Antifeminist douchenozzles regularly mock feminists for caring about so-called “first world problems” like “manspreading” and rape and systematic gender discrimination. Unlike those trivia-obsessed feminists, those who’ve taken the Red Pill only concern themselves with momentous questions, like the age of a certain fictional spy dude’s onscreen paramour.
On the Red Pill subreddit, the regulars are up in arms over the news that in the upcoming James Bond film Spectre, the main “Bond Girl” will be a woman more or less Bond’s own age, rather than half of it: current Bond Boy Daniel Craig, 47, will be playing opposite 50-year-old hag lady Monica Bellucci.
I know, right?
In a post with 145 upvotes and 178 comments so far, Bea_OProblem reports sadly that Bond — James Bond — will be “paired with [a] post-wall woman,” the hideous uggo Belluci.
Movie executives have got the memo that pandering to alimony laden post-wall consumers is a lucrative cash cow. In this distinctly blue pill universe, the mysterious and suave international spy wants no one other than a 51 year old woman. Because apparently a mature woman is more alluring than a dozen young pert sluts.
Apparently Bea was so horrified by the news that he added a year to Belucci’s age; Google says she’s 50.
Adding insult to injury, Craig told Esquire magazine that he hopes his Bond won’t be “as sexist and misogynistic” as his predecessors in the role. “The world has changed,” he said.
Red Pillers are not taking the news well. After taking a glance at the picture above, one Red Piller reacted as though he’d seen the dead come to life:
Some thought that Bellucci, only three years Craig’s senior, looked less like his love interest than his mom.
![tillybb 9 points 1 day ago Funny how Daniel looks objectively loads better/healthier/younger when its women who use makeup & spend their days from puberty till the grave trying to look as good as possible. permalinksaveparentreportgive gold [–]Epicureanist 4 points 1 day ago Smoke and mirrors. Castles made of sand. That's all they are. permalinksaveparentreportgive gold [–]nemaxofredpill 5 points 21 hours ago Damn. I thought she looked good until you put her next to Daniel Craig. She looks old enough to be his mom. permalinksaveparentreportgive gold [–]redundanteater 3 points 1 day ago Bond might fuck her in order to get something more valuable (e.g. microfilm, launch codes, introduction to others, plausible cover, etc.), but she can't be a love interest.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/morebond.png?resize=456%2C482&ssl=1)
Others railed at the manginas who enabled this horrible thing to happen:
To be sure, a few brave souls acknowledged that Ms. Bellucci might not be the ugliest old lady they’d ever seen, but they were still having none of it.
In the real world, for what it’s worth, Daniel Craig is married to 45-year-old actress Rachel Weisz. Because, in the real world, not all men are obsessed with “bedding” women young enough to be their daughters.
Many of the assembled Red Pillers tried to convince their comrades that they personally Would Not Bang Ms. Bellucci, except perhaps in conditions of poor lighting.
![cover20 6 points 1 day ago I have lots of respect for her, OK. But that doesn't mean I would want to fuck her. One doesn't fuck a woman out of respect for her, any more than a woman fucks a man because he supplicates to her. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]McLarenX 2 points 1 day ago Of course. But if I had grapefruit balls and she was laying there naked in front of me in dim enough lighting, id hit it.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/grapefruit.png?resize=523%2C214&ssl=1)
Regardless of their personal answer to the WB question, almost all agreed that this was pretty much the end of the world.
I don’t know about you, but Mila Kunis as Rambo sounds kind of awesome to me.
@ freemage
The handling of race in the books is intriguing. Bond very much starts out with attitudes that you might expect from someone in England in the 50s. He does develop as he gets more exposure to people on foreign assignments though.
Race is a major feature in Live and Let Die. Felix Leiter makes the point that because of “race prejudice” the American authorities have stereotyped black people and assumed that black crime is all “street” stuff. The big Bond Villain of that book takes advantage of that. He relies on CIA assuming a black person couldn’t be the mastermind behind a scheme. It’s actually M (who doesn’t even like Scotsmen, despite Bond later ebbing retconned to be half Scots) who makes the point that there’s no difference between the ‘races’ beyond skin colour and you’re just as likely to find a black genius as a white one.
There are some stereotypical views in the books, some negative (Germans are all cold Nazi wannabees), some positive (Japanese people are all courageous and honourable), mainly though they’re expressed by the characters. Fleming himself was moderately liberal by the standards of the day.
As the books progress things get more nuanced and Bond ends up with friends and allies of every background (well, maybe not Russian)
@ Ikeke
I don’t know what the situation is elsewhere but in England:
Male Domestic Abuse Victims
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Male suicide
https://www.thecalmzone.net/
What else is it they always pretend are unaddressed ‘male issues’? I know they go on about the draft but we don’t have that here.
Anyway, in England at least it seems all MRA “concerns” have been dealt with so they can stop whinging now.
Thank you, frootloopsie. 🙂 It’s been years, but I just blew up a little, lol.
Ikeke: most days I kind of laugh, this article just hit me wrong, I guess, and I had a moment. I don’t know if I can explain, but, my dad didn’t shy away from anything female. He tried so hard to be what I needed. He actually hired women to teach me things like cosmetics, leg shaving, anything girly. He had to find out when girls have to go to the gynecologist for yearly check ups. NOTHING about me, or my hormones, puberty, NOTHING about my girlness put him off. He was always matter of fact, always trying to make sure I knew I had nothing to be embarrassed about or ashamed of.
But, I know the MRA boys would somehow label him as unmanly, or some such dumb shit. It angers me in a way that I can’t describe. I don’t know why it bothers me, I know it shouldn’t.
Actually, it would be Jane Ramba, with an ‘a’. Ramba (of Macedonia? I think) was an ancient female warrior, and from her is where the name “Rambo” came from originally, ironically.
“Thunderball” is the one James Bond book that I’ve read, when I was a teenager hospitalized with appendicitis. I was surprised how different it was from the movies.
It IS pretty sexist by today’s standards (even by 80s standards, when I read it).
Having said that, these douchebags *may* have stumbled accidentally into a point–if not just an interesting talking point about fidelity in adapting a character from a source material: Daniel Craig might not be sexist or ageist, but unfortunately the James Bond Ian Fleming wrote was. On the page, Bond was really a reflection of his post-WW2, Cold War-era world, and it showed: he was blatantly racist and sexist, seeing women much like MRAs do, as sexual objects good for one thing.
But now the question is, should the new movies respect that? Our world has become more progressive, should a character who harkens back to oldschool ideals be as well in the name of accurate depiction?
And the answer is: I dunno. This isn’t like the new ghostbusters being female or Jonny Storm being black. His sexism and racism are kind of defining characteristics, so to alter them would be kind of a fundamental misreading/misunderstanding of the character.
On the other hand, life imitates art, and modern writers have a responsibility to show that shit like this just isn’t acceptable anymore.
Of course, I’m sure those Redpillers weren’t thinking of any of this, but rather: “A post-wall woman? Ick!” What a bunch of wankers!
Raysa
Your dad is the definition of ‘awesome’, tell your father there’s nothing to be ashamed about what he has done and believe in and don’t let Mras or any other misognists tell you and your father otherwise.
Freemage and Josh miller
Those would also blow gaskets everywhere in the manosphere.
@raysa
Are you secretly a character in a Regency novel? Because, yes, your father hiring people to teach you makeup and things is, um, sweet, but also feel like something a rich widower would do in a Jane Austin novel.
That might just be because I’ve been reading Pride and Prejudice but STILL.
I would totally watch Mila Kunis as Rambo. That sounds great!
@Josh Miller: Unless the Bond movies are supposed to be period pieces, there’s no reason for a modern Bond not to fit with modern ideas of acceptable behavior. If his sexism and racism are a product of the times, then the times have changed and he should change with them. If his sexism and racism are not a product of the times, then why are we rooting for this guy anyway?
@Raysa: I am so sorry you and your dad had to go through that. I hope you’re both doing okay these days, though. *hugs*
@rikalous: Good point. Sure, 007 may have been somewhat sexist and ethnically prejudiced by today’s standards, but, AFAIK, he really was fairly in line with the general social standards of the U.K. of the ’40s and ’50s.
I would argue that keeping Bond’s early prejudices actually undermine the characterization now. His main quality is not a specific trait but a general look-and-feel, and if he’s supposed to come across more “debonair” than “creepy uncle” nowadays, he needs to lose the sexism.
If Bond were a genuine human being today he’d most likely be dead. Because he started out as a WW2 veteran (books) and certainly wasn’t leading the sort of lifestyle which gestured toward a long lifespan (smoking to excess – eighty a day is a four-pack-a-day habit, excessive even for the fifties; drinking to excess; not eating a very varied diet – excusable to a degree, since he’s in a post-war England where rationing is still a Thing; gambling etc). So what he’d be most likely to be doing is rotting.
The Red Pill boys are welcome to join him in that, should they so desire.
@ magpie
The whole plot of Thunderball starts off when Bond is ordered to attend a clinic because he fails his physical due to his smoking, drinking and terrible diet.
But it’s Monica bellucci. Are they serious?
I’m married to a slightly older woman who’s roughly eighteen months younger than Monica Bellucci, and I’m willing to bet that the quantity and quality of our sex life completely eclipses that of any MRA that you care to mention. If anything, it’s been getting steadily better in recent years.
Everytime I try to reply to those that speak to me, I get a duplicate comment message that will not let me post. I can’t figure out why.
So, thanks to the posters that replied to me. I don’t post much because I always get that duplicate message, and it seems so rude not to reply. But apparently, I can’t. So it’s back to lurking for me.
@ raysa
Don’t worry. WordPress seems to just get stroppy at times so it’s certainly not picking on just you.
Your dad sounds ace by the way.
Raysa: If the reply function isn’t working, you can always blockquote manually or just mention people by name. (And I at least won’t find it rude at all if you don’t reply to me specifically.)
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