…At least it will be really easy for him to get everybody to accept the “It was just a joke!!1!” excuse afterwards, because the idea that he is serious is just too unbelievable.

@Alan Robertshaw

Some pea plants can produce haemoglobin for example.

?!!?!

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

contrapangloss | September 9, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Also, cool thing: We’re trying to figure out how to adopt salamander’s genes to be useful for people limb regrowing. If we do, it’ll be sweet! Still not ‘natural’ though…

In the meantime, we can now 3D print prosthetic limbs (among other body parts) for people on the cheap. 😀

And they look badass (most likely because they can be customized for the person using it far easier than traditional prosthetics)!

http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/exo_0003_Layer-3.jpg

http://3dprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/evanfeatured.jpg

And have a cute video of one in action.

zblongladder
5 years ago

How stressful must it be to be this worried about being cuckolded yet simultaneously insatiably driven to find more and more implausible ways to consider yourself cuckolded?

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
5 years ago

Now I’m no biologist, but this seems like a giant stinky pile of horseshit to me.

I so appreciate this metaphor XD

Also, when I saw the headline on Pharyngula, I immediately guessed the source and decided to read here first.

Which random idiot’s hideous DNA got left behind in Roosh’s mother from a previous pregnancy?

It was Roosh IV.

(Sorry, I know the V is an initial)

anthropophobicameba
anthropophobicameba
5 years ago

I think I know what confused him. During a pregnancy, some cells with fetal DNA exist in the mother’s bloodstream. I remember reading something about small amounts of DNA remaining in the mother’s body after birth. Maybe he read that and completely misinterpreted the entire thing, thinking that the fetus’ DNA is spliced with the mother’s in every cell. And he apparently doesn’t know that eggs, unlike sperm, are for the most part present in the ovary-haver’s body at birth, and therefore wouldn’t be affected even if this was somehow true.

Harmonia LaLonde
5 years ago

So Roosh knows even less about biology than he does about women and that’s saying something.

maghavan
maghavan
5 years ago

So, you’re saying I should trust some pointy-headed ivory-tower academic over a guy who has banged his way across 7 continents*?

*Yes, 7! I have it on good authority that Roosh got busy in Antarctica. He wasn’t planning on it, but then a penguin got into the alcohol and got drunk so …. hey, it’s what he does!

Ledasmom
Ledasmom
5 years ago

This is something that used to be believed, a while back; if your valuable dog got pregnant by that handsome mutt down the street, she could never produce purebred pups and was considered useless. Somebody or other suggested something similar as an “explanation” for why married couples supposedly grow to resemble each other. Stephen J. Gould, quoting this, commented that “on the subject of why people resemble their pets, he was silent.” Can’t remember what the name used to be for this theory, and now all I can think of is one of the other theories they used to have, where there was a tiny homunculus inside every sperm and if it was male it had even tinier homunculi in its teeny homunculus sperm, and so ad infinitum.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Cholera bacteria can trade DNA with viruses. That’s how it becomes pathogenic. I guess that means evil women have the power to DNA jack innocent male viruses and use it make the menz shit themselves to death.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

This is beautiful.

Thank you for it.

cupisnique
cupisnique
5 years ago

“Given the tiny numbers and the insignificant contribution of microchimeric cells, the idea that semen modifies women’s appearance to give them “slut face”, whatever that is, isn’t just stupid — it’s daft. It’s also rather insulting to males: essentially 100% of the cells in our faces have Y chromosomes. We must have really slutty faces.”

That last part was pretty hilarious lol

cupisnique
cupisnique
5 years ago

Woah what a cool use of 3D printing!

CriticalDragon1177
5 years ago

David Futrelle,

It sounds like Roosh V is about as good at science as a creationist.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

cupisnique | September 9, 2015 at 2:28 pm
Woah what a cool use of 3D printing!

I know right? 😀

I’ve also heard stories of 3D printing hearing aids, organs (although that’s far off still), and there was a news story about a boy who got a thing 3D printed to help keep his airways open, since he suffered from a condition that caused them to collapse alarmingly frequently (and he’s not the only one).

Apparently, there’s a lot of things we can already 3D print for medicinal uses!

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago
Buttercup Q. Skullpants

When I got pregnant, the DNA from every man I’ve ever come into contact with waged a glorious all-out battle for world supremacy inside my fallopian tubes. I’m talking American Gladiator-style combat, with miniature tennis ball cannons and shit.

If you want to be a father, your nucleic acids had better be prepared to kick some serious double-helix ass, because gangs of DNA thugs are gonna be laying for them in there. It’s not enough for you to lift, bro. Your sperm needs to lift too.

ShakeB
ShakeB
5 years ago

I can’t believe I’m going to say something (very slightly, but not really) positive about this pile of BS but it’s not the worst misconception about foreign DNA in the body I’ve seen. That cake is taken by attributing autism to vaccines via the viral proteins used in some vaccines being made in a cell line derived from donated aborted fetal tissue back in the 60s.

At least in this case we are taking about whole cells being present and orders of magnitude more foreign DNA. It’s still horrible misrepresentation of the science, but not the worst I’ve seen in this field on the internets.

History Nerd
5 years ago

Roosh apparently has a bachelor’s degree in microbiology from the University of Maryland, College Park. He definitely should know better than to “creatively” interpret research literature like this. But even having a strong background in your field doesn’t mean you can’t decide to be a crank if it suits you. There are Moon Landing denialists who have master’s and PhD degrees in aerospace engineering from well regarded schools.

jfwlucy
5 years ago

I love you and PZ so this is like a double-scoop gelato treat!!

A.A. Wils
5 years ago

It’s about ethics in Slut-Faced microchimerism.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

GUYS. YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS.

YOU HAVE TO STOP DRINKING ENERGY DRINKS. RIGHT NOW.

Because you know, taurine has something to do with bull sperm which means you better put down that can of Monster or else YOU WILL GROW HORNS.

SCIENCE!

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

Telegony is a long-disproved theory (not a scientific one) that informed all sorts of strange and disagreeable cultural practices, including the biblical levirate. As for “slut face”, while both women and men who have (not confined to sexual) dissolute habits (e.g., Rush) tend to acquire a certain glazed, slack-jawed look, the only difference I have noticed between the merely sexually adventurous and those who are less so is that the former have a bolder, more outgoing demeanor, which most prospective partners find attractive.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

My mom was married to an Italian and had my brother and my dad- mother’s rapist is a man so does this mean I’m part Italian as well including being part man and rapist? I apologize I don’t mean to bring rape into this and I’m not trying to joke about it I’m just so confused.

Sunnysombrera
0-o wow you cannot be serious but it would be cool to grow horns. Also by that logic we shouldn’t eat honey because it has bee spit so if we eat that we become bees! And I also heard that some perfumes (I don’t know which) have some kind of animal’s urine so we shouldn’t use them either we might become that animal! The horror!

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

Roosh doesn’t believe a word of this “science.” He just wants to keep his brand relevant to everyone who hates women.

And Roosh–the deeply conflicted pickup king–is trying to ruin the game of all pickup artists by saying that the women who have sex with pickup artists are sluts. Do you think that women don’t know what you say?

Doodz, why have sex with these inferior beings? Look no further than your hand.

cinzia la strega
cinzia la strega
5 years ago

Roosh lists a B.S. in microbiology from the University of Maryland on his “resume” and has referred to himself as “a man of science.” Yikes.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
5 years ago

That cake is taken by attributing autism to vaccines via the viral proteins used in some vaccines being made in a cell line derived from donated aborted fetal tissue back in the 60s

Ugh, really? So that’s why they go on about ‘aborted fetus cells’, because of stuff derived from stuff derived from some tissue from the 60s?
Just… just UGH.

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