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There’s trouble on the really, really far right: Infamous hacker-with-a-giant-swastika-tattoo Weev is squabbling with infamous former-Vice co-founder-who-hates-trans-people Gavin McInnes over which one of them is the real hero of the racist right.
The current contretemps apparently kicked off with this little Twitter exchange:
https://twitter.com/rabite/status/634465664045072384
https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/634466690479333376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Weev has now followed up with a LiveJournal post denouncing McInnes as, among other things,
a jealous little bitch … a fucking joke … cosplaying in the alternative right for a year … a British born migrant by way of Canada who has mixed race children and sits on a pile of Jew media money from peddling orgy porgy and soma … a ringer … a mongrelizer and a cuckold … You cuck for the black lobby and you cuck for Israel. … You’re to the left of [Rush Limbaugh] … a sheep in wolf’s clothing. … Your shameful attempt to ingratiate yourself with American nationalists is beginning to collapse. Hell, you aren’t even an American, and since you love multiethnic society so much I think perhaps you should return to your country of origin. I think Leicester and Luton are more up to your speed these days.
The last bit is apparently quite the insult in neo-Nazi circles, as 19% of the residents of Leicester, and 25% of Luton, are Muslim. The horror!
Weev finished his rant by suggesting that McInnes kill himself.
It’s quite a display of invective. But far more interesting — for readers of this blog, anyway — is a followup comment Weev left on his LiveJournal post. In it, he accuses McInnes of “talking down to gamergate.” This is a cardinal sin in weev’s mind because
gamergate … is by far the single biggest siren bringing people into the folds of white nationalism. More people have been converted in the past year by things like images of Anita Sarkeesian being rendered as a happy merchant than were in the three before it.
So there you have it. According to America’s best-known neo-Nazi hacker, Gamergate is the gateway drug to white nationalism.
The sad thing is that he may be right. Maybe not about the caricature itself, but about Gamergate, which has been suffused with anti-Semitic and other “alt-right” rhetoric and imagery almost from the start. I would not be surprised to learn that Gamergate has indeed been as fertile a recruiting ground for the far-right as Weev is suggesting.
Hmm, if it doesn’t, I think “you cuck for Israel” would mean, roughly, “instead of keeping Israel in its place (like you would with a wife), you bow down to it and allow it to make a fool of you (as would be the case of your wife cuckolded you).”
Because RINO just wasn’t racist, sexist, and vitriolic enough for them.
Now, for an off topic question. This is directed towards anyone in the UK or anyone familiar with their laws. I’m watching The Omen. The original 1976 version. Katherine (Damian’s mom) is pregnant and she asks her husband Robert permission for an abortion and he discusses it with another male character. It was all very creepy. In the 1970’s did women have to get permission from the father for an abortion? Or were these just patriarchal values on display in the movie? Either way. Yuck!
“The implication is that X is getting off on watching Israel fucking X’s wife/GF.”
If you’re chuckholding for Israel, aren’t you doing the cuckholding? Shouldn’t Israel be getting off? Does this mean you are fucking a country’s wife? How does that even work? And isn’t Israel usually the BRIDE in religious symbolism?
Oh. My. God. I’ve cracked it! They’re saying Israel is half of a married lesbian couple who are into some really kinky stuff! This is truly Da Vinci Code level thinking.
Huh, I would have figured that in chucking for Israel, it would be Israel who would be be the icky non-white dood banging the cuckold’s wife, who is America.
Particularly weird considering that lesbians can’t marry each other in Israel– Israel would have to leave itself and get married in a state/country where gay and lesbian marriage is legal, and then go back to itself before it would recognize its marriage.
In my corner of the world, both Catholics and Jews are massively over represented in the kink community, though, so that much tracks… Can we extrapolate that perhaps Israel’s wife is a Catholic nation?
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to refer to a woman as “it.” I meant to say, “Israel would have to leave herself and get married in a state/country where gay and lesbian marriage is legal, and then go back to herself before she would recognize her marriage.”
I sincerely apologize to anyone I offended.
> You’re to the left of [Rush Limbaugh]
The fact that he considers that an insult really does tell you what kind of people we’re dealing with here.
@Anise
Thank you. My Real Life Countries fanfiction has a few new ideas now…
‘More people have been converted in the past year by things like images of Anita Sarkeesian being rendered as a happy merchant than were in the three before it.’
Is he suggesting that just seeing this picture magically creates anti-Semites, or what?
@brooked:
“Cuck” in these situations does have the implications suggested, but also has the implication that because of America’s friendship with [said groups], America is somehow shown to be weaker and less manly, and therefore loses the ability to dominate others. It comes from a very black-and-white form of thinking in which one is either the master or the slave. Nietzsche would probably have all sorts of stuff to say about it.
If you look at usage of the term in an interpersonal context rather than a sociological context, it carries a very strong by-the-bootstraps ethos of circular logic which is characteristic of the Right. One is a cuck if one takes a passive role in decision making. Being a cuck saps one’s ability to impose one’s will upon the world; this then forces one further into a passive role. However, if one asserts oneself sufficiently to take an active role and force others into the passive role, then one ceases being a cuck and is now in a situation where one can dictate terms to others with renewed force. As such, anyone who is a cuck is both weak and is also the cause of their own weakness: the way to stop being a cuck is to, well, stop being a cuck.
Put another way, accusing someone of being a cuck is victim-blaming them for being realistic. Which tells you something about the people who use it.
The possibility of consensus or compromise does not, of course, exist in this mode of thinking. If one does not dominate, one is dominated. It’s a sad mindset which can only really exist in the minds of those sufficiently divorced from actual authority to be free to indulge in ideological purity rather than any form of pragmatism.
I seem to have made something of a hobby of studying that insult. Huh. It’s weird how these things happen.
Going back to the original topic, the thing that fascinates me most about weev’s post is that it entirely ignores the possibility that people may want to ignore things. #GG’s accomplishments are meaningless, their actions unimportant: they exist only as a recruiting tool for the far right. It’s nice to hear that they aren’t pretending that Actually, It’s About Ethics In Game Journalism or anything else like that.
*Going back to the original topic, the thing that fascinates me most about weev’s post is that it entirely ignores the possibility that people may want to achieve things.
Achieve, not ignore. I can’t brain before 8am.
@EJ
If I may add a bit to your studies:
Cuckolding was a very popular disparagement in Western media from as early as the 14th century (The Miller’s Tale in the Canterbury Tales is a good example) and seeing its heyday around the 17th with plays like L’école des femmes and The Country Wife featuring cuckolding as the main driving force of the plot and the primary source of comedy. At the time, the term was to “put the horns” of the cuckold onto someone (alluding to the horns of the stag where males who were defeated by other males will forfeit their mate to the stronger one). This lead to a lot of puns and other not-so-subtle jibes, like a character named Horner in the Country Wife who does exactly what his name suggests, puts horns on the other men in the play by sleeping with their wives. The source of the humor here is, as most forms of humor, misery and the juxtaposition of class and circumstance. These plays often featured proper gentlemen of nobility being humiliated by more clever men who steal the virtue of their wives. I can only assume the way this translates into the contemporary pejorative is that sense of humiliation. The ridiculous thing about the insult is the way it is so based on a toxic idea of masculinity–that it debases the character of a man if he cannot control his wife in the control of her own body. It was, frankly, droll and misogynistic then and it is even more so now. Even without women in the equation–in the sense of cuckolding for… what nonsense did this guy spout, the Jews?–the insult is meant to imply that the insultee is so weak (as a man) that he cannot even control a woman and therefore is subservient in his political positions. It’s as offensive as it is nonsensical.
But it’s at least a little interesting to see people bringing cuckolding back as a punchline after almost completely disappearing from the literary scene in the 18th century when everyone realized it wasn’t really all that funny.
Also, can I get a t-shirt that says “I’m to the left of Rush Limbaugh” in this style:
@foxkit:
You can get that t-shirt if I can have one too.
Regarding “cuckold” as an insult, yes it goes back to early roots and is extensively used in 16th and 17th century literature; but in the sense that the Right are using it at the moment, it’s very recent and descends via the pornography genre. This is where it picked up a lot of its racial overtones, since most cuckold pornography features a black bull and a white cuck; those racial overtones come via the “black brute” stereotype and are absent from the traditional early-modern meaning of the term.
I think one of the big differences between the early-modern conception of cuckolding and the 2015 version is that of the involvement of the woman. In Chaucer, the cuckold is seen as betrayed by his wife as much or more than by another man; in the neo-Nazi sense of the term, it’s simply a power struggle between two men without any suggestion that the person in the middle may have some agency in the matter.
For confirmation I think I’d have to look at Southern European sources, where cuckolding never went away; but that’d only be of academic interest since I very much doubt that Italian or Spanish sources really influenced the aggressively white-nativist people who’re using the term now.
@EJ
That’s even more gross than I was thinking.
“Also, can I get a t-shirt that says “I’m to the left of Rush Limbaugh” in the style of “I’m with stupid <——-"
My HTML skills are weak and my image didn't embed. xp
@Kit – WordPress auto-embeds image links, no HTML or UBB required.
Ugh why do these people exist
what use are they
Cyberwulf:
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/mistakesdemotivator.jpeg
wwth:
Permission from the father hasn’t been a requirement since the Abortion Act 1967, but women were (still are) required to get agreement from 2 doctors to get an abortion before the 24th week. In practice this is *reasonably* easy to do these days, but would have been trickier back in the 70s, because none of the reasons covered in the act are ‘because I don’t want to be pregnant’, so a woman would have had to find two pro-choice doctors, which would be easier said than done.
tl:dr – yes, patriarchal values all the way.
weev apparently mixed up his dog-whistles with his whistle-whistles again.
… wait, forgot, he’s brave. Carry on, you cheeky maverick.
From the OP:
It never ceases to amaze me that there exist people who argue over who’s the most cartoonishly evil of them all. It’s like reading a kids’ comic book story about over-the-top bad guy characters competing over the “Villain of the Year” award or something. It would be quite glorious and massively entertaining, if RL bad guys were as endearing as, say, the Beagle Boys.
Interesting, and here I thought #GobbledyGrog was all about ethics in games journalism.
I actually had to give up on a forum thread the other day because some gator jumped into a conversation trying to tell me that, actually, 4chan’s use of a particular word is totes okay because in places that aren’t America it has meanings that aren’t related to homophobia at all, and it’s not like the context of how 4chan uses it obviously implies the homophobic undertones or anything.
@Anarchonist: Reminds me of the old Chapelle’s Show “Player Haters Ball” sketch
TW: Pretty much everything, the whole premise is they are miserable, hateful people.