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Dalrock: Men can help women by talking crap about them

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The good folks at A Voice for Men have long made it clear that, as far at they’re concerned, yelling at feminists (and women in general) on the internet is their activism. Forget building shelters or setting up hotlines for men with the hundreds of thousands of dollars they claim to have raised over the years; talking shit about women is how, in their minds, they help men. 

Now reactionary Manosphere blogger Dalrock has done them one better. As he sees it, talking shit about women is how he and his commenters help women

Recently, a new commenter to his site — a woman — asked him a simple question:

I know this blog is about the destructive and weak behavior of women in their relationships with men. However, I was wondering if you can think of any comparable examples of behavior exhibited by men in their relationships with women.

Dalrock responded by telling her that, as far as he’s concerned, the biggest problem with male behavior is that men are insufficiently critical of women.

Men are failing women terribly by refusing to speak the truth about bad behavior of women.  Calling out bad behavior of women is difficult and feels uncomfortable, and men are taking the easy feel good path.  This hurts the very women men are refusing to speak the truth about.

Oh, and talking shit about women is the best way women can help women as well.

But there is another way that men’s failure here is hurting women.  Not all women are protective of a push to debauch the culture.  While all women (just like all men) face temptation to sin, some women are actively trying to push for better standards of behavior by women.  In a properly functioning society, much if not most of the day to day policing of female behavior is done by women, and this is a biblical role.

So whenever you hear someone ranting about how women are a bunch of dirty whores, just remember: they’re only trying to help!

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Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

Da Vinci is generally accepted to have been at least mostly gay. It’s pretty clearly stated by his first biography, and there’s a lot of evidence. There is some evidence that late in life he did have some sort of physical relationship with a woman, but there’s also a strong suggestion that it was out of scientific curiosity.

alternatesteve90
5 years ago

@Ellesar: Hi, seconding the other EJ here: *Hugs*.

@Rabid Rabbit: Interesting; hadn’t heard that before! =)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

There was a great quote once that if Michaelangelo had been straight the roof of the Cistine Chapel would have been done in Artex.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

There is some evidence that late in life he did have some sort of physical relationship with a woman, but there’s also a strong suggestion that it was out of scientific curiosity.

This is just giggle inducing.

Cassie Devereaux
5 years ago

delphi_ote: I’m a Christian, but I’d correct that to “The Author of Luke”. Let’s get real….. none of the authors of the Gospels ever met the man. They were writing their accounts for specific audiences, and scholars agree that very little of what’s in the gospels were *actually* said by Jesus the Nazerine. The Jesus Seminar, for example, came up with very few passages they rated as almost certainly said by Jesus of Nazereth.

The Bible’s a human work, it has human flaws. It uses exaggeration for effect, and some of it’s meant to be read as fairy tales….. fictional and fantastic, but carrying meaning.
For me, that makes it far more significant and meaningful than supposing it was all handed from on high.

Cassie Devereaux
5 years ago

@Kootiepatra: Isn’t there a fair amount of consensus that the author of Titus and the Timothys was someone other than Paul? Or is this still a minority view?

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

@Cassie, there’s not a firm consensus one way or the other on a broad scale. Different schools of thought will be very one-sided in going one way or the other, but there’s not a clear logical majority and a clear goofy minority in Christian scholarship as a whole. I prefer the idea that they are Pauline, simply because I haven’t seen a compelling enough reason to convince me they aren’t.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
5 years ago

@Guest, Catalpa:
It’s my understanding that the Iron Ring ceremony (strictly the Ritual of the Calling of an Engineer) is only performed for Canadian engineering students, and was explicitly commissioned from Kipling for that purpose. The basic purpose was to impress upon students the responsibilities of the job… there’s a reason it was commissioned after the second collapse of a major bridge project in Quebec.

mrex
mrex
5 years ago

He’s right; many men do feel uncomfortable having serious discussions about issues. But this isn’t because of feminism; it’s because of a toxic masculinity that declares any relationship discussion about feeeelings and compromise as being “feminine”.

Because men should be stoic and uninterested in relationships, right? 9_9 And for this to be possible men should be treated as little princes straight out of the box, right? 9_9 And because it’s all feminism’s fault that men have to work at relationships and make compromises, right? 9_9

The sad thing is that many women fall into Dalidiot’s trap of shaming women into meeting men’s harmful expectations. For example, I know my MIL makes my life more difficult by expecting the golden prince treatment for her precious, precious little son, while complaining of having had the same expectations placed on her by FIL and his parents. She seems to think this hypocrisy is justified, if she sees it at all. (I’m not dumb enough to call her on it). Meanwhile, all DH has to do to meet my parent’s and family’s expectations is to make a reasonable, good faith effort at work and avoid beating me. They (rightfully) knock me down a few pegs if I put on princess pants and get (unreasonably) demanding.

I don’t think my experience is close to unique. Women are the *biggest* hypocrites when it comes to their sons. Every woman wants to believe that she’s “liberated” from internalized misogyny, and that her son is somehow “different”, but he’s not different, and neither is she. To all the women here who have sons, I have a future message from your future DIL/SIL, and that message is; “Fuck You!!!” ! ;P

mrex
mrex
5 years ago

He’s right; many men do feel uncomfortable having serious discussions about issues. But this isn’t because of feminism; it’s because of a toxic masculinity that declares any relationship discussion about feeeelings and compromise as being “feminine”.

Because men should be stoic and uninterested in relationships, right? 9_9 And for this to be possible men should be treated as little princes straight out of the box, right? 9_9 And because it’s all feminism’s fault that men have to work at relationships and make compromises, right? 9_9

The sad thing is that many women fall into Dalidiot’s trap of shaming women into meeting men’s harmful expectations. For example, I know my MIL makes my life more difficult by expecting the golden prince treatment for her precious, precious little son, while complaining of having had the same expectations placed on her by FIL and his parents. She seems to think this hypocrisy is justified, if she sees it at all. (I’m not dumb enough to call her on it). Meanwhile, all DH has to do to meet my parent’s and family’s expectations is to make a reasonable, good faith effort at work and avoid beating me. They (rightfully) knock me down a few pegs if I put on princess pants and get (unreasonably) demanding.

I don’t think my experience is close to unique. Women are the *biggest* hypocrites when it comes to their sons. Every woman wants to believe that she’s “liberated” from internalized misogyny, and that her son is somehow “different”, but he’s not different, and neither is she.

To all the women here who have sons, I have a message from your future DIL, (or SIL if he’s gay); “Fuck You!!!” ! 😉