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Weev: Gamergate is “the biggest siren bringing people into the folds of white nationalism.”

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There’s trouble on the really, really far right: Infamous hacker-with-a-giant-swastika-tattoo Weev is squabbling with infamous former-Vice co-founder-who-hates-trans-people Gavin McInnes over which one of them is the real hero of the racist right.

The current contretemps apparently kicked off with this little Twitter exchange:

https://twitter.com/rabite/status/634465664045072384

https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/634466690479333376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Weev has now followed up with a LiveJournal post denouncing McInnes as, among other things,

a jealous little bitch … a fucking joke … cosplaying in the alternative right for a year … a British born migrant by way of Canada who has mixed race children and sits on a pile of Jew media money from peddling orgy porgy and soma … a ringer … a mongrelizer and a cuckold … You cuck for the black lobby and you cuck for Israel. … You’re to the left of [Rush Limbaugh] … a sheep in wolf’s clothing. … Your shameful attempt to ingratiate yourself with American nationalists is beginning to collapse. Hell, you aren’t even an American, and since you love multiethnic society so much I think perhaps you should return to your country of origin. I think Leicester and Luton are more up to your speed these days.

The last bit is apparently quite the insult in neo-Nazi circles, as 19% of the residents of Leicester, and 25% of Luton, are Muslim. The horror!

Weev finished his rant by suggesting that McInnes kill himself.

It’s quite a display of invective. But far more interesting —  for readers of this blog, anyway — is a followup comment Weev left on his LiveJournal post. In it, he accuses McInnes of “talking down to gamergate.” This is a cardinal sin in weev’s mind because

gamergate … is by far the single biggest siren bringing people into the folds of white nationalism. More people have been converted in the past year by things like images of Anita Sarkeesian being rendered as a happy merchant than were in the three before it.

So there you have it. According to America’s best-known neo-Nazi hacker, Gamergate is the gateway drug to white nationalism.

The sad thing is that he may be right. Maybe not about the caricature itself, but about Gamergate, which has been suffused with anti-Semitic and other “alt-right” rhetoric and imagery almost from the start. I would not be surprised to learn that Gamergate has indeed been as fertile a recruiting ground for the far-right as Weev is suggesting.

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Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Gotta love it when shitty people fight to see who’s the shittiest, and their insults are “YOU LIKE THE PEOPLE I HATE”.

And when a neo-nazi is saying your movement is calling people to being nazis, you have a problem.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Holy crap… LiveJournal still exists?

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@SFHC

It’s pretty underground, now. You probably wouldn’t get it.

C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
5 years ago

I would hope that GamerGaters would see this and rethink their involvement in this movement. However, I’m afraid those who are capable of doing that left months ago and those remaining would be sympathetic to White Nationalism.

Michael Lindsay
5 years ago

Wingnut fight, wingnut fight. Will the dumbest wingnut emerge even dumber?

But seriously, Gamergate started with the Nazis. Innuendo Studios covered GG origins pretty well and GG started with /pol/ on 4chan which is infested with Nazis. Ergo, Nazis started Gamergate by bringing in lots of entitled, white but not quite Nazi guys and using them as a cover for their right wing terrorism.

strivingally
5 years ago

GG has at least some of its roots in /pol/, 4chan & 8chan’s notorious hive for white supremacist hate-talk. weev’s fooling himself if he thinks that GGers are being *converted* to white nationalism – a lot of them were at least halfway there to start with.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

Our side had an awesome success with the “cuckservative” meme, which was born in the legendary chatbox of the My Posting Career forums.
… You’ll always be known as a mongrelizer and a cuckold, Gavin. You cuck for the black lobby and you cuck for Israel.

Despite having hate followed the far right on and off for decades and I must admit that I’m completely utterly confused by what they’re doing to the word “cuckold”. How does one cuck for Israel? White Nationalists have always in a way been baffling to me but they’re taking their nonsense to new heights.

I also suspect he maybe overselling the “awesome success” of that meme, but I’m a cynic.

tov01
5 years ago

Are these two seriously fighting for the prize of Worst Human Being? It boggles the mind.

#SFHC

I actually have a LiveJournal account. Although I only use it for a few gaming communities, and am generally ignorant of the wider LiveJournal outside of my little bubble. Knowing that I share the site with literal Nazis makes me feel a little dirty.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

…I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but are these guys actually talking about their movement being steeped in white supremacy as a GOOD thing?

I can’t tell if I’m glad that assholes like this are so willing to identify themselves or if I’m angry that they’re comfortable enough to spout off this kind of bullshit in full view of everyone.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

You’re to the left of [Rush Limbaugh]

http://i.imgur.com/tHT1fId.gif

Mike
Mike
5 years ago

You know, I used to read Vice way back in ye olden tymes (that is, the early 00’s) – I remember at the time having the impression that it was basically a progressive publication, but that it was also weirdly punctuated with occasional far-right sentiment. Like, you’d be reading about some culturally-diverse left-leaning artists collective, and then all of a sudden there’d be something about how western governments need to radically curtail immigration, or how gay men shouldn’t be trusted with children. That one of its founders is a reactionary, far-right racist is both kinda sad and totally sensible.

CK
CK
5 years ago

People post those images on Roosh’s forum regularly and get “likes” for it.

marinerachel
marinerachel
5 years ago

Are a lot of Roosh’s followers teenagers?

tov01
5 years ago

Off topic, but I saw this and I had to share:

Similarities Between Anti-Suffragette Posters and Anti-Feminist Memes
https://suite.io/bailey-poland/6qwp2mv

(Probably nothing new for regular readers, but I thought it was an interesting read)

Some sort of username
Some sort of username
5 years ago

@tov01
I remember David covering similar things about old posters and “modern” misogyny a while ago, yeah, but that was rather enlightening. I especially like the last paragraph, pointing out how feminism has evolved (such as intersectionality) while those who oppose it have not.

Zeb Berryman
Zeb Berryman
5 years ago

Note how to anyone who isn’t a neo-Nazi the majority of these insults would ether be good things or at the very least fairly obvious things.

CK
CK
5 years ago

I don’t know for sure but it seems that of Roosh’s followers – the most vitriolic are adults…are probably in their 20’s, 30’s and beyond.
Roosh’s sites have become a gateway to extremist ideologies. He’s helping to make hate and fascism acceptable for young men. It’s ominous.

marinerachel
marinerachel
5 years ago

All I know is they sound like angry kids.

ShakeB
ShakeB
5 years ago

@Brooked Stand back, I’m going in….

As far as I can tell the idea is that it’s so obvious that any policies but those of the far far right will cause the destruction of “Western Civilization” that the people advocating them get off on letting those foreigners/non-whites/gays/etc have their way with western civ. @Cuckservative ‘s bio reads “Is it ok if we sit in the corner and watch you with western civilization?”

and, that’s all I can stand for right now. Going to have a beer and lie down.

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
5 years ago

How does one cuck for Israel? White Nationalists have always in a way been baffling to me but they’re taking their nonsense to new heights.

I’ll take a stab at this. They’re usually pretty easy; you just have to train yourself to think like a White Nationalist… (*ow* *ow* *ow* I keep forgetting how much it hurts when I do that! No wonder they’re so crabby all the time…)

Anyway: “you cuck for Israel” –> “You’re supposed to try to control/dominate America, but you’ve allowed Israel to take over. And now America and Israel are both laughing at your impotence.” Also, “Israel” —> “the Jooooooos”.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Hipster Hitler wannabes? Oy, vey.

Nop
Nop
5 years ago

@brooked “How does one cuck for Israel?”
The implication is that X is getting off on watching Israel fucking X’s wife/GF.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Also, all those “free weev” people must be feeling awfully foolish right about now…

Anisky
5 years ago

I’m going to be boring and suggest that they could just be going with the recent, “trendy” use of “cuckservative” which is basically a catch-all insult hurled at anyone conservative viewed as not being conservative *enough* on multicultural issues. In which case he’d just be saying, “you are being insufficiently conservative about Israel.”

Of course, given that one of the big criticisms of the recent rise of the word “cuckservative” is its racist origins, he’s probably using it at least partially in the older sense, and I’m not familiar with it enough to know if it has wider usage in the racist community than the sexual meaning.

Anisky
5 years ago

Hmm, if it doesn’t, I think “you cuck for Israel” would mean, roughly, “instead of keeping Israel in its place (like you would with a wife), you bow down to it and allow it to make a fool of you (as would be the case of your wife cuckolded you).”

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Because RINO just wasn’t racist, sexist, and vitriolic enough for them.

Now, for an off topic question. This is directed towards anyone in the UK or anyone familiar with their laws. I’m watching The Omen. The original 1976 version. Katherine (Damian’s mom) is pregnant and she asks her husband Robert permission for an abortion and he discusses it with another male character. It was all very creepy. In the 1970’s did women have to get permission from the father for an abortion? Or were these just patriarchal values on display in the movie? Either way. Yuck!

delphi_ote
delphi_ote
5 years ago

“The implication is that X is getting off on watching Israel fucking X’s wife/GF.”

If you’re chuckholding for Israel, aren’t you doing the cuckholding? Shouldn’t Israel be getting off? Does this mean you are fucking a country’s wife? How does that even work? And isn’t Israel usually the BRIDE in religious symbolism?

Oh. My. God. I’ve cracked it! They’re saying Israel is half of a married lesbian couple who are into some really kinky stuff! This is truly Da Vinci Code level thinking.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

Huh, I would have figured that in chucking for Israel, it would be Israel who would be be the icky non-white dood banging the cuckold’s wife, who is America.

Anisky
5 years ago

Oh. My. God. I’ve cracked it! They’re saying Israel is half of a married lesbian couple who are into some really kinky stuff! This is truly Da Vinci Code level thinking.

Particularly weird considering that lesbians can’t marry each other in Israel– Israel would have to leave itself and get married in a state/country where gay and lesbian marriage is legal, and then go back to itself before it would recognize its marriage.

In my corner of the world, both Catholics and Jews are massively over represented in the kink community, though, so that much tracks… Can we extrapolate that perhaps Israel’s wife is a Catholic nation?

Anisky
5 years ago

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to refer to a woman as “it.” I meant to say, “Israel would have to leave herself and get married in a state/country where gay and lesbian marriage is legal, and then go back to herself before she would recognize her marriage.”

I sincerely apologize to anyone I offended.

ColeYote
ColeYote
5 years ago

> You’re to the left of [Rush Limbaugh]

The fact that he considers that an insult really does tell you what kind of people we’re dealing with here.

Silky
5 years ago

@Anise

Thank you. My Real Life Countries fanfiction has a few new ideas now…

guest
guest
5 years ago

‘More people have been converted in the past year by things like images of Anita Sarkeesian being rendered as a happy merchant than were in the three before it.’

Is he suggesting that just seeing this picture magically creates anti-Semites, or what?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@brooked:
“Cuck” in these situations does have the implications suggested, but also has the implication that because of America’s friendship with [said groups], America is somehow shown to be weaker and less manly, and therefore loses the ability to dominate others. It comes from a very black-and-white form of thinking in which one is either the master or the slave. Nietzsche would probably have all sorts of stuff to say about it.

If you look at usage of the term in an interpersonal context rather than a sociological context, it carries a very strong by-the-bootstraps ethos of circular logic which is characteristic of the Right. One is a cuck if one takes a passive role in decision making. Being a cuck saps one’s ability to impose one’s will upon the world; this then forces one further into a passive role. However, if one asserts oneself sufficiently to take an active role and force others into the passive role, then one ceases being a cuck and is now in a situation where one can dictate terms to others with renewed force. As such, anyone who is a cuck is both weak and is also the cause of their own weakness: the way to stop being a cuck is to, well, stop being a cuck.

Put another way, accusing someone of being a cuck is victim-blaming them for being realistic. Which tells you something about the people who use it.

The possibility of consensus or compromise does not, of course, exist in this mode of thinking. If one does not dominate, one is dominated. It’s a sad mindset which can only really exist in the minds of those sufficiently divorced from actual authority to be free to indulge in ideological purity rather than any form of pragmatism.

I seem to have made something of a hobby of studying that insult. Huh. It’s weird how these things happen.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

Going back to the original topic, the thing that fascinates me most about weev’s post is that it entirely ignores the possibility that people may want to ignore things. #GG’s accomplishments are meaningless, their actions unimportant: they exist only as a recruiting tool for the far right. It’s nice to hear that they aren’t pretending that Actually, It’s About Ethics In Game Journalism or anything else like that.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

*Going back to the original topic, the thing that fascinates me most about weev’s post is that it entirely ignores the possibility that people may want to achieve things.

Achieve, not ignore. I can’t brain before 8am.

Kit Fowley
5 years ago

@EJ
If I may add a bit to your studies:
Cuckolding was a very popular disparagement in Western media from as early as the 14th century (The Miller’s Tale in the Canterbury Tales is a good example) and seeing its heyday around the 17th with plays like L’école des femmes and The Country Wife featuring cuckolding as the main driving force of the plot and the primary source of comedy. At the time, the term was to “put the horns” of the cuckold onto someone (alluding to the horns of the stag where males who were defeated by other males will forfeit their mate to the stronger one). This lead to a lot of puns and other not-so-subtle jibes, like a character named Horner in the Country Wife who does exactly what his name suggests, puts horns on the other men in the play by sleeping with their wives. The source of the humor here is, as most forms of humor, misery and the juxtaposition of class and circumstance. These plays often featured proper gentlemen of nobility being humiliated by more clever men who steal the virtue of their wives. I can only assume the way this translates into the contemporary pejorative is that sense of humiliation. The ridiculous thing about the insult is the way it is so based on a toxic idea of masculinity–that it debases the character of a man if he cannot control his wife in the control of her own body. It was, frankly, droll and misogynistic then and it is even more so now. Even without women in the equation–in the sense of cuckolding for… what nonsense did this guy spout, the Jews?–the insult is meant to imply that the insultee is so weak (as a man) that he cannot even control a woman and therefore is subservient in his political positions. It’s as offensive as it is nonsensical.
But it’s at least a little interesting to see people bringing cuckolding back as a punchline after almost completely disappearing from the literary scene in the 18th century when everyone realized it wasn’t really all that funny.

foxkit
foxkit
5 years ago

Also, can I get a t-shirt that says “I’m to the left of Rush Limbaugh” in this style:

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@foxkit:
You can get that t-shirt if I can have one too.

Regarding “cuckold” as an insult, yes it goes back to early roots and is extensively used in 16th and 17th century literature; but in the sense that the Right are using it at the moment, it’s very recent and descends via the pornography genre. This is where it picked up a lot of its racial overtones, since most cuckold pornography features a black bull and a white cuck; those racial overtones come via the “black brute” stereotype and are absent from the traditional early-modern meaning of the term.

I think one of the big differences between the early-modern conception of cuckolding and the 2015 version is that of the involvement of the woman. In Chaucer, the cuckold is seen as betrayed by his wife as much or more than by another man; in the neo-Nazi sense of the term, it’s simply a power struggle between two men without any suggestion that the person in the middle may have some agency in the matter.

For confirmation I think I’d have to look at Southern European sources, where cuckolding never went away; but that’d only be of academic interest since I very much doubt that Italian or Spanish sources really influenced the aggressively white-nativist people who’re using the term now.

Kit Fowley
5 years ago

@EJ
That’s even more gross than I was thinking.

Kit Fowley
5 years ago

“Also, can I get a t-shirt that says “I’m to the left of Rush Limbaugh” in the style of “I’m with stupid <——-"

My HTML skills are weak and my image didn't embed. xp

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Kit – WordPress auto-embeds image links, no HTML or UBB required.

Cyberwulf
Cyberwulf
5 years ago

Ugh why do these people exist

what use are they

TheFormerAstronomer
TheFormerAstronomer
5 years ago

wwth:

Now, for an off topic question. This is directed towards anyone in the UK or anyone familiar with their laws. I’m watching The Omen. The original 1976 version. Katherine (Damian’s mom) is pregnant and she asks her husband Robert permission for an abortion and he discusses it with another male character. It was all very creepy. In the 1970’s did women have to get permission from the father for an abortion? Or were these just patriarchal values on display in the movie? Either way. Yuck!

Permission from the father hasn’t been a requirement since the Abortion Act 1967, but women were (still are) required to get agreement from 2 doctors to get an abortion before the 24th week. In practice this is *reasonably* easy to do these days, but would have been trickier back in the 70s, because none of the reasons covered in the act are ‘because I don’t want to be pregnant’, so a woman would have had to find two pro-choice doctors, which would be easier said than done.

tl:dr – yes, patriarchal values all the way.

Mewens
Mewens
5 years ago

weev apparently mixed up his dog-whistles with his whistle-whistles again.

… wait, forgot, he’s brave. Carry on, you cheeky maverick.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
5 years ago

From the OP:

You’re to the left of [Rush Limbaugh] … a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

It never ceases to amaze me that there exist people who argue over who’s the most cartoonishly evil of them all. It’s like reading a kids’ comic book story about over-the-top bad guy characters competing over the “Villain of the Year” award or something. It would be quite glorious and massively entertaining, if RL bad guys were as endearing as, say, the Beagle Boys.

dslucia1
dslucia1
5 years ago

Interesting, and here I thought #GobbledyGrog was all about ethics in games journalism.

I actually had to give up on a forum thread the other day because some gator jumped into a conversation trying to tell me that, actually, 4chan’s use of a particular word is totes okay because in places that aren’t America it has meanings that aren’t related to homophobia at all, and it’s not like the context of how 4chan uses it obviously implies the homophobic undertones or anything.

ShakeB
ShakeB
5 years ago

@Anarchonist: Reminds me of the old Chapelle’s Show “Player Haters Ball” sketch

TW: Pretty much everything, the whole premise is they are miserable, hateful people.