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MRAs: The real injustice is that men had to use Ashley Madison to cheat, while women just have to exist

MISANDRY in action?
MISANDRY in action?

Forget the reported suicides and all the ruined lives; the real tragedy of Ashley Madison is that men had to use the site in order to find women to cheat with, when all women have to do to get laid is to exist.

At least that’s the consensus of Men’s Rights Redditors in a recent thread.

The Reddit post in question links to an article in The Week asking “Why are we denying that women used Ashley Madison?” But the assembled MRAs are much more interested in discussing what they see as the real issue: how unfair it is that men have to sign up for dating sites to get laid while women, allegedly, can just fall into bed with whatever random dude is nearest to them.

The male tears flow freely as the Redditors set forth their case.

zenicaone 3 points 7 hours ago Women do not have to use Ashley Madison (paid site) in order to cheat they can use facebook (or other similar free sites) or simply walk down to the bar , when they want to cheat

It’s MISANDRY, I tells ya!

Globalization101 9 points 6 hours ago This is the real story that no one is touching. It's the WOW effect, women are wonderful men are duchebags. Most of all the women I've slept with in my adult life where almost all married or in a relationship. They didn't need to use this service to get what they wanted. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]jb_trp 9 points 5 hours ago It's the WOW effect, women are wonderful men are douchebags When a woman discusses the horrible things that men can do society calls it "insight, empowerment, and a step towards equality." When a man discusses the horrible things that women can do society calls it "sexism, misogyny, and mansplaining" (i.e. "shut up you whiny fucking loser!"). Men eventually got the message: Society doesn't care about your feelings. Hence, the women are wonderful and men are douchebags trope. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]BigOldNerd 1 point an hour ago Can confirm that my ex-wife didn't need a service. She hit the jackpot on her 1st outing.

As Palidin327 sees it, women not only don’t have to sign up for Ashley Madison; they can have sex delivered right to the door for free — without even bothering to order it in the first place.

Paladin327 1 point 4 hours ago Women don't actually need websites to have affairs don't need the internet to meet the mailman/poolboy

If this is true, why aren’t horny men lining up around the block for jobs as mailmen and poolboys?

Meanwhile, Spolio repeats a familiar talking point:

spolio 6 points 8 hours ago Women don't actually need websites to have affairs women are the gate keepers of sex, and yeah , you are correct, they don't need web sites, just a nod, look, come hither... done.

Dudes, here’s the thing: YOU are also the gatekeepers of sex. You can also say no! Just because your standards are lower, or because you have standards you’re unaware of because you only really notice the women that you do want to have sex with and not those you dismiss as fatties and uggoes, doesn’t mean that (heterosexual) sex is always the woman’s choice, not the man’s.

You’re also forgetting that women don’t only screen guys for attractiveness, compatibility, or lack of ear hair; they screen for safety because, you know, men are afraid women will laugh at them, and women are afraid that men will kill them.

If women don’t want to sleep with you, maybe it’s because you’re a creepy, whiny, entitled Men’s Rights Activist.

 

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weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Oh. I think I responded to lightcastle with the wrong movie in mind. Whoops!

There’s a lot of xenophobia in Eli Roth movies. It’s kind of hard to buy the defense if you’ve seen Hostel and Aftershock.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

“No Escape has a 44% on Rotten Tomatoes,” I say, trying to find the trailer and being unsure if that’s the same movie or not.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger | August 25, 2015 at 6:29 pm
Because no men ever cheated before Ashley Madison.

“Because no men ever cheated before the internet.” FTFY.

And no, you weren’t the only one who saw the trailer for No Escape and thought it was racist as hell, I did too. It didn’t sit right with me when I first saw it, because it smacked of American Sniper’s issue of “White Male Victim”.

lightcastle
lightcastle
5 years ago

There’s a lot of xenophobia in Eli Roth movies. It’s kind of hard to buy the defense if you’ve seen Hostel and Aftershock.

Which is the main reason I think people aren’t buying the defense. He doesn’t have a lot of good faith to fall back on.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

What the hell is happening in this movie? Is there a civil war going on or something? What is this?

anon
anon
5 years ago

The Green Inferno can’t be a real thing.

Is Will Farrel in the cast? It might be something like “The Spoils of Babylon.”

The picture that it’s frozen on before it plays looks like something out of “The Spoils…”

My brain won’t let me believe that that’s an actual, meant to be taken seriously, movie.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I’m going to choose to believe that The Green Inferno trailer is one for a bait-and-switch comedy film that features the well-meaning but incredibly ignorant white college kids crashing their plane in the jungle and getting their asses yanked out of the fire by a passing native tribe, who took them in to provide medical care. But since the white kids can’t speak anything other than English, they have no idea what is going on and are freaking the hell out completely unneccesarily.

“OH GOD WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO US?!?!” They scream as their rescuers pop dislocated joints back into place and start setting bones before strapping the idiot kids down to some hastily-made stretchers. They would normally not be so rude but these people seem very insistent on trying to run into the jungle alone without any necessary supplies to get hopelessly lost and likely killed by something. Just hold on until we can get you to a hospital, okay? Jeez, they just won’t stop screaming.

Aerinea
Aerinea
5 years ago

Wow, the Green Inferno trailer was just, wow. But I guess having a bunch of privileged white 20somethings just run afoul of law enforcement of the country they’re “saving” or giving a real anti-Colonialist message just wouldn’t be as good cinema as having them eaten by savage indigenous cannibals. Ugh. Such a bullshit reason to have such a regressive plot.

Aerinea
Aerinea
5 years ago

@Catalpa I would love that movie! That sounds like such a good movie, and it would be genuinely funny, too.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’m going to choose to believe that The Green Inferno trailer is one for a bait-and-switch comedy film that features the well-meaning but incredibly ignorant white college kids crashing their plane in the jungle and getting their asses yanked out of the fire by a passing native tribe, who took them in to provide medical care. But since the white kids can’t speak anything other than English, they have no idea what is going on and are freaking the hell out completely unneccesarily.

So, it’s the plot of Wicked kind of?

The book that is. I haven’t seen the musical.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

I’ve got you beat, because I have never read the book OR seen the musical!

I might pick it up if that’s the plot though,

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

One) The Spoils of Babylon was great.

Two) The Green Inferno HAS to be bait and switch. There’s no why they’re play it up as the most terrifying movie. And the Amazonian tribe didn’t seem that scary? I mean, if they were gonna make them scary, they’d go all the fuck out and make them seem terrifying, right? That’s what trailers do.

And The Green Inferno is a stupid name. What the fuck does that even mean?

I will be pissed if it’s genuinely a scary movie.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@Catapla

Yeah, would pay to see that. And I usually just wait for DVDs to show up free at the library.

@ColeYote

Yeah, but you see, if the married women weren’t *sluts*, then he’d never have slept with them, so it’s all their fault, really.

anon
anon
5 years ago

@Pandapool

I swear to god that I saw this episode of south park a long time ago.

Maybe Parker and Stone will get it pulled for copyright infringement.

Shaenon
5 years ago

When a woman discusses the horrible things that men can do society calls it “insight, empowerment, and a step towards equality.” When a man discusses the horrible things that women can do society calls it “sexism, misogyny, and mansplaining” (i.e. “shut up you whiny fucking loser!”).

What is even the horrible thing women are doing here? Not using Ashley Madison? Sorry. I was busy having sex with my husband.

It’s always fascinating when these guys make up fake quotes insulting them, and then make up faker quotes of the even more insulting things those fake quotes would secretly mean if they weren’t fake.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

I’ve now read the Cracked article about No Escape. I think my main takeaway was “But… but that idea has so much potential!” As in, clueless Western tourist finds himself caught in a foreign country during a revolution; has absolutely no idea of what’s going on or why. Oh God the panic.

Clearly, they didn’t go for that.

Let us note that I would dearly like to see a movie with that scenario where it’s a Japanese person stuck in ex-Yugoslavia in the 90s, or African person stuck in Tibet when the Chinese move in, or very confused Mongolian in 1960s Mississipi.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

“OH GOD WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO US?!?!” They scream as their rescuers pop dislocated joints back into place and start setting bones before strapping the idiot kids down to some hastily-made stretchers…Just hold on until we can get you to a hospital, okay? Jeez, they just won’t stop screaming.

PLEASE YES

… I want that movie so bad.

So bad.

Me want.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Catalpa,
Wicked is a dark and gritty type prequel to The Wizard of Oz. The Wicked Witch of the West isn’t actually evil but the Wizard and Glinda tell Dorothy and friends she is and they believe it because, hey, she’s all green skinned and ugly. Misunderstandings ensue. The Flying Monkey’s were sent to help them but are interpreted as hostile for example. I didn’t actually like the book very much, but it was pretty popular.

I’m a lifelong fan of the Oz books and I kind of hate the idea of a dark retelling of Oz. The story was meant to be a fairy tale that wasn’t dark and scary like all the popular children’s stories were at the time. A dark adaptation can’t be done because it entirely misses the point of the series. I’m in no way opposed to dark stories. I’m a fan of horror. Game of Thrones is my favorite show and I love the books too. But, you can have substance without being dark and the Oz series did. There was a lot of pro socialism symbolism. Baum mocked the military brass and he mocked popular culture. And he did it all while still keeping his stories kid friendly.

So I’m probably not the best judge of Wicked. I just have too much invested in the original story and I’m a little touchy about adaptations. Even the 1939 movie, which I love, gets some criticism from me. Mostly due to the poor handling of the female characters. Baum was pro feminist and his characters often reflected that. The movie turned Dorothy into a simpering whiner when in the books she was tough, smart, and optimistic. Their adaptation of Glinda was even worse. Book series Glinda was similar to Galadriel. She was stately, imposing, elegant. Not a sentient bolt of pink tulle like in the movie. Glinda was also both the wisest and most powerful being in all of Oz. That doesn’t come through in the movie.

Now I’m in serious teal deer territory. Sorry about that! Once I get going on this topic, it’s hard to stop. And I’ve had wine.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l140/jkarbowiak/Tealdeer.gif

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

The musical was pretty upbeat IMO. I never read the books.

And Defying Gravity is a very kickass song.

Earl
Earl
5 years ago

Dudes, here’s the thing: YOU are also the gatekeepers of sex. You can also say no! Just because your standards are lower, or because you have standards you’re unaware of because you only really notice the women that you do want to have sex with and not those you dismiss as fatties and uggoes, doesn’t mean that (heterosexual) sex is always the woman’s choice, not the man’s.

So many men seem to miss this. They could be having all the sex they want, as it’s almost 100% guaranteed that they could find women who would be more than willing to participate. But of course, they dismiss these women as being beneath them for various reasons (too ugly, too fat, et fucking cetera).
They never seem to want to turn it around; maybe the reason they don’t get sex from the women they DO want to have sex with is because they themselves are too ugly or fat or whatever.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

The most frustrating thing about MRAs, I find, is their insistence on being wrong even when they’re right.

Ashley Madison, for example, was a company whose business model involved taking advantage of sexually dissatisfied married men. This is objectively as close as we’ll ever come to a real-life case of “beta bucks.” Well done, MRAs, you found a case where your philosophy actually applies. You win.

However, in the case of Ashley Madison, the people taking these “beta bucks” weren’t the nebulous concept of “teh wimminz.” It was the staff and shareholders of Ashley Madison. I am not acquainted with their gender divide but I would be surprised to hear that they’re entirely female, and even more surprised to hear that it in any way played into the rest of the MRA narrative.

Yes, men got exploited. Someone spotted a way to make money off male unhappiness. But somehow the MRAs lose interest in this if it doesn’t help them to hate women.

saitonexus
5 years ago

Not much to add to all of the excellent points that have been made in this comment thread, except for one thing that struck me.

So, supposedly, the premise is that men “have to work harder to cheat”, i.e. using sites like AM and actually paying money and going to a lot of trouble, and women don’t have to do all that and can just wink and smile, or “just use facebook” or “just walk into a bar”, etc….

The implication seems to be that women who cheat are horrible evil sluts BECAUSE of the above. That it’s the (supposed) disparity in the level of difficulty to successfully cheat that makes it okay when men do it, but not okay when women do it.

Logic!(?)

This would all be hilarious if it weren’t sad and disturbing. Okay, it still is kind of hilarious while also being sad and disturbing, really.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

In hindsight, my plot of “benevolent but unconventional people are deeply misunderstood by dumb college kids, resulting in a comedic inversion of a horror movie trope” sort of already happened in Tucker and Dale VS Evil, though that one features hillbillies instead of tribespeople.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Holy crap, what the fuck? Eli Roth really needs to bungee jump into a pit of Legos anytime now.

I hadn’t heard of No Escape until I read Cracked’s article yesterday, and I was seriously fucking surprised it turned out to not be by Eli Roth – like, “Everything I know is wrong!” levels of surprised – so your mention of The Green Inferno (which I also hadn’t heard of yet) put my world back in order. A good thing for my understanding of Hollywood, a bad thing for humanity in general. =P

Wilson
Wilson
5 years ago

@kirbywarp – nicely laid out, sure does sound ridiculous when you try and jam together all the conflicting beliefs.

@EJ – yeah, that’s something that really does make me sad – that focus on negativity against women consuming and tainting all the valid men’s issues that they could be talking about instead. I mean, if you’re feeling down and in a tough place I could totally understand the odd misguided rant about the unfairness of the world in general, but singling out a whole gender and blaming individual people rather than society as a whole is just vile.

painteyelash
painteyelash
5 years ago

Wilson, well, in all fairness one of the redditors thinks society as a whole does not care about men’s feelings and sees all men as douchebags. They often blame society, not just women. They see society as always catering to women.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

@Kirbywarp,

the flaw in that hilarious scenario is that you show the redpillian actually engaging in a dialogue, in reality they would just start hurling slurs the moment you questioned them.

@Peristyle,

yeah, I’ve mentioned the Roosh petition here a couple of times, I’m glad it’s gaining momentum, Roosh has been whining about it. However I don’t hold out much hope for it. A couple of years ago some people tried to get Amazon to remove ‘To Train Up a Child’, which is basically a child abuse manual written by fundie Christians. That book is still on sale, if Amazon will sell a book that has led to the deaths of at least three children, I doubt they’re troubled by Rapey Roosh.

@Terrabeau,

I’d rather see all the public scrutiny be on the site than the users.

rugbyyogi
5 years ago

Just to set out my experience of using a similar site. Married people DO set out to have affairs and they use these websites so that people are 1) outside their own social/work circle 2) you don’t have to take the risk of propositioning someone who will castigate you for wanting an affair 3) there’s balance in the relationship, people who are equally married, equally invested in children and mortgages and careers have the same amount to lose and are less likely to expect more than you can give or cause “Fatal Attraction” type scenes. Saying that these things ‘just happen’ implies that humans aren’t in control of these things. Everyone who has an affair makes a choice to go into an affair. But some people do decide that this is what they want to do before they meet anyone in particular.

The reasons why they wish to have affairs are many – but my experience of why men seem to want affairs fall into the following categories:
1) No sex (or very little sex) at home. People who fall into the technical category of sexless marriages – having sex fewer than 10 times a year. Many were having sex a whole lot less than that – a couple of times a year or not at all. Most of these men were unwillingly in sexless relationships – but some of them, a small minority I reckon, were the cause of the sexless relationship – no longer desiring their partners, for a whole range of reasons.
2) The “first flush of love” seeker – men who enjoy the chase, the first excitement of a new relationship, which obviously goes once you’ve been in a relationship for a while. Some of these men report they have pretty good sex lives at home.
3) The kink seeker: those men who had particular fantasies which weren’t getting met at home – and this includes men whose ‘kink’ is having sex with different women, which obviously can’t be met at home.
4) the experience seeker – having an affair is like jumping out of an airplane, something they just want to check off the bucket list.

Some men hit more than one category, and the above probably isn’t exhaustive.

I know why I chose to seek sex outside my marriage, but can’t speak for other women, because I didn’t chat to them. For me, I knew I didn’t want to live my life without sex anymore, and I honestly thought that this would improve my relationship because I wouldn’t be seeking from my husband that which he would not or could not give. And I can remember vividly the moment I decided to pursue (or at least investigate) having an affair.

Many of these men were otherwise apparently very happy in their relationships, but a good proportion of them were also enduring the misery of an unhappy relationship. Some of them COULD have got out of their relationships, but many of them felt completely stuck. Some of them are rogues, some feel this is their only chance to have any kind of physical or emotional intimacy with the opposite sex, some feel incredible guilt – there are a LOT of mixed feelings. My first affair partner, who I am still in touch with from time to time, felt incredible guilt, loved his wife, but was in a sexless relationship which caused him a great deal of misery.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
5 years ago

No one “needed” Ashley Madison to have affairs. Plenty of men use social media and the bar scene to do the same thing.

spacelawn
5 years ago

Why is that site called Ashley Madison anyway? Is it supposed to be some kind of John Doe type deal?

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
5 years ago

Pandapool, Inferno is a fancy Latin word for Hell. Tropical rainforest areas have been historically described as “Green Inferno” because they were generally unsuitable for white colonial settlement and unpleasant for white explorers and traders who visited there.

Both those movies are real WTF material.

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

don’t need the internet to meet the maillman/poolboy

Well, there’s someone who obviously has gotten all his ideas about sex and women from ’70s porn.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Artic Ape

Literally it means ‘underneath’ hence the Hades connection. It’s the same root as ‘inferior’

[Latin nerd: off]

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Andreja

70s porn gives people unrealistic expectations as to how quickly you can get someone to come round to fix a boiler.

AnAndrejaPejicBlog (@A_Pejic_Blog)

@Alan

And unreasonable expectations as to how easy it is to get free pizza.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

… How likely do you think it is that the apparent peruvian cannibals are all actors in blackface?

Ant it’s not a joke movie. It’s already been out outside of the US. Apparently the main “theme” of the movie is that a bunch of slacktivist white kids want to stage a viral protest to save the rainforest, but they end up getting caught by native cannibals. They get punished for not actually being interested in really helping! Isn’t that so progressive you guise?

Apparently it’s trying to follow in the footseps of Cannibal Holocaust.

I think “The Green Inferno” is either a reference to CH, or it’s the name of the video the kids are trying to make in the movie… something like that.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

@Alan

Ooh, does that mean I can call my basement “the infernal pit”?

“Hey can you go grab the clothes out of the dryer?”
“For you, my beloved, I will venture into the infernal pit and brave all its horrors to bring you back your prize! Farewell, and wish me luck!”

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Kirby:
I would pay good money to see a film in which the makers of Cannibal Holocaust were eaten by Peruvian tribesmen. Chortle? I nearly guffawed.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@spacelawn – They picked two popular girls’ names for the name of the site, which (as EJ pointed out) suggests that they knew all along their main customer would be straight men.

I have to say, the choice of “Madison” is pretty gross, since “Madison” didn’t gain popularity as a girls’ name until relatively recently. All the Madisons I know are under 10 (except for one who’s 20).

It is a weird name for a cheating site. I always thought “Ashley Madison” sounded like a vaguely upscale, country-inspired designer. “And in the living room, we’ll have mason jars, distressed wood, and Ashley Madison curtains…”

@dsrt

It goes hand in hand with the “women never experience rejection” bullshit – since men “have” to make the first move women have NO IDEA how haaaaard it is to risk that rejection nevermind the 4 billion other forms of rejection that exist.

Yeah, it’s not like they’re rejecting tons of women every time they post a fat-shaming meme or yet another spittle-flecked rant about how repulsive short hair, single mothers, and tattoos are. Those women are several levels below the HB10 level of non-human, so of course they can’t possibly experience rejection or hurt the way these special snowflakes do.

When it comes to self-esteem, there’s no practical difference between passive and active rejection. A person doesn’t have to hear the word “no” face to face to feel unworthy and unlovable. They can absorb that message in a thousand other ways.

MRAs have such a huge blind spot for the fact that for women, rejection is baked right into the “men approach, women wait’ model. Men get to assess, evaluate, and choose up front, before they’ve even approached someone – which means they’re rejecting all the other women in the room. I don’t have much sympathy for the “waah waah, only men experience rejection” trope. It comes from a place of utter self-absorption. Do they think women aren’t putting themselves out there as well?

Dvärghundspossen
5 years ago

When sexists go on about how men get friendzoned and turned down all the time, and women can get all the sex they want… I wonder, if they saw “Spy” (which I saw quite recently in the theater) and saw the scene in the beginning where Melissa McCarthy’s character is so obviously in love with Jude Law’s character, but he only treats her as a buddy and is completely oblivious to the way she feels… That is, he friendzones her big time… Do they regard this scene as utterly unrealistic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltijEmlyqlg

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Or this movie.
https://youtu.be/rBvwueGobMk

I think many women can relate to the Janeane Garafolo character despite the movie’s flaws.

Silky
5 years ago

@Kirby warp

They’re right, of course. Silly SJW kids, trying to save a bunch of trees that aren’t even in their own backyard! Someday they’ll grow up and realize that the only way to save the rain forest is to push down all the trees, bulldoze those annoying animals, and put up McDonald’s and Nike factories for the locals to work at. That is, if the scary foreigners don’t kill them first with their scary voodoo ways. /s

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Also, the fact that Janeane Garafalo is popular culture’s idea of fat and unattractive should tell these whiny dudes something. Apparently, if you’re not drop dead gorgeous, you’re a hideous and unlovable monster.

See also this movie that Paradoxy posted the poster for in a different thread recently
https://youtu.be/0tbRlEXrysU

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
5 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

There is also a crop of Madisons from the days of Splash, the movie with Tom Hanks and Darryl Hannah. The mermaid names herself Madison.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

I like to think that once a week Ashley Madison, Uncle Ben and Aunt Bessie all meet up for coffee.

Ælfscýne
Ælfscýne
5 years ago

Is there any data on women vs. men ratio on Ashley Madison?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@Chie – The odd thing is that the name Madison didn’t go viral till almost a decade after Splash came out. It started to take off in popularity around the mid-90s (it finally cracked the top 100 in 1993, according to the US Social Security site) and peaked at #2 in 2001 and 2002. It’s stayed in the top 10 ever since.

Admittedly, my sample size is biased since I only recently had kids and started hanging out with lots more under-5s. My sons’ daycare alone has three Madisons.

Anyway, it’s a non-traditional name that skews young, which is doubtless why they chose it. They weren’t going to name the site Doris Gertrude. 😀

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@Aelfscyne

Yep. 86% men, and the vast majority of the remainder are fake (site admins trying to entice men, spambots, women signed up without their knowledge as revenge, etc).

ShakeB
ShakeB
5 years ago

“Most of all the women I’ve slept with in my adult life where almost all married or in a relationship”

You’re really bad at grammar and empathy, congratulations!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Catapalta

It’s a little known fact that Beatrice just asked Dante to bring up those old boxes from the cellar and when he was telling his mates down the pub things got out of hand. But you know how blokes like to exaggerate about chores.