The Ask the Red Pill subreddit (r/AskTRP) is an odd little creature. While the main Red Pill subreddit is an arena filled to overflowing with comically swaggering self-proclaimed alpha dogs, all competing to out-alpha one another, AskTRP is an endless parade of insecurities.
Ostensibly a place where uncertain Red Pill newbies can turn for advice and worldly wisdom from experienced “alphas,” the subreddit is really an object lesson in the many ways “red pill” thinking can fuck up your life and your relationships. The questions being asked are cringeworthy; the answers only a little less so.
One hapless would-be alpha wonders what to do about his girlfriend … walking in front of him.
Still very knew to TRP. Im not exactly sure how to respond to this. If its a shit test or a symptom of failing many shit tests all together. Anyways, whenever we walk (which we do often, bring dog to park, around the hood, whatever) she tries to walk a half step in front of me.
The horror!
Last time we were walking back the 3 blocks from the market and I was in front she kept speeding up. So I would speed up, the pace got absolutely laughable. How would you deal with this, lets say walking through the park and she keeps jumping out front?
Instead of shaking this “knew” Red Piller and telling him to chill the fuck out because who fucking cares, you could just ask her to slow down a little jesus christ what the fuck is your fucking problem, the regulars offer an assortment of Red Pill clichés seemingly designed to heighten his insecurities and turn his girlfriend’s walking habits into some sort of contest.
Then you set the pace. Slow down and let her ass walk away.
To me this is a chance to play dumb games with her if that’s what she wants to do. Make stops when you want, change directions, go your own way and make her follow your lead.
When in doubt, act like a petulant teenager who’s never been in a relationship before.
Another newbie wonders what to do now that he’s no longer the buffest dude in his church group. No, really.
So long story short ive been going to church and most guys dont lift there or arent in very athletic shape, but today we got a new guy and when he went up to take the podium i felt sort of amogged (biceps wise).
AMOG= Alpha Male of the Group. The dude was out-alphaing him with his giant biceps.
Dude was in a shirt showing off his building like frame and it got to me. My pride took a hit because i could literally feel the temperature rising as the women and men stared in awe of his Sylvester stalone like stature.
I dunno, ask him out, maybe?
How do i deal with no longer being the one with the most impressive biceps? Can i supplement it with other things? For example, im 3 years older than the dude and i have good game, more knowledge about women’s nature than he does, so do you think its not the end of the world no longer being the most ‘alpha’ looking of the group?
And a would-be alpha teeters on the edge of self-awareness.
I am starting my bulk next week because i realized im not as big as i could be.
… and plunges back into insecurity.
And no, im not insecure im just curious about how to stand out as alpha amongst someone twice your size. The girls were giving me the googly eyes before and id like to keep it that way. I must stay AMOG .
Dude, get a grip on yourself.
In this case, the advice is much less cringey than the question. Sure, there’s one guy who tells him he absolutely needs to get bigger and buffer than his new rival, and another who sniffs that “‘going to church’ is kinda beta in my books,” but a few others tell him to, you know, not get so fixated on the size of another dude’s biceps, because that way endless insecurity lies.
there’s always going to be somebody bigger and better at something than you are. you should work on not letting it effect you more than you should work on getting bigger than the bigger guy or smarter than the smarter guy.
Elsewhere in the subreddit, another would-be alpha is stunned to discover that, contrary to a lot of Red Pill “teachings,” acting like a serial killer doesn’t always inspire adoration from the ladies. After snapchatting flirtatiously with a new prospect, he reports,
she tells me I scare her. I ask how do I scare her and she says she gets dark vibes from me. One of my public snapchat stories was a demonic doodle for shits, gigs, and boredom. I tell her she’s not wrong (I told her in an earlier convo that I’m an asshole) and that she gives off soft sensual vibes.
That’s a first for me to be told I’m scary. I’m not overly concerned but I was surprised that the whole dark thing took a turn that made her stop engaging with me. I thought it was like catnip.
So, so close to self-awareness.
The regulars aren’t much help. “Amused mastery,” advises one. Take her for a ride on your motorcycle, advises another. Still another suggests what he apparently thinks is “humor.”
[Agree] & [Amplify] with a sexual twist. “Yeah I get that a lot cuz I make the ladies scream” gotta be witty man especially when texting / snapping sexual stuff.
Another notes that real serial killer types don’t actually try to come across as serial killer types.
Dark triad isn’t attractive as such imo; there’s an overlap between alpha traits and dark triad traits, sure, and that is what the girls want while the rest is a turn off. Actual psychopaths wear a facade and don’t show their true colors when they want to manipulate people; there’s a reason for that.
WWTBD: What Would Ted Bundy Do?
In another thread, an aspiring alpha wonders if it might be a good idea to read something other than The Red Pill subreddit or self-help books.
So I woke up today and I work through tasks for like 4 hours, rest, go to the gym, watch a movie (going through the IMBD top 100 so I catch up with pop culture so I can entertain a conversation with a boring girl sometimes),
Wat.
then right back to cleaning room / washing clothes. I was thinking about getting a fiction book from this list:
He links to a rather unimaginative list of old-school literary classics that he found on a forum devoted to fitness.
But then I thought… “What would Red pill do in my position”. I could be meditating or continuing to read through Book of Pook or these other books but I feel like I should also be giving myself time when I don’t work. How valid is that? Lastly… fiction, or no fiction?
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I’m not going to bother with the answers here; suffice it to say that they’re a bit less cringey than the questions.
But it’s striking how many of these would-be alphas sound like the most insecure dudes on planet earth.
I mean, sure, everyone deals with insecurity. And there are few people more insecure than those who, like a lot of these guys, are starting to date for the first time. But fucking hell, man,
The problem isn’t just that “Red Pill” wisdom is turning them into assholes. The Red Pill is quite obviously amplifying their anxieties as well. It’s hard enough to introduce yourself to someone you’re attracted to, but it’s a lot harder if you’re also obsessing about being the Alpha Male of the Group.
Seriously, guys. Chill out. Trying to banish your insecurities by becoming the buffest dude in the church group — or the smoothest Game-spitter at the club — isn’t going to work.
The Red Pill won’t get rid of your insecurities; it will only encourage you to overcompensate for them with misogynistic macho bluster. You won’t emerge from your Red Pill training a happy, secure man who’s a natural with women; you’ll end up an embittered asshole preening and posturing on The Red Pill subreddit. And that’s the BEST CASE SCENARIO.
Fuck that. Be who you are. Read whatever books you want. Stop freaking out that your girlfriend walks a couple of paces ahead of you. Banish the word “alpha” from your life. Move the fuck on.
Okay, let’s see if I can dispense some real advice here to these poor benighted souls:
Dude, there’s no such thing as “shit tests”, and even if there were, this wouldn’t be one. She’s just a faster walker than you are. Or maybe she enjoys knowing you have her back, quite literally. Stop trying so hard to interpret everything she’s doing as some kind of masculinity test. It’s not. Just relax, and walk with her, already. And if you can’t keep up, you’re obviously out of sync, and maybe it’s better she found someone who’s actually up to her speed.
Dude, it’s CHURCH. It’s not a bodybuilding competition. You won’t go to hell for having thinner arms than that other guy. Get over yourself, already.
Dude, I have no idea what you’re on about. Read or don’t read, whatever you like. I sincerely doubt anyone’s gonna judge you by your reading list, unless it’s all Ayn Rand shit, or something like that.
Just get three Black Lotuses for your deck, and watch the girls swoon.
Alpha Black Lotuses, of course…none of that “my corners are smaller and less round” Beta crap.
Loved the Prufrock reference!
But, Jesus… talk about sucking all the joy out of movies and reading. Entertainment shouldn’t be a chore!
(Speaking of Jesus: did he even lift?)
Why do these guys feel the need to ask strangers on the internet for relationship advice? They have a perfectly good person they are supposedly involved with romantically to talk to.
But what do I know? I’m just a sneaky SJW blue-piller.
@ Moocow:
Sadly, there’s “married red pill”. There was one thread I found on their subreddit in which a guy admitted to locking his wife out of their bedroom for refusing to have sex with him. Others opine that they should have the right to hit their wives. They just end up getting worse.
This is what a Married red pill “sage” had to say to a guy who is upset his wife won’t have anal sex with him:
” If she won’t do anal then you’re not attractive enough to do it with, period. Dollars to donuts she did it with Chad before you and she’d do it again with another Chad (i.e. a dude of high enough SMV). You need to work on your shit, raise your SMV, get your Dread on, and generate some tingles.”
These guys are disgusting.
@brian:
“This new guy joined my choir and he has the deepest bass voice ever and it literally makes the entire room shake whenever he sings and I know the ladies love it, how can I make my voice deeper than his?”
“This dude jumped into my DOTA match and played way better game than I could right in front of this lass I’ve been trying to impress and now I think she’d rather have him, how can I improve my game?”
Wait, I’m not sure these are outlandish enough yet.
“I was walking down the street with a woman I’ve been casually seeing, and an airplane started barreling down toward us. Right before it crashed, some beefcake asshole ran in front of us and stopped it dead with the sheer power of his manly chest, and then gave us a smile with the most perfectly straight white teeth you can imagine (they actually sparkled in the sunlight). Now I’m worried that this chick won’t want to be around me anymore because there’s no way I can live up to something like that, what do I do?”
Re the speedwalking girlfriend:
Sure she could be playing some power game but I highly doubt it. More likely she likes to walk fast, he likes to walk slow. So her one step in front of him is a relatively comfortable pace she sets for herself to stay near her boyfriend. Thus when he sped up she was able to walk at a more comfortable pace for herself. Or maybe she does it to avoid conversation because walks are her time to think but she enjoys having him around her. Or most likely it is a perception thing and a half step for her really is walking right next to him.
“smoothest Game-spitter at the club”
This is gold.
For example, im 3 years older than the dude and i have good game, more knowledge about women’s nature than he does
I’m kind of curious why the church guy is sure he has “more knowledge about women’s nature than” the new guy. How is that immediately apparent to him?
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?ref_=ft_250
The IMDB top 250 is somewhat middle-aged dude slanted, I doubt a lot of young women think Shawshank Redemption is the greatest movie of all time.
@Brain
That would be amazing.
@brian while you’re doing that, please do the following (I’m super busy/lazy);
1. Collect stats on the negative ways women are treated by society (rates of domestic abuse, rape demographics, educational discrimination).
2. Invert all of the stats. Men/boys become women/girls and visa versa.
3. Post a rant about how unfair things are for men, clearly citing these statistics on one of the meninist or MRA subs.
4. Wait for redditors to respond to the stats, presumably bemoaning the matriarchy and her cruel grip on poor men.
5. Do an update post, linking to the original, quoting some of the responses, whilst also revealing the actual stats.
6. Watch the sweet backpedalling.
Amazing! A self-help forum designed specifically to break you and make you horrible! Going to them for advice is like getting someone to take your Human Decency to a nearby alley and beating the crap out of it! And when it’s buddy, Rational Thinking, steps in to stop the assault it gets shot in it’s genitalia. (Imagine Rational Thinking’s genitalia for a moment… DO IT! JUST DO IT!)
As already mentioned, the problem with their approach is all about the starting point. Girls are the objects of pursuit and desire – not people. As long as they never cross that roadblock their thinking will always be skewed towards serving themselves before the needs of their ‘targets’, and will basically be the genesis of many stupid things they will end up doing and thinking.
Guys, just remember this basic fact: Females are people too! So, things that other people can do, apply to them to!
Like: They can be talked to! No need to approach an army of internet advisers with questionable credentials!
Like: They have feelings and thoughts like you too! Puts things into prospective.
Like: They can be different from you! They may do things that are not what you do. Shocking!
Like: If they are in a relationship with you, it is typically not for the reasons you believe it to be (applies to everyone, listen up!). So don’t be too obsessed with what it is. The important thing is that they like you for who you are and you shouldn’t have to revolve your life around meeting that expectation. Take a chill blue pill and love yourself, mon.
A true alpha TeRPer would do wind sprints.
Oh God, this one gave me an idea. Replace “Woman I’ve been casually seeing” with “Woman I’ve had my eye on,” “Airplane” with “Van” and “Toward us” with “Toward her” and see how long it takes them to realise it’s a scene from Dr Horrible.
brooked:
Maybe he sees the new guy committing some ridiculous faux pas like treating women with respect?
@brooked – In fairness, The Shawshank Redemption is one of those movies that (back when I had cable) if I happened to find that it was on my reaction was, “Well, this is what I’m doing for the next few hours,” and I was a young woman then.
@Scented – That movie/series has singing.
How beta. /s
@Tom @Brian – All of that is brilliant.
Dude, just go for it, man. Ask him about fitness tips over coffee, talk about your common interests, go see a movie – just live, man, live and lift weights together. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship or something more.
Bro together, man, bro together.
I’m being serious.
Hilarious! One of the funniest posts I’ve read for a while. I especially like the one about the Sylvester Stallone – I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a woman who was attracted to him, and his physique was not exactly alluring either. To worry about that in such detail something else has GOT to be going on.
We’re bros, bro.
….And this is where the whole “if you want to know how to catch a fish, don’t ask a fish” concept goes so horribly wrong.
Who would’ve thought that Snapchat strangers who self-describe as edgy, demonic assholes might be a little offputting to women? Women love that unsettling feeling that they might end up in someone’s freezer! It’s catnip!
…And then they collectively decide that it isn’t that TRP is ridiculously wrong about what women find attractive, it’s that the guy didn’t give the correct Amused Mastery response. He tried the wrong cheat code and got booted out of the game.
I’m starting to think that RedPillers are people who would rather “win” a conversation than actually get laid.
That’s about how I imagine this will play out. The OP will rush to the gym, start his bulking program, and develop MOAR MASSIVE BICEPS. Then, to his dismay, he’ll discover that the girls are still falling all over the new guy because he’s decent, interesting, and sincere in his faith. They won’t give two hoots about the circumference of the OP’s guns, or his tired “day game”. So then he’ll start needling the new guy, negging him in public, trying to make him look bad, which will backfire spectacularly. The girls at his church will rush to the new guy’s defense. Then he’ll be back on Ask TRP, muttering about how women are all shallow, fickle bitches who only date assholes.
It’s the circle of jerk.
All this alpha male fetishization the red pillers are doing kind of sounds like the Marine Todd meme. An apocryphal tale of a Marine smacking down an ACLU loving atheist professor that was all the rage amongst American right wingers last year. http://gawker.com/marine-todd-is-an-awesomely-stupid-right-wing-meme-th-1555109402
In fairness, it is going to be pretty hard to compete with the new guy at church.
https://instagram.com/p/7WKo6fIh2Y/
@katz
That’s my favorite part. X3
Also FRENCHIE PUPPIES! I thought The Rock couldn’t get any more awesome! ^3^
Hah, you’re absolutely right. I didn’t even think of that, but it must’ve been in the back of my mind somewhere.