So PUA nimrod and would-be philosopher-king Roosh Valizadeh has put on his “science” hat again, reporting what he describes as the “two seismic implications” of a recent study of flies.
The first is that a woman can absorb enough DNA during her lifetime that it changes her phenotype (i.e. her appearance and overall health state). There could be some truth to the phrase “slut face” in which highly promiscuous women suffer a change to their appearance because of all the variable sperm from different males that have been deposited inside them.
Wat.
The second implication stems from the fact that it’s scientifically conclusive that single mothers have DNA of their bastard children residing permanently within their bodies. Any man who reproduces with a single mom will have a child that contains DNA from the bastard spawn, which of course includes DNA from the absentee father. This means that men can be genetically cuckolded without being traditionally cuckolded, and that having a baby with a single mom is essentially giving the father of her first child a bonus prize in the game of evolution.
Now I’m no biologist, but this seems like a giant stinky pile of horseshit to me. I mean, what the hell?
In the interests of actual science — as distinct from PUA “science” — I sent Roosh’s post along to actual biologist PZ Myers.
His first reaction was “ick.” And then he sat down and wrote a post in which he declared that “there’s literally nothing correct in any of that mess” from Roosh I just quoted.
Nothing. Roosh has imposed his faulty, biased interpretation on the work in a way that would certainly horrify the authors.
Naturally, the conclusions that Roosh draws from his completely wrong premises are also completely wrong:
For thousands of years, a woman’s purity was cherished above all else when it came to creating a family. Now the scientific community is confirming the validity of that practice. Until the science is settled, men who insist on reproducing with a promiscuous woman should at least demand to interview her previous sexual partners so he can become familiar with the men whose genes may be passed on to his future children.
I think it’s fairly safe to say that the only DNA Roosh will be passing along to future generations will be found on the kleenex on the floor next to his bed after he dies alone and unloved in whatever obscure country he ends up in because he thinks it’s the least feminist on earth.
You can see PZ’s full takedown here.
Well, he can’t come today, but he’ll surely come tomorrow! In the meantime, anyone want a radish?
Well Godot will be here after he finished his 17th cup of coffee
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Oh come on! Why, blockquote mammoth, do you always have to eat my ace attorney gifs? 🙁
@EJ Actually I love interacting with teens! When I was working as a math tutor my favorite age range to work with were the high school kids. Conversations like that?
Pretty commonplace actually. Not all the teens will act or talk like that, but the outspoken ones won’t be too far off at all.
It feels like they have the insatiable curiosity of their younger peers mixed with their growing adult comprehension leading to all kinds of ridiculous commentary about life and things. The humor they have? Just plain silly most of the time, but I actually enjoyed dishing it out with them.
It is a running joke with my girlfriend that she will look after them when they are smaller (she loves working with younger kids) and I will handle the teenage years. I’m good with that 8p
Our children, oops, forgot point of reference.
Can I just mention how jelly I am that you can do web design? I don’t understand most of it (I can do basic HTML and CSS, but only in DreamWeaver, so I can see what the fuck I’m doing), so I specialize in printed materials, and everywhere I look, everyone wants an app. ; u ;
@GardenGallivant
Wow thank you! That was a really good explanation on the hemoglobin issue. I sadly know very little about how plants work, so to speak, so your answer was really educational.
I don’t think apps are done in HTML.
“Once again, I don’t understand how they expect non-promiscuous women to… exist, if they as men want to be promiscuous. It would only be able to happen mathematically if the world’s population of men was closer to, say, five, rather than the near 50-50 split we currently have. What do they even want?”
I think the answer to this question imo is they actual DO want women to be non-promiscuous, they are totally fine with forcing themselves on them or tricking them into sex. I mean their entire “game” “philosophy” is tricking women into having sex with them so they start off with the very premise that women don’t enjoy sex for it’s own ya know . . pleasure (or at least with those particular men i.e. themselves).
If their philosophy included any notion that women have sex because they enjoy it their whole worldview would fall apart. I mean, even the promiscuous women in their scenarios are only promiscuous because they want financial support, by preferably marrying a Chad which is why they go around riding the cock carousel trying to hook onto one of these Chads, but of course silly womenz those Chads are just using you! So they ride the carousel until they’re over the hill and then slunk off to the betas of the world and try to snag them as a last resort.
What in the blazes?!?!?!? Where the hell does he get this shit from!!!! Wow
@EJ I’ve no clue what was going on there, but that conversation was glorious. And, it made more sense than anything Doosh has ever said.
@SFHC
Scene 1
(Me is speaking on the phone with Him, her brother.)
Me: There are advantages to being a college graduate.
Him: But you didn’t graduate from college.
Me: Yes, I did.
Him: You did? Congratulations.
Me: Thanks.
Scene 2
(Me is speaking on the phone with Her, her mother.)
Me: Him didn’t know I graduated college thirteen years ago.
Her: I told him!
Honestly, this is my favourite post you’ve ever come up with (or should I say unearthed from the shit pile) Either way, its so far out as to almost lack any basis in reality. I just had to pinch myself to make sure I was awake. Kudos to PZ Myers for taking that one down.
http://www.rooshv.com/the-male-thirst-epidemic-is-primarily-caused-by-porn
Words of wisdom from the King of the PUAs.
I don’t know about you guys but if I was “banging” women at the rate Roosh claims to be “banging” women I would be going round all day with a big smile on my face.
Read the comments on that article. It’s worse than MUFON the way his followers just lap up the words of the Great Roosh like he was Jesus at the Sermon on the Mount.
The web ones are, I think the phone ones require different coding.
The most I can do is maybe make a music player in Flash anyways. I did that for an assignment once, and it was…okay. It looked cute, and I got a volume slider, which most people didn’t have and it impressed my teacher when I presented it to the class, but I could only get it to play one song. : I
As a biologist this makes me feel sick. (Student) Just ick, stay away from my field of study.
@EJ
Well that must of been uncomfortable :p
Wtf m8 trigger warning posts like this, it was the first thing I read this morning and I’d not been to the loo yet and I laughed so much I shit the bed. Where can I send a dry cleaning bill, thanks
Hipsterminator – Right?
I mean, if nothing else orgasms are wonderful stress relief. Dude seems pretty pent up for someone with so much game. /s on all of Doosh’s claims, not your point
Hipsterminator:
If you read some of David’s other posts about Roosh, specifically ones where he talks about sex, it becomes fairly clear that he derives very little pleasure from the act itself. I forget if he’s actually used the word ‘chore’ to describe it, or if that’s just the impression I’ve gotten from the quotes, but he really does seem genuinely disinterested in any aspect of sex other than how other men perceive him because of it (or at least, his claims of it). That whole mentality of ‘women are not the opposing player, they are the ball’ just oozes out of every line he types.
@Hipsterminator,
Where are all these attractive men paired up with ugly women? Or is it just that Roosh’s idea of an attractive man is, well, someone who looks like him?
@Freemage, you’re right – he doesn’t seem to get much pleasure out of it other than he’s just ‘won’. I don’t know if that’s sad or terrifying (or both).
Just when I thought Roosh couldn’t say anything dumber than he aleady has
@Robjec:
Would you kindly elaborate on why Roosh’s pseudoscience was fictitious? The entire concept he’s proposing seems biased and facetious, judging by the casual use of the words slut and bastard child. I’m an animal science major, and I’ve never heard anything about human children inheriting parts of DNA from multiple male partners the mother has had before being inpregnated by the father. In many promiscuous mating systems in the animal kingdom, males have several ways of ensuring that their sperm gets fertilized before other males, even if the female mates with those males afterward. One instance is the use of sperm plugs, which is sperm that hardens around the female’s vagina after sex. It prevents other male’s sperm from entering the female when he attempts to mate with her. By the time the plug falls out, the original male’s sperm will have fertilized with the egg to produce a zygote that will carry half of the male’s DNA into her offspring.
Also, the physiology, reproductive system, and genetics of a fly are very different from that of a human being. I could research more and provide elaboration, but we’d be here all day if I tried to post and properly cite relevant information.
Also, slut faces? Physical appearance was completely irrelevant in the original study Roosh referenced. It was studying the effects of brain function and developing Alzheimer’s in a pregnant woman that fetal microchimerism had. Your bias is showing, Roosh.
Just learned that microchimerism is an incorporation of cells from a genetically different individual into the host body, but it is NOT an actual incorporation of cells filled with that individual’s DNA (that’s cloning, big difference). Here’s the reference.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/09/09/mra-science-madness/
I love GamerGating PUA maggots and rebutte their BS with this stuff, thank you!
@Dana Pelligra
Actually telegony is real. At least in fruit flies there is a reward for being the first male with a female. Some of characteristics of the 1st male fly’s genes get passed onto the subsequent offspring even thought they were sired by a 2nd male fly. So basically the female fruitfly’s young reproductive system is influenced by the first male that injects semen into her and the 1st male fruit fly, even if no offspring are sired, gets the consolation prize that many of his epigenetic attributes will be passed on for as long as the female has offspring. 1st place stays with the female. There was an article in the Telegraph about this. They DO suspect this works in mammals as well since fruit flies share 75% of our genes.
If confirmed for humans, what this means for the social status of women, paternity rights and the willingness of men to accept being 2nd or 3rd or 10th place genetically will remain to be seen. Indications are that it will merely increase the competition between men for the youngest of women as the payoff appears to be incredible. The 1st male inside a young female will have his attributes in her offspring as long as she has children, meaning genetically that male is a part of the female reproductive system and her children indefinitely. The payoff is way too huge to be ignored by men.
Socially I believe this will have an affect on male temperament of female promiscuity, as Roosh’s blog shows that it triggers male outrage. And like it or not I think that is a natural response to discovering threats from other males. From the female point of view I doubt this would stir much ire as it is a biological variant of the whole multiple males contributing to their children idea, however, it does reveal how valuable virginal females are from a genetic point of view. And explains a lot of the ancient tribal customs to ensure virgin brides. And with that the male desire for 1st place status.
Blogs like the Mammoth can attempt to write off the effect it will have on the male ego but in the larger scheme men will be forced to confront the fact that many of the guarantees they rely on to make sure the children are theirs (marriage, paternity rights etc.) might be sabotaged by this epigenetic shadow. This information may also upset some of the institutions we rely on to assign parentage: consider a woman could potentially name every man she slept with as owing child support to her. What will probably happen at first is it will simply increase the pressure for men to claim females as early as possible lest you lose out in the genetic sweepstakes. Meaning more angry blogs at women who attempt to seek alphas and burden betas with their spoiled bodies etc. etc.
Wait…what happens with women who have multiple female sex partners? Oh wait, this is Roosh we’re talking about here. Lesbians don’t real! Right…my bad, I’ll see myself out.
“Now I’m no biologist, but this seems like a giant stinky pile of horseshit to me. I mean, what the hell?”
You don’t SEEM to like it? Who cares what you seem to like…
.. actually this theory explains a lot, including Prince Harry’s red hair.
Yeah, wait a year for the thread to clear out before trying to get the last word in with your horseshite Sammy. No one likes horsehite nor should be obliged to like it.
And Prince Harry’s red hair? WHAT OF IT? I know you’re trying to accuse some whore of infidelity, but I’m sure DNA would love to prove you wrong… as usual.
It’s clear that you don’t like this site but… then again….. who cares, huh?
@Sam
None of Roosh’s theory is true.
And if it were?
BFD. If you don’t want to raise a child who’s partly some other guy’s child(!), then DON’T HAVE SEX WITH WOMEN.
I understand that some lovely new sex dolls will be coming on the market at any moment now.
Harry’s hair is not a mystery, or a hint at some scandal. Diana’s brother was a redhead as a young man.
Good grief.