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Puppies soundly defeated at Hugo Awards; Vox Day declares “I meant to do that.”

Yeah, we're not buying it from you either, Vox.
Yeah, we’re not buying it from you either, Vox.

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So the Hugo Awards were last night, and, as many of you no doubt already know, the Puppies went down in defeat.

For those who haven’t been following the ongoing culture war in the world of science fiction, a group of cultural reactionaries decided to try to strike a blow against what they see as the Social Justice Warriorization of the SF world by essentially stuffing the ballot boxes for the Hugo Award nominations with two slates of their own candidates, dubbed the Sad and the Rabid Puppies. They succeeded in this ignoble task, with many of the categories in the final ballot filled entirely with writers put forward by one or the other of the Puppy slates.

But there’s one peculiar thing about the Hugo ballots: if you don’t like any of the nominees, you can vote for “no award” instead.

And last night, that’s what everyone fed up with the Puppies did. In the five categories where all the nominees were Puppy-nominated, voters picked “no award” over all of them. The only Puppy-endorsed winner? Guardians of the Galaxy, which was such a charmingly entertaining popcorn flick that it transcended Puppy politics altogether

Naturally, the Puppies and their supporters claimed … victory? Well some of them did, anyway.

Meanwhle, Vox Day — the famously reactionary, racist, woman-hating fantasy author who headed up the Rabid Puppies — tried to spin the giant loss as a sort of nihilistic victory for the forces of reactionary chaos.

In his first blog post about the results of the Hugo votes, Day managed to sort of admit that the Puppies had, yes, failed. Of those voting for “no award,” Day wrote,

They are practicing a scorched earth strategy, and we can certainly assist them in that since we do not value their territory. I still think it was worth trying to take Berlin and end the war in one fell swoop, but even though our attempt break them once and for all failed, that only means that the victory was less than complete.

But in later posts he banished the f-word and tried to convince the world, like Pee Wee Herman after his famous bicycle spill in Pee Wee’s Great Adventure, that he’d “meant to do that.”

In his second post on the Hugo results, Day declared

The five categories burned last night are only the first sparks of the cleansing conflagration that is coming.

In a later post, he wrote

It’s fascinating to see SJWs desperately trying to cling to their Narrative on Twitter and elsewhere. They’re insisting that we’re mad, that we’re crying, that we’re upset, when the fact is that I knew this would be the result this year prior to creating Rabid Puppies.

He knew it all along!

Pee Wee, take it away:

For more details on the Hugos, and more of Vox’s spinning, check out the accounts on Wired and the Wall Street Journal. 

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Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
9 years ago

Ah, I haven’t heard any of that before. I never knew Wright ever was affiliated with Tor. It’s most amusing that this man would complain about someone acting petulantly when I’ve seen him appear in comments of articles critical of him to whine and insult the writer, like when he called Philip Sandifer’s anti-Puppies article incoherent (in the most incoherent way possible at that—he claims to be a teetotaler but it was like he was drunk when he responded) and doesn’t try to offer any counter arguments (yet in his journal claims no one tried to counter his arguments, only insult him—the mind boggles).

I have a feeling Lamplighter is exaggerating events too. It sounds more like Hayden had some harsh things to say about Wright and she was shocked hearing anything negative. It’s only a guess but the way she talks about swearing makes it sound like she’s very unused to it.

I love how they go on about “left-wing propaganda” without ever realizing the works they nominated were often propaganda too, including Wright’s own One Bright Star to Guide Them with it’s wicked magician fueling his magic with abortions. It’s like the right-wingers who call anyone to their left biased without any irony.

loganbacon
loganbacon
9 years ago

@pecunium
If his fiction is anything like his prose, “no award” was truly the best choice by a mile.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

This could just be me, but I can’t stand shitty people using their religion as a way to be shitty.

That whole spiel by Wright talking about how this guy could go get salvation makes my skin crawl. Especially the bit where he pretty much says that PNH could not have the last twenty years of crap that got awards held against him on Judgment Day by “kneeling and asking”.

Like seriously fuck off. Just. No. People wanting SciFi to be more inclusive isn’t a mortal fucking sin. People wanting SciFi to be more inclusive and who don’t want your books aren’t “Christ Haters”.

Pull your head out of your ass you arrogant, prideful, self-serving son of a bitch, and don’t use your fucking religion as a soapbox for your shit-spewing.

Good lord. It’s like these people forget that Christ was pretty much a hippie liberal who was in love with a sex worker and had the radical leftist propaganda of “love thy neighbor”.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

@pecunium

Wright’s post is… wow. Wow. I guess he actually believes he’s correctly describing things that actually happen, but wow.

It seemed that the monster known as Vox Day is a creation entirely of Mr. Patrick Nielsen Hayden.

Theodore Beale, some years ago, was a well respected judge of the Nebula Award committee for SFWA, and a writer of a libertarian column for a conservative website. Out of the blue, unprovoked, and unannounced, Mr. Hayden launched a series of bitter personal attacks against Mr. Beale. The two men were not acquaintances, and the attacks were based solely on the conservative or libertarian ideas Mr. Beale express in a column written for a conservative or libertarian readership in a conservative journal.

It was thought policing pure and simple. Reading back through the archives and old comments, one is astonished to come across a remark by John Scalzi chiding Mr Hayden for being a thought policeman, and criticizing an author’s outside political writings into the discussion. This was before Mr. Scalzi became the bootlicking toady of Mr. Hayden, obviously.

Even more astonishing, the remarkable and controversial stances Mr. Beale delights to strike were nowhere in evidence in those pre-Hayden days, nor is there is single comment by any woman anywhere that he was anything other than a perfect gentleman. Mr. Beale’s opinions about the scientific basis of an alleged genetic equality of the races and sexes appear to have been provoked (at least at first) by sheer, cussedly perverse delight in pointing out the flaws and blindspots in Mr. Hayden’s political dogmas.

I’m guessing Hayden made Vox Day by dropping Beale into a vat of toxic chemicals.

https://youtu.be/Ea1mo79ZBi4

Does Wright even realize how outlandish and pathetic this all sounds, that he’s basically claiming Beale is a convictionless troll who every behavior has been shaped by his need for revenge on an acquiring editor at Tor Books. Yes, that’s how life and people work.

Oddly, Wright’s account doesn’t quite gibe with SFWA’s Official Kicking the Mouthy Bigoted Asshat to the Curb Report, even though it does mention how Beale called Mr Hayden a “fat frog”. (That may not be the report exact title.)

http://www.voxday.net/mart/SFWA_report.pdf

pecunium
9 years ago

It doesn’t gibe with my memory of events.

About a dozen years ago, when Beale was still writing for World Net (I think), and making a stink (I’d seen him here and there) Teresa got wind of one of his posts (he was already using VD as a nom de plume).

She savaged his logic, excoriated his prose, and generally spanked to hell and back.

He took umbrage, and attempted a reply in the comment section (I am not sure if it the combined Making Light of today, I rather think it was still Electrolite for Patrick, and ML for Teresa.

We handed him his ass.

A few months later some other topic came up, and; like a puppet on a string, he tried again. He’s never been back, in person since.

(As an aside, it is not Mr. Hayden, it’s Nielsen Hayden (no hyphen). This person telling him so is worth reading:

Comment by Michael Z. Williamson:
Monday, August 24th 2015 at 11:50 am |

Oh, don’t be ridiculous. Traditions are not law, and US law specifically provides for this. As does law in every other English-speaking and European-derived nation. It is in fact standard in some very Catholic Hispanic nations.

Millions of people do so. They care not one whit what Mr Lamplighter may think of the matter.

I know of Christians who , between Christian and family names, to distinguish them. James Wesley, Rawles is one.

I know of a very devout Christian who took his Lutheran wife’s name of “Karlson” just because it was more distinctive and interesting than his family name of “Wilson.”

It was common practice in parts of the Celtic world, well into Christendom, and still is in pockets.

It was accepted practice in the Viking world, even post-Christianity, at various times.

Nor do you know what name is actually on his official certificates. “Prince,” “Topol” and others style themselves so, while maintaining other names.

Your belief that your own prejudices are inarguable law, against extant fact is absurd.

More importantly, this is exactly the argument you make against the existing “custom” of literary fandom. They have stated your wishes are irrelevant.

To demand a concession in one area, while denying it another–over which you have no legal, moral or even cultural standing, is hypocritical.

Further, you ignore this custom yourself in public, since your wife uses her maiden name professionally. You can’t even argue that point, because numerous female artists HAVE converted to their married name professionally.

Such pompous arrogation of an authority you were never granted reduces the credibility and tone of your entire article.

brooked
brooked
9 years ago

@pecunium

Whoops, my mistake, I hadn’t read the comments and forgot that’s how he writes his name.

Brad R. Torgersen brings the hyperbole and current bullshit arguments to Wright’s blog:

John, it would seem the zealousness of the “True Fans” decided to errupt all at once, in one night of celebratory fury. In order to destroy Beale, they destroyed Toni Weisskopf and Sheila Williams and you and Mike Flynn and Mike Resnick, and everybody else they could link back to Beale. Whether those people wanted to be linked or not. So, in order to “save” the award from a man they say hates women, they destroyed the award rightly owed to women. They did it in front of those women. To their faces.

That Patrick decided to burn Jagi’s olive branch does not surprise me in the least. It saddens me. But it does not surprise me.

I fear the total culture war is going to just keep going downhill from here. A darkness is spreading in the hearts of men. We saw some of that darkness in Spokane. And I agree very much: this has been a cultivated darkness. Many people who predate the Nielsen-Haydens in the field, have been muttering to me: “Things didn’t used to be like this.” That the present situation has gotten this bad . . . well, the “True Fans” can wrap themselves in the shabby threads of a once-great flag — a flag they worked hard to tarnish, and then scrubbed underfoot.

I think Michael Rothman’s kids are the #1 most accurate bellwether of the “True Fandom” future.

@ Shaenon

Anyway, Worldcon was a great time. It’s a very friendly, inclusive, laid-back convention.

But what of the darkness, the encroaching darkness? Plus, seeing the lifeless bodies of those poor destroyed editors strewn about must have been haunting.

Only Torgersen and his pals’ nonstop right wing paranoia, ham-fisted politicking and self-serving bellyaching can save fandom, because kids love that sort of thing.

Rabukurafuto
Rabukurafuto
9 years ago

“True fans”, eh? It sure seemed like it was Torgersen and his buddies who were claiming to be the “true fans of SFF fighting to save the Hugos from inclusion over story”.

Sorry about not getting Nielsen Hayden’s name wrong. I never heard of him until now.

katz
katz
9 years ago

Only Torgersen and his pals’ nonstop right wing paranoia, ham-fisted politicking and self-serving bellyaching can save fandom, because kids love that sort of thing.

http://memoirsofachildhooddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/children-who-are-wrong.jpg

Moggie
Moggie
9 years ago

Wait, JCW called Moshe Feder a “Christ hater”? Nope, no whiff of anti-semitism there…

As for this:

I am, in all modesty, a skilled author, one of the finest writing today.

Just… no. If that turgid mess is representative of his writing, he’s probably not even the finest writer in his street.

ikanreed
ikanreed
9 years ago

@Oliver_C

Has Theodore Beale bothered to notice that, unlike him, “Grand Master” John C. Wright *supports* female suffrage, however reluctantly? I sense an ideological split coming on…

One of the interesting things about authoritarian politics is that they will hastily unite in their destruction of an enemy, ignoring previous assertions that other right wing authoritarians were the enemy.

When they see an enemy they could effectively destroy, there’s no standard of ethics they actually care to live up to. Including the one that they’re justifying the current hatred on.

Everything is measured in terms of allies and enemies. Everything. And allies are merely ones of convenience for the enemy du jour.

History Nerd
History Nerd
9 years ago

Larry Correia’s books got fairly positive reviews, and critics mostly ignored his conservative libertarian leanings. The books just weren’t winning big name awards, and people attributed that to books getting the awards simply for having “social justice” focuses. Vox Day realized he could use the opportunity to radicalize people into far right white nationalism, so he struck an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” deal (I don’t think Correia is as much of an utterly reprehensible person as Day is).

History Nerd
History Nerd
9 years ago

For what it’s worth, Correia declined his 2015 Hugo nomination, which suggests he might have a modicum of integrity.

I didn’t even know who John C. Wright was before he was on the Sad/Rabid Puppies slate.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

My first thought after he stormed off was; isn’t it interesting that he yelled at the one person in the room whose only reaction is going to be to pray for him.

Is that what he calls that screed?

Are they really trying to make Vox Day look better by trying to explain that this whole thing was a result of his personal vendetta against Patrick Nielsen Hayden? Seriously? All this because he has held a grudge against one man for ten plus years? Yeah, that looks good.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/4ee9c1c58155b1062349eb7b322f0fe4/tumblr_mf8cor9BgE1rsm741o1_500.gif

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
9 years ago

It’s better than blaming it on Scalzi.

Falconer
Falconer
9 years ago

I mean, he already didn’t look good when the story was “They were afraid I was going to run a number on the Hugos last year, so I did it this year. That’ll show ’em.”

pecunium
9 years ago

It’s a form of Dolchstosslegende, and they’ve chosen Patrick as the locus on which to frame the conspiracy. I don’t quite know why, save that he’s an editor and fantastic stories of his power to shape the field can be woven; which will be plausible to those ignorant of how things work.

One of the clever rhetorical tricks is the “if he still has any control over him” about Tom Doherty; implying that the Social Justice Cabal secretly runs TOR, and Patrick is the real boss.

katz
katz
9 years ago

I am, in all modesty, a skilled author, one of the finest writing today.

If you have to tell people that…oh dear.

pecunium
9 years ago

I may have found something to top Wright:

I point you to this. I haven’t seen a better write-up of SJW scummery or a more rational, logical discussion of why this year’s Hugo awards were an embarrassment and a black mark on science fiction writ large.

skiriki
9 years ago

All he has to do is kneel and ask.

KNEEL BEFORE ZOD

Tor, thanks once more to Mr. Hayden, has lost the otherwise unshakeable love and loyalty of one of their more skilled writers, namely, yours truly.

Somehow, I don’t think that the loss is gonna be that great for Tor.

isn’t it interesting that he yelled at the one person in the room whose only reaction is going to be to pray for him.

No, not FOR him, AT him.

There’s a vast difference between those two, and you were going to do AT, not FOR. It is easy enough to mix up those two, when you’re the one doing it.

SaltNoodles
SaltNoodles
9 years ago

I’ve never posted on here but I have to say that I think the approach George R R Martin advocated was better than the “nuclear” no award option.

Nuking the Hugos in a fit of pique doesn’t seem to help fix the underlying problem which is with the nomination process.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ skiriki

you were going to do AT, not FOR

I’ve always preferred ON as a way of winning debates; and sorting lunch. 😉

pecunium
9 years ago

re:

Tor, thanks once more to Mr. Hayden, has lost the otherwise unshakeable love and loyalty of one of their more skilled writers, namely, yours truly.

He has an interesting definition of both “unshakeable” and “loyalty”.

Commenters on file770 noted that John Wright made a curious offer in one of Vox Day’s blogposts: http://voxday.blogspot.sg/2015/07/rabid-puppies-dont-forget-to-vote.html#c6112301951867081489 .

“I will make you the same deal I have made other readers in the same situation: if you send me your email, I will share my electronic copies of my manuscripts with you, free of charge.

My email is on my journal page at scifiwright.com. Just scroll down to the bottom.

If you want to give me a tip, there is a tip jar on my journal page. I get about a dollar and a half per hardback from each Tor sale, 75 cents for a paperback.”

pecunium
9 years ago

Crud… I’d cut/paste and private window the VD link. I forgot it would go live, there are two links in that post, the first is to a Dreamwidth account talking about puppy issues.

skiriki
9 years ago

@Alan:

I’ve always preferred ON as a way of winning debates; and sorting lunch.

I knew you were a reptilian under that skin! Take it off! Take it off or I will point at you and ululate the song of Feminist High Council!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ skiriki

To quote from the best film on feminism ever:

Dr. Kurtz: This is a war! A war between men and women. Anything short of cannibalism is just beating around the bush.