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Men’s Rights Activists still angry that they’re considered a joke, vow to do nothing to change this

Oh, Colorado, you make me sad. Can't you just search for Nickelback lyrics like normal people?
Oh, Colorado, you make me sad. Can’t you just search for Nickelback lyrics like normal people?

So the fellas on the Men’s Rights subreddit are kicking up a shine about a post one of them found on the internet that treats them like the joke that they are.

You see, a blogger on real estate site Estately.com decided, out of sheer boredom, I imagine, to assemble a list of Each State’s Most Embarrassing Google Searches. 

As you can see from the map above, the searches range from terrible music (for some reason, Maine residents feel a need to track down Nickelback lyrics) to assorted penis-size related concerns.

In Colorado, the search term that made Estately’s Ryan Nickum giggle the most was “Men’s Rights.” 

Nickum notes in his post that Coloradans were also interested in learning more about Vape pens and Crocs (the ugly shoes). He concludes from this that

If you’re a man in Colorado wearing crocs and puffing on your vape pen you deserve to have your rights taken away.

Actually, that’s not quite fair. It’s not right to lump vaping and Crocs with Men’s Rights. Vaping is much better for you than smoking, and Crocs, while atrociously ugly, are at least comfortable (or so I’ve heard).

Naturally, Men’s Rights Redditors were outraged by this assault on their basic human rights.

[–]Clockw0rk 42 points 18 hours ago The "article" makes things worse. Analysis: If you’re a man in Colorado wearing crocs and puffing on your vape pen you deserve to have your rights taken away Oh really? Let's flip the details. If you're a woman in Wisconsin wearing open toed shoes and drinking flavored malt beverages, you deserve to have your rights taken away. Hmmm.. No, that still seems like a monstrous overreach that would have the writer fired before the end of the day. I mean, if we were talking about women's rights. permalinksavereportgive goldreply [–]baskandpurr 13 points 17 hours ago Easier than that. Searching for women's rights would be great and make you a wonderful person. Searching for men's right is embarrassing and makes you offensive. You consider the idea that 50% of humanity should maybe have better rights and that makes you evil.

Poor babies.

Maybe the reason everyone sees you as a joke is because most people realize that men not only already have rights but also have innumerable privileges as a gender?

Or that they realize the Men’s Rights movement has accomplished literally nothing of value over the past five years of its existence? That MRAs in the US haven’t built a single shelter for men, or even set up a phone hotline?

That MRA’s virtually ignore the real issues facing young men of color in our country, from police shootings and gun violence to a misguided drug war that has left an unprecedented number of young black men behind bars.

That instead of actually doing anything about anything they would rather circle-jerk about spermjacking and friend-zoning and the alleged evils of assorted rape prevention campaigns.

Fellas: People treat you like a joke because you are a joke.

In the thread complaining about Nickum’s map, the only “accomplishment” any of the Men’s Rights redditors thought to mention was the fact that people are more aware of Men’s Rights activists than they were a few years ago. And I have to admit that this is true.

Congratulations, fellas, you’ve managed to successfully annoy the world with your stupid complaints, so much so that numerous sites are taking down their comments so they won’t have to deal with irritating abusive babies like you any more.

And you’ve given me an excuse to post this:

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GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

“Or that they realize the Men’s Rights movement has accomplished literally nothing of value over the past five years of its existence? That MRAs in the US haven’t built a single shelter for men, or even set up a phone hotline?”

Their one major accomplishment: Until recently, they have managed to keep Paul Elam from having to seek work as a “counselor” — a huge benefit to men, and society as a whole.

ReallyFriendly
ReallyFriendly
5 years ago

@ EJ (EOO) A similar idea on the internet is ‘people are just trolling’. Trolls do exist and should be ignored as they tend to be single entities seeking attention, but the term has been used way too often to minimize actual harassment. It is a sad fact to me that when women become online public figures it is NORMAL for them to become the target of sexual slurs and insults. To be fair, males who also become online public figures also get their share of internet harassment, but the real issue is that the internet has NORMALIZED the behavior.

We have become used to the notion this is the way things are and the way they always will be. ‘Trolls will be trolls’ is always brought up as a defense of the status quo way too often even in cases where it clearly does not apply.

There is an inherent inertia in the community that does not want to acknowledge the problem so they don’t have to deal with it. While it is true that the internet is a massive online forum where regulation is staggeringly difficult, I find it strange that there isn’t a more collective interest in dealing with this issue. The internet has spawned a rather ridiculous collection of passions and interests and so it strikes me as odd that this does not generate as much buzz when it is so pervasive and affects everyone in the community.

One of the other new things about the internet is that it allows these previously isolated asshats to connect with one another and create social reinforcement of such activities. In the real world where it is much harder for them to find their peers so they sometimes grow out of it by seeing that everyone around them thinks poorly of them. In the internet they can find one another and assure each other that they are not the asshats here – and the fact that they have normalized their behavior in the internet community as acceptable is downright disturbing. I do hope we do not keep moving our bar further and further down.

/my rant over, thank you for reading 8p

contrapangloss
5 years ago

WWTH, I’m not sure whether it’s because I don’t dare to delve to deep (in case of Balrogs) or because the fandom is nice, but I’ve never run into anything too petrifying in the Lord of the Rings fandom.

Or the Doctor Who fandom.

Or the…

…I’m betting the answer is me not delving too deep.

Zeb Berryman
Zeb Berryman
5 years ago

Count me as another person who used to identify as Brony, but no longer does. I actually think that I’m way more embarrassed to admit to liking My Little Pony than any other “girly” show or book I like just because of the fanbase. Honestly it actully increased my love of Steven Universe just because they went out of there way to use different tags so kids wouldn’t see there adult art, of the series.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I don’t necessarily think all fandom are toxic, but I think I’m order to clamp down on the assholes, the community does need to be relatively small, and willing to address mistakes and disagreements.

Moggie
Moggie
5 years ago

Some years ago, I went through a phase of watching a lot of anime. But my first experience of online anime fandom almost soured me on the whole medium. Among the things I witnessed almost immediately:

* Guys posting their violent rape fantasies about fourteen-year-old characters.
* A non-sexualised ten-year-old character being described as “jailbait”.
* Earnest discussion about skirt length in school uniforms, including one guy inviting people to check out his street photos of real Japanese schoolgirls.
* Insufficient criticism of the above from less toxic fans.

I didn’t give up on anime, but I decided I wanted nothing to do with the fandom. And I was reluctant to tell anyone I was into it, lest they thought I was one of those creeps.

Now you must excuse me, because a DVD of The Tale of the Princess Kaguya arrived in the post today, and it won’t watch itself.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ contrapanglos

Or the Doctor Who fandom.

Doctor Who fans don’t have time to waste on social issues and other trivial matters. They’re too busy discussing the stuff that’s really important; like what size the TARDIS windows should be.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
5 years ago

Michigan: We’re aware that Amway is a pyramid scheme, we’re just not sure how to make it stop.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I don’t know if it’s Whovians or just random internet commenters, but there’s always a bunch of white male tears whenever it’s suggested that the next Doctor be a woman and/or POC.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ WWTH

Ironically when Joanna Lumley played the doctor in an early Steven Moffatt thing; everyone raved about how brilliant she was and how she should be the next doctor (she would be perfect).

I still hold out hope for Don Warrington to be the Doctor. I think he should have red hair though, then you can have a great post regeneration scene where he looks in a mirror and says “Finally”.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Alan, that would be…

Most excellent. I would approve so much. So, so, so, so much. The doctor’s just been longing to be Ginger so long.

WWTH, I hope it’s just random commenters. It could be Whovians, though. I don’t know.

🙁

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ contrapanglos

When people freak out at the idea of a black Doctor it’s always worth referring them to the War Games:

katz
katz
5 years ago

I don’t know if it’s Whovians or just random internet commenters, but there’s always a bunch of white male tears whenever it’s suggested that the next Doctor be a woman and/or POC.

Not to mention the hissy fit at the suggestion that their preferences might indicate racism or sexism. I was once talking to a guy about this and he said “I don’t think the Doctor should be played by a dog either! I must hate dogs!” apparently oblivious to the irony of comparing women to dogs in an attempt to prove he’s not sexist.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago
Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Katz

I don’t think the Doctor should be played by a dog either!

Eh, do you live in some weird parallel universe where the Doctor *isn’t* a dog?

http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/174/70/70174/1394566753-0.jpg

contrapangloss
5 years ago

Oh my. 4 as a dog is perfect. So perfect. Oh my.

All the love. 4 is totally a floofy poodle/spaniel mix. Totally. Yes. So yes.

And the war doctor, with his little gruffy-fluffy face.

And Nine, so serious with the ears…

Much love.

Alan, you are the wind beneath my wings with that picture.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

I haven’t caught up on the most recent doctor, because I lack cable. But Irish Wolfhounds are awesome, and I adore the face on that dog, so it bodes well.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

The Tom Baker scarf looks cute on a pup. If I had knitting skills I’d make one for my dad’s dog.

katz
katz
5 years ago

Oh my goodness, Dogtor Who. I love it.

You know who wants to play the Doctor?

https://twitter.com/HayleyAtwell/status/632269411424927744?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ contrapangloss

I haven’t caught up on the most recent doctor

Oh, you are so in for a treat; he’s the best Doctor ever. Mind you, I think that about all of them.

Michelle Gomez is the best Master, well, Mistress though. She even nudges out the brilliant Roger Delgado.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/xCgpqKWg8nj5BS2LJ6DRV0/missy

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Doctor Whoof. Doctor Hoo.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ WWTH

The Tom Baker scarf looks cute on a pup

There’s a really cute picture somewhere of K-9 wearing the hat and scarf.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Hugs, Reallyfriendly. It was a good rant. Your point about the internet allowing the assholes to network is a good one.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

I don’t know if it’s Whovians or just random internet commenters, but there’s always a bunch of white male tears whenever it’s suggested that the next Doctor be a woman and/or POC.

This reminded me of something weird as hell that happened a couple years ago:

My sister and mum are enormous Whovians and were talking about the upcoming series, bouncing ideas for who they’d want to be the next Doctor… I commented that even though I don’t watch the show myself, it’d still be neat to see a female Doctor. Maggie Smith, maybe. And they flipped. I won’t quote any of what they said, but I seriously could have suggested Zombie Hitler with less pushback. o_O

The weird part is that neither of them had ever said anything sexist before and they haven’t said anything sexist since. In 30 years, that was it. Apparently, to them, women can do absolutely anything men can do, probably more… Except play the friggin’ Doctor.

Falconer
5 years ago

@WWTH:

I don’t know if it’s Whovians or just random internet commenters, but there’s always a bunch of white male tears whenever it’s suggested that the next Doctor be a woman and/or POC.

On Tumblr, if the subject comes up, one ought to brace for the onslaught of various Tumblrites calling for a Female Doctor! Right Now! Fire Capaldi! and calling Steven Moffat a horrible misogynist for not jumping to do their bidding.

The worst of them make misogynistic attacks on every character in the show who has ever dared be a woman, and then blame it all on Moffat.

It’s got so I’ll trade that for male tears any day.

But hey! This upcoming series we have a woman who’s directing, two women who’ve written, and a trans woman actor in the cast!

katz
katz
5 years ago

Oh god, the Moffat hate. The strange thing about it is that even the most strident Moffat haters usually have a favorite episode that was written, directed, or produced by him.

So the people ruining Doctor Who fandom aren’t doing it by flooding everything with porn and hate speech, but by insisting that the show has to be this exact way, throwing a shitfit if anyone disagrees, and tarring anyone who makes the show something else as the devil incarnate.

Falconer
5 years ago

I remember one particular person who is absolutely livid that the Doctor was allowed to find a way out of killing everyone on both sides of the Time War.

That was never going to stand, was it? Gallifrey was always going to come back. But some people seem to think Davies was the second coming of Verity Lambert.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

What’s wrong with not killing people?

Falconer
5 years ago

It meant he stopped being a brooding, dark, mysterious being who had the will to condemn millions of children to oblivion in order to eradicate the Daleks, it’s okay, he’ll be certain to brood about it afterwards.

To be fair, no one mentioned the children before the Moment asked about them.

And all this despite the fact that Nine backed down from killing everyone on Satellite Five in order to kill the Daleks.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

If all the Daleks are killed, who will be the recurring bad guys? I mean, at the very least we all get free trash cans but at what price?

Falconer
5 years ago

Well, all the Daleks weren’t killed, they came back in pretty short order after the series was revived.

So destroying Gallifrey worked out so well.

Oh, and Beloved reminds me that the Moffat haters drove a woman off of Tumblr after she said that his first series helped her cope with suicidal ideation. She disappeared after they were nasty to her about it and hasn’t been heard from since. Beloved hopes she didn’t hurt herself. So there’s that.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Every fandom everywhere has some disgustingly toxic part. No exceptions. Rule #742.

katz
katz
5 years ago

The fact is it’s a long runner, and long runners have to shake things up periodically to keep it fresh. So if there’s any aspect of the show that you consider sacrosanct, sooner or later someone will change it.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Confession time. I like new Who better than classic Who. Maybe it’s because I saw the first few seasons of the reboot first. When I finally saw the old ones I thought it was kind of over rated. The Tom Baker ones were good. The rest didn’t appeal.

I know that’s blasphemy, but it’s how I feel. Good to get it off my chest. 🙂

I also really don’t get the Moffatt hate. But then, I really loved Coupling. Despite the problematic aspects, it always cracks me up and the cast is great.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ WWTH

I honestly can’t see a distinction between ‘new’ and ‘classic’ Who. There’s more diversity of content during particular eras since 63 than there is between the pre and post 05 stuff.

katz
katz
5 years ago

WWTH: I think a lot of people who didn’t grow up with the original Who like the New Who better. I think some people make liking the original Who into a hipster-cred kind of thing.

Falconer
5 years ago

@WWTH:

http://dailygrindhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-original.jpg

And yes, Classic Who has lots of tin foil robots and some distinctly prejudicial elements.

It also has Robert Holmes, who’s the sort of writer who could make his grumpiness over his taxes into a damn fine story, when he was on his game.

But no worries in preferring New to Classic, or vice versa.

Falconer
5 years ago

I suppose this is the more appropriate image:
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Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

I admit I’m a Moffat hater. I spent the entire last season feeling I was watching Capaldi show how he could be a really great Doctor if the showrunners would just let him be. Of course, part of my hate is due to his seeming to take over every show and his smarmy way of putting himself in them. Plus, he keeps repeating himself. “Ooh, I’m known for clever twists! I’ll put one in every single episode I write, no matter how stupid it is, and no matter the fact that the audience sees it coming because they know I’m writing it!” Plus the various ways he messes up what’s come before even in New Who. And his manipulative insistence that we weep when Pond goes away. And that superlatively smug self-insertion when he has Clara talk about the book the kid’s reading and goes “Ooh, wait till eleven, it’s the best. You’ll cry.” Blagh. Time for him to go.

Capaldi’s Doctor getting into a macho brogument with Robin Hood was pretty good, though.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

To me it’s all just Doctor Who; one big continuum.

If I had to rate my top ten stories I’d certainly count things like ‘Genesis of the Daleks’; ‘City of Death’ (which was the story Russell T Davies showed everyone when he was advocating bringing the show back) and of course ‘An Unearthly Child’.

There were certainly some dodgy stories in the old days, but we’ve also had things like ‘Fear Her’ in the ‘new’ series.

I love K-9 the “endearingly smug robot dog”; and I don’t think there’s ever been a companion as good as Leela (although River Song comes close).

Some of the later stuff could easily have fitted in the tone of the new series. ‘Survival’ could have been a Rose era story.

Ironically though I think the best ‘episode’ of all time is ‘Night of the Doctor’. Has there ever been a better moment than “I’m a doctor, but probably not the one you were expecting’?

Falconer
5 years ago

@Rabid Rabbit:

And his manipulative insistence that we weep when Pond goes away.

Everything that the Weeping Angels has done in the series has been described in terms of murder. They kill for a living, even though their victims keep on living in the past.

Why should the Doctor take Amy’s decision to let the Angel kill her so she can be with Rory stoically?

And heaven forbid our fiction evoke emotions in us.

Falconer
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw: Leela was often the best part of any serial she was in. Talons of Weng Chiang has a whole bunch of problematic elements, but watching Leela butt heads with Victorian society is a delight.

There’s certainly an argument to be made that Leela is a better feminist role model, albeit a quiet one, compared to the sometimes straw-feminist Sarah Jane Smith who immediately preceded her.

katz
katz
5 years ago

I like Leela a lot, but Romana is my favorite companion. I wish the new Who would give more non-Earth companions a try.

As for Moffat: Sure, you can make quite a long laundry list of obnoxious stuff he’s done. (I am far from being a Moffat fan, believe me.) But you can also make a long list of good things he brought to the show (I’m not an expert on Doctor Who history, but would we even have the new series without him?). A lot of people act like he’s singlehandedly responsible for ruining everything and has never done anything good for the show, ever.

But, I mean, you’re entitled to your opinion. What bothers me is that in the fandom it feels like this is an opinion you’re expected to hold, and that people will dogpile on you if you disagree.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Falconer

Yeah, much as I loved Sarah Jane (and Liz Sladen) she certainly did fall into the typical ‘screaming girl’ role too often. I know she was meant to cater to the growing interest in ‘women’s lib’ but really characters like Liz Shaw, Sara Kingdom and even Barbara were more positive characters. Heck, even the Romanas were more inspiring.

Leela was just brilliant though. Give her any stick and she’d slit you throat or stick a Janis thorn in your ass without a second thought. It wasn’t surprising the Tesh wanted her for leader. Mind you 100% of the women in that tribe were brilliant. 😉

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I like Romana too.

It’s actually weird that I didn’t grow up with Doctor Who. My mom is an Anglophile and my dad loves science fiction but for some reason they didn’t like the show. So it was barely on my radar until the reboot happened.

That’s okay. I can’t hipster about liking Doctor Who before it was cool but I did watch MST3K back when it was a local Minnesota thing, so that’s got to count for something.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Katz

I’m not an expert on Doctor Who history, but would we even have the new series without him

It was pretty much all down to Russell T Davies that we got Who back; he was a massive fan of the show and used the kudos he’d gained with his body of work to put his reputation on the line and showrun the relaunch.

Moffatt was also another fan and, after he’d written some highly popular episodes, he was pretty much a shoe-in when RTD went on to pastures new. I suspect Mark Gattis is being groomed to take over and it will be interesting to see what he brings to the show.

katz
katz
5 years ago

I did watch MST3K back when it was a local Minnesota thing

That’s so fabulous. It must have basically been like sitting on those guys’ couch at that point.

katz
katz
5 years ago

Alan: Ah, OK. That makes sense.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

I feel I should mention that my Moffatt hatred is also due to Sherlock.

As for the Weeping Angels… Moffatt came up with one of the greatest villains. As described in Blink, the loneliest creatures in the universe. And then that episode got so popular that he kept bringing them back and back and back and ruining everything that made them great, and don’t get me started on the Statue of Liberty (though that one character in that episode made the point for me with his “You have got to be kidding me”).

I mean, the Daleks get sillier and sillier, but they were silly to begin with. I mean, they’re pepperpots. Not that Moffatt didn’t manage to ruin them in that first episode where Clara appears, which, as others have pointed out, ought to have been a Cybermen episode, not least because erasing the Doctor from the Daleks’ memory means the Daleks no longer make any sense.

And that’s leaving aside the whole question of why the Doctor couldn’t just hop back to, say, Seattle in 1960 or whenever and Pond jump on a train to go see him after the great separation. For someone whose logic used to hang together so well, Moffatt’s got some problems.

And then there’s having Clara be present throughout the Doctor’s entire life, which is cool and a great 50th anniversary gimmick, but among other things means that The Doctor’s Wife is suddenly made redundant because it wasn’t the Tardis calling, it was Clara suggesting the Doctor take that one.

Right, I’ll stop now. Though, Falconer, I’ll just clarify that my comment about Moffatt’s insistence that we weep isn’t based on the show so much as comments he made before that episode aired about how much we were going to cry.

*Rereads comment* Christ. And I’m not even a Whovian, and have next to no idea what goes on in the fandom. I can only imagine what people who are actually invested in the show are like.