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Could gun control drastically cut male suicide rates?

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Men’s Rights activists like to remind people that men commit suicide far more often than women.

But that’s not because men are many times more miserable than women. In fact, women are far more likely to attempt suicide than men. They simply don’t succeed at it as often as men do.

The reason for this is simple: men tend to choose more lethal methods of suicide than women. And that often means guns. Indeed, most gun deaths in the US are the result of suicide, not murder.

Could we reduce the number of suicides by making guns harder to get hold of? A new study in the American Journal of Public Health suggests the answer is yes.

Researchers Michael D. Anestis and Joye C. Anestis from the University of Southern Mississippi, Hattiesburg looked at the effect four different kinds of gun control legislation — waiting periods, universal background checks, gun locks, and open carrying regulations — had on suicide rates, finding that

[e]ach law was associated with significantly lower firearm suicide rates and the proportion of suicides resulting from firearms. In addition, each law, except for that which required a waiting period, was associated with a lower overall suicide rate. Follow-up analyses showed a significant indirect effect on overall suicide rates through the proportion of suicides by firearms, indicating that the reduced overall suicide rate was attributable to fewer suicide attempts, fewer handguns in the home, suicide attempts using less lethal means, or a combination of these factors. States that implemented any of these laws saw a decreased suicide rate in subsequent years, whereas the only state that repealed 1 of these laws saw an increased suicide rate.

This isn’t the only study suggesting that restricting access to firearms could dramatically lower suicide rates.

A 2013 study by researchers Justin Briggs and Alex Tabarrok at George Mason University found that in the United States from 2000 to 2009, each “percentage-point decrease in household gun ownership leads to between 0.5 and 0.9 percent fewer suicides.”

And the effect has been seen in other countries as well. Australia saw an 80 percent reduction in suicides by firearm after adopting stricter gun control laws and instituting a large-scale gun buyback program in the 1990s; there was no rise in suicides by other means.

This last finding may strike some as the most puzzling one. If someone is intent on killing themselves but no longer has a firearm in the house, wouldn’t they just attempt suicide in some other way? Surprisingly the answer is generally “no.”

As Briggs and Tabarrok noted in a Slate piece explaining their findings,

contrary to the “folk wisdom” that people who want to commit suicide will always find a way to get the job done, suicides are not inevitable. Suicides are often impulsive decisions, and guns require less forethought than other means of suicide—and they’re also deadlier.

MRAs who are serious about reducing the number of male suicides — not just using male suicide stats as a cheap debating point — need to start talking seriously about gun control.

Here’s a video from VOX with more information on the subject:

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Harry Underwood
5 years ago

Reblogged this on Pink Peach News and commented:
Something of interest to the lives of GBT men and boys:

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

But gun control is something that people on the left want. Therefore, it’s not something most MRAs are going to take up. It force them to align with the ess jay dubyas. Ideological purity is more important than the well being of suicidal men.

ShakeB
ShakeB
5 years ago

One of the most disturbing experiences I’ve had was getting a call as I was getting ready for work (around 11pm since I was on midshift that week) from my roommates girlfriend asking me to go get her handgun from under my roommate’s bed since she had been over earlier in the night and was worried about the state of mind my roommate was in. Roommate was out (not far it turns out, passed drunk out in his car out front) so got her gun back to her without incident. Roommate went to rehab not long after and was doing well last I heard.

Qubrick
Qubrick
5 years ago

@WWTH, yeah, that’s the kind of thinking that tends to poison any sort of progress for men that MRA’s want because most every social reform that could stand to improve the lot of men tend to be associated with SJW movements, so they’re poisoned. That’s even before you get into the ultra-masculine and individualist tendencies of the manosphere that discourage societal or structural reforms by mythologizing the individual.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

That ease of method is a major factor in suicide is well understood in the mental health community.

There’s a myth that someone bent on suicide will always find a way but that’s not the case.

In the UK the most common cause of suicide used to be sticking one’s head in the oven. Then we changed to a different type of gas, one that was not lethal. Suicide rates dropped by a third; that was pretty much the number of people who had previously used the oven method.

Even a minor impediment can stop a suicide. Putting a 5 foot barrier on a bridge will pretty much stop all suicides there. Climbing 5 feet is not difficult so you’d think someone determined to kill themselves would manage that, but they don’t.

It’s difficulty to assess what impact the handgun ban had on suicide rates in the UK as even when they were allowed, the death rate from guns was generally so low that the Government didn’t bother to record which were homicides and which were suicides.

Hipsterminator
5 years ago

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entireties
entireties
5 years ago

i feel like using a joke image like the one featured above when discussing suicide by gun is incredibly distasteful

ikanreed
ikanreed
5 years ago

@Hipsterminator

I’m not sure why that would be. The usual hacktivists like 4chan and reddit seem like Roosh’s customer base.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

If there’s one thing I learned about gun-nuts: even when given piles of evidence as to why even the most sensible regulation will work, they will instantly equate it all to prohibition (apparently they don’t understand how language works) and why incidents likes mass shootings “prove” we “need” more guns. ‘Cause reasons.

I used to tolerate them, even didn’t mind guns or gun-ownership, but they have made it increasingly difficult for me to empathize on any level – especially once they get to self-victimizing and equating themselves to oppressed minorities.

It seems they can’t accept that a gun is a dangerous tool and make it into something symbolic, even though owning that tool is not even necessary and protecting lives against misuse of them just makes practical sense. But they don’t think practically – if they did, they wouldn’t put so much emotional stake in an inanimate object.

mistressoflarry
5 years ago

@entireties, just my experience re:image. When I first saw the image I too looked for “the joke”, but noticed David didn’t add a snarky caption and then thought it was more a statement on who the victims of gun violence really are, which is not funny at all.

MRAs! This is your chance to make a difference! Start a support group in your area, organize a fundraiser for veterans support! Common, I’m woman, if you can’t take joy in helping your fellow man, take joy in proving me wrong! I don’t think your capable.

Re: suicide, men or otherwise, I’ve read different efforts in the U.S. to reduce suicide through structural deterrents , one of the more recent was to add a suicide net to the Golden Gate Bridge. These methods of detours work, but need to be supported by solid mental health system. Having used the Suicide Hotline myself in times of duress, I appreciate the people working there… But there’s a lot of room for improvement.

I don’t doubt the study cited at all. I would love to see gun control in the U.S. strengthened for many reasons, including this one.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ NIckNameNick

they wouldn’t put so much emotional stake in an inanimate object

Ah, but inanimate objects can be powerful and almost sacred symbols. Of course, when that symbol is also a weapon then you get problems. It’s unsurprising that the gun is so mythologised in US culture considering the post insurrection history of the country. The dominant culture in the US wouldn’t have got their without the gun. The difficulty is that whilst there’s an argument that the problems of guns outweighs the nostalgia value that’s a hard sell.

Over here we allow Sikhs an exemption from the ban on carrying knives to recognise the symbolic significance of the 5Ks; but Sikhs aren’t stabbing tens of thousands of people a year. If they did, we’d probably have a rethink on the whole knife thing.

mistressoflarry
5 years ago

I mean, “I’m a woman.” ugh.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ mistressoflarry

I just assumed the ‘hear me roar’ was implicit.

glockslinger
5 years ago

The quick asnwer is NO. First, a landmark study in the 1970s showed that, if a gun is unavailable, a suicidal person will simply choose another method. Lethality or non-lethality is another issue. Sometimes a suicide isn’t serious, but more of a call for help or attention. Women tend to do this more often than men, too. A truly suicidal person will choose a method that is nearly always fatal. Guns just tend to be more handy here in the U.S., so they get chosen more often. They aren’t a CAUSE. They’re simply the means. This is demonstrable in the fact that both Japan and France are virtually gun-free in comparison, and both “developed” countries, yet their suicide rate exceeds ours.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

Ah, but inanimate objects can be powerful and almost sacred symbols. Of course, when that symbol is also a weapon then you get problems. It’s unsurprising that the gun is so mythologised in US culture considering the post insurrection history of the country. The dominant culture in the US wouldn’t have got their without the gun. The difficulty is that whilst there’s an argument that the problems of guns outweighs the nostalgia value that’s a hard sell.

Actually, the gun fetishism seen today is historically recent – the NRA prior to the 1970’s not only promoted safety above all else but also supported regulation of firearms. The assassination of JFK, for example, made them adopt a policy to not have guns be mail-ordered anymore. The current incarnation of NRA actually came about due to white reactionaries worrying about the after-effects of the Civil Rights Movement as well as the activities of the Black Panthers.

Essentially, scared white people glorified guns even further as an excuse to protect themselves against “scary black people.” That might explain why gun-nuts were so adamant in protecting George Zimmerman, even though there was evidence he initiated a confrontation by refusing to listen to police and stalk a teenager while armed. They cared more about keeping “Stand Your Ground” legitimate than weather or not Zimmerman was guilty or not guilty for what he did.

Over here we allow Sikhs an exemption from the ban on carrying knives to recognise the symbolic significance of the 5Ks; but Sikhs aren’t stabbing tens of thousands of people a year. If they did, we’d probably have a rethink on the whole knife thing.

And, even if they did use knives, the damage done would still be less than what occurs with guns in the U.S.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

Sounds dangerously like common sense to me, David.

I do think this a good argument for gun control though. Sometimes actually having to think through and plan a suicide can be enough to dissuade a person from going through with it.

Mij
Mij
5 years ago

Why is “gun nut” not considered ableist?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

We also need to reform the mental health system and take away the stigma of men seeking help as being weak.

It’s not weak to need help. It’s human nature. We need to be taught that.

rugbyyogi
5 years ago

This is one of the very few areas where I think the MRA have a point – why is the male suicide rate so much higher? It’s a valid question. Alas, none of their answers make much sense. And since their blather tends to be about misplaced blame (it’s feminism’s fault!! or if not that, than the fault of beautiful young women that don’t want to please yer boner demand-free), that’s doubtless adding to the confusion and bitterness and despair of anyone who stumbles across their nonsense at a moment of crisis.

At any rate, I agree with the gun control and do believe that it would reduce the suicide rate in the US. The rate of gun ownership in the US is a clear and present danger to public health. However, gun control doesn’t appear to reduce the differential between men and women (at least in a quick comparison of US v UK suicide rates per 100,000 pop. over here at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate) The UK rate is about half that of the US and while I don’t doubt for second that’s partly about access to guns and perhaps access to mental health services and perhaps even access to income support and benefit services and perhaps some as yet unidentified and perhaps unexplainable cultural differences, but mostly guns. However, men still kill themselves at roughly 3.5 times the rate of women in both the US and the UK.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Mij

I would consider it ableist? Who said gun nut though? I didn’t see gun nut in the article.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@rugbyyogi

We need to remember that it’s not men how are killing themselves more, it’s men being more successful at killing themselves. Different wording makes a helluva a lot of difference at the end.

I wonder if this is because men own more guns than women? Do we know if a majority of guns are registered to men than any other gender?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ rugbyyogi

As I mentioned above, even before the handgun ban, the use of firearms for suicide in the UK was negligible .

So uncommon in fact that in the Jeremy Bamber murder case, where his defence was that his suicidal sister had shot her family then herself, the key plank of the Prosecution case was that suicides hardly ever use guns and women suicides never.

Don
Don
5 years ago

Wikipedia gives a good summary of this:

“Reasons for this gender difference may lie in women’s greater propensity to seek psychological and medical attention, suggest some psychologists. Younger women are more likely to resort to deliberate self-harm and attempted suicide, rather than suicide itself. Greater social stigma against male depression and a lack of social networks of support and help with depression are often identified as key reasons for men’s disproportionately higher level of suicides, since suicide as a “cry for help” is not seen by men as an equally viable option. Typically males die from suicide three to four times more often as females.”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Pandapool

Don’t know about the situation in the US, but in the UK it’s seems to be the case that women use less ‘messy’ suicide methods than men. So they tend to go for pills whereas men do the jumping in front of trains type things.

That’s one of the reasons that, whilst the attempt rates are similar for all genders, the ‘success’ rate is higher for men. You can vomit up pills but it’s harder to recover from jumping off a cliff.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@Hipsterminator, that put a smile on my face.

@ikanreed from what I understand it’s not too hard to figure out how to ddos someone. Not that I’ve ever tried.

Hipsterminator
5 years ago

@ikanreed

Who can that be? Let’s see now, shall we?

1. The citizens of Montreal and Toronto wanting revenge on Rooshy boy for laying waste to their cities.

2. The Jooz, Miss Sarkeesian is Jooish so she probably called up her ZOG (Google it) friends to crush the Revolution and enforce SJW/Mangina-ist repression. (After she got her ass handed to her at those gaming awards)

3. Various SJWs and Manginas who’ve learned to hack and want blood.

4. All of the above.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@Pandapool:

Looks like in the US it’s mostly men that own guns, although it evens out a bit when you talk about whether a person has guns in their household. I don’t think great statistics exist, though, because I think there are laws against gun owner registries. Score one for the modern NRA.

But generally speaking, like in the UK, in the US men tend to use more “final” suicide methods like guns and therefore tend to die more often as a result of suicide attempts.

@rugbyyogi:

Adding to Pandapool, and echoing the OP, women actually “attempt” suicide more often. It’s just that they don’t tend to actually die from the attempt as often.

The only “point” MRAs have regarding suicide is that there is a gender difference in suicide, and men tend to die more often as a result. Past that, they seem incapable of looking at the stats for “why” and how to address it, claiming that it must be because of feminism somehow. Or they just bring up the stat to appeal to a general idea of men “suffering” without going into specifics in order to legitimize the idea of an MRM in the first place.

The topic is fraught with difficulty in the US, far more than I used to realize. The NRA has morphed into an extremely powerful lobbying organization and has basically set the tone of debate with regard to gun control for the past few decades. Politicians can’t even talk about gun control properly without the NRA whipping up crowds of angry and scared gun owners like Redditors faced with the possibility of a hate sub being banned.

All that bullshit about the latest powerful Democrat wanting to take away your guns and cart you off to FEMA camps really takes its toll.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Alan

That’s why I suggested the different wording. The first way makes it seem that men overall attempt suicide more while the other is more nuanced and doesn’t imply men are more suicidal than any other gender.

Hipsterminator
5 years ago

@Fnoicby

Actually it’s quite a nasty business and I don’t approve of it. You need to get a botnet of hacked computers that can be remotely controlled to keep accessing the site. It’s a form of cyber-vandalism that affects legitimate Internet use. Oh, and it’s illegal.

The botnet they’re using was probably already in use. It’s done by putting viruses on peoples’ computers which then take them over without the user knowing about it. Nowadays with always on DSL, it’s not always obvious that it’s happening. The machines doing it belong to innocent people around the world who have no idea what’s going on.

Pretty sordid business really. It’s why you should always use an anti-virus program or get a Mac or use Linux (They’re not so easy to hack into).

Mij
Mij
5 years ago

Second try.

@Pandapool

It was @NickNameNick who used “gun-nut” here.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Kirby

That’s a good point. My household has guns but they’re my father’s. He has the key and the gun cabinet is in his room.

I guess what should be looked into is who has the most immediate access to guns in a household, who actually knows where the guns are, who knows how to handle the gun, etc. If it’s more men than any other gender, that may explain why guns are the choice method in suicide than any other method.

The data already shows the more contact someone has with a gun, the more likely they die by a gun so it seems that if men tend to commit suicide more often with a gun, they would likely be in the majority for easy access to guns.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
5 years ago

Almost as if we care more about actually helping men and boys than they do, or something. Weird, feminists not wanting hyperdominance over all mannists everywhere?
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@weirwoodtreehugger

I totally agree – they can’t actually work towards real change in gun policy, or state that regulation is important (as a movement – individuals may vary). Progressive policies include icky social justice things, and for a lot of them, they see feminism as the very root of progressive thought.

Lower taxes (taxes are unfairly biased to take men’s wealth, whereas women get all the breaks!), more guns (guns are super manly!), fewer regulations (rules are just what tie men down!). Libertarianism, right-wing rhetoric, Christian Dominionism, Objectivism – MRA ‘philosophy’ is boiling away with those things in the same stew.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3747195/rabbit-stew-o.gif

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Yeah, I’d say “gun nut” is pretty ableist. Best if we avoid it.

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
5 years ago

@Hipsterminator / ikanreed

You missed one!

5. False flag! He’s DDOSing himself to try to make it look like he’s being unfairly persecuted by dem feministas! Are there no depths too low for those depraved females?

Also lizard people somehow, probably.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@Pandapool:

Well, according to this Gallup poll, three times as many men as women claim personal ownership of firearms. So that’s a thing. Maybe that implies that men would tend to have the greater access, since the guns are technically “theirs”?

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

I’ve already signed the one about the sisters in India, it’s been doing the rounds on facebook. Though what worries me is that those girls want to return to their village where they’ll be in danger for the rest of their lives. Even if their ‘sentence’ can’t be carried out, that won’t make them safe from cast violence.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Kirby

There we go! If the poll is reliable, 3x men claim ownership of guns so men have 3.5x more successful suicide rates. The .5x is likely the other violent methods, like trains and such.

You know what we should do? Promote less lethal methods of self defense: Tasers, pepper spray, etc. That should reduce the number of guns in the home, which will reduce gun related accidents and deaths. I mean, we have tasers that shoot out prongs now. Why do you need to use a more likely lethal method of defense when you can just shock them, right? That’s the #1 defence to owning a gun RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.

Put a higher tax on bullet and just make tasers in camo and have Batman promote them and BAM! More men owning tasers. I mean, Batman is manly and badass and HE doesn’t use guns. Don’t you want to be like Batman? He’s rich and gets all the ladies and he doesn’t kill people.

Use a taser.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Sleep darts would also probably work.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

What? A simple, practical, workable solution to the most “successful” type of suicide attempt there is? What are you, a FEMINIST?

Of COURSE the menzers won’t want to give up all their sweet, sweet bang-bang guns. Because then what would they have to keep women in the kitchen making them sammitches with?

(Or for that matter: a reason to claim men have more sadz than women, because MOAR SUICIDEZZZZZZ!)

Sissy
Sissy
5 years ago

Sorry for throwing this off topic, but I found this while browsing:

http://news.yahoo.com/this-california-law-is-helping-men-213035804.html

Small snippet from the article:

[Alfred G.] Rava told Yahoo News that he doesn’t see the value in women-focused events, even if they have no discriminatory intent. He calls the desire to hold them “strange and sad.”

(Rava refused to speak to me on the phone because he said he was concerned Yahoo News would misquote him. He also later emailed me to say: “I hope you print all sides to your story, because I am sure you would not want someone to publish a story about you on the Internet labeling you a ‘predator,’ a ‘gigantic bitch,’ an ‘elitist,’ a ‘soulless harpie,’ a ‘narcissist,’ and a ‘dumb woman,’ without that story presenting facts or opinions to the contrary.”)

Just… ugh. I’m going to shower with a Brillo Pad now.

Hipsterminator
5 years ago

@Scildfreja

I thought of that one…. for about four seconds. There’s 2 problems there.

1. He would need to be very smart to know how to set something like that up. Alternatively he could be very rich and pay someone in bitcoins to do it. (It’s a job for the Darknet). How much did he make off his World Tour again?

2. He would need to be very stupid to actually do it. With CloudFlare investigating, he would be caught quickly, possibly be arrested and his site would be shut down.

Then again, we’re not talking great minds here.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Also get rid of guns for police officers. A mild form of pepper spray that won’t cause any sort of permanent damage is all the deserve.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Sissy
read the article and then read the comments and now I wish I had a table to flip right now but here’s a gif instead.
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18k5j9rhteyn0gif/original.gif

Scildfreja
Scildfreja
5 years ago

@Hipsterminator,

He’s ‘bright’ enough to try, and has plenty of reddit/4chan-friends capable of it. Conspiracy theories, go!

As for gun regulation … of course guns should be regulated. Yet another one of those things I wonder why we’re having a conversation on in the 21st century. Blegh.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
5 years ago

@Hipsterminator, excellent points, of course you are right, sigh. I just got excited that SOMEONE was doing SOMETHING about Doosh V. I wonder how the Montreal police investigation into his doxxing those women is going.

freemage
5 years ago

On-topic:

There’s also the Israeli Defense Force experience with suicide-by-gun. They instituted a policy that troops could not take their guns home on the weekends (previously, they’d permitted to do so). Weekend suicide rates plummeted, while weeknight suicide rates remained constant (resulting in a significant drop in overall rates, as well).

There’s two major ‘types’ of suicide motivation–ongoing depression and as a reaction to specific life-trauma. The latter (say, the loss of a spouse or a child) produces a temporary grief–the key word being temporary. If you make it through the worst of that period, then you are more likely to focus on moving on–so delaying suicide there is obviously going to help.

And it helps in the other class, too. My wife suffers from depression, and has told me that even when she might have been suicidal, there’s a weird feedback effect at play. Depression robs you, among other things, of motivation. There’s a fairly tight zone where the depression is strong enough to goad you into acting, and simultaneously weak enough to not make it seem not worth the effort. So if you are pushed through the ‘dark night of the soul’ by anything–even mere inconvenience–you can come out the other side and keep going. Gun possession both lowers the effort AND cuts down on delay; a fatal consequence for someone suffering a brief window of suicidal predisposition.

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entireties | September 2, 2015 at 1:46 pm

i feel like using a joke image like the one featured above when discussing suicide by gun is incredibly distasteful

It’s not a ‘joke’ image; it isn’t meant for comedy or humor. It’s an artistic representation of the fact that guns in a home make it vastly more likely for someone in the home to die by gunfire.

Finally:

Glockslinger: You could at least tell us a bit more about that ‘landmark’ study you cite, since David cited several that came to different conclusions.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
5 years ago

…So, was just using the term “gun-nut” the only thing anyone besides Alan took away from my comments…? -_-

I’ll admit I didn’t really think too much about whether it was ableist or not and apologize for its usage – I’d have no issue using the term “gun-fetishist” instead. Just as long as it doesn’t become another semantic discussion about a single word or phrase, please – I’ve had enough of those on FB already over something as pointless as using “trope” and “cliche” interchangeably (God forbid!).

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@NickNamedNick

We have a strict no ableist language policy so of course someone is going to mention it, like the one person who noticed.

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