Categories
antifeminism douchebaggery doxing false accusations gross incompetence harassment internet tough guy men who should not ever be with women ever misogyny MRA paul elam

In deleted post, AVFM’s Paul Elam threatens to spread dirt on journalists “like gonorrhea in a whorehouse.”

Paul Elam: Still unhappy with his GQ photo shoot
Paul Elam: Still unhappy with his GQ photo shoot

The We Hunted the Mammoth Pledge Drive is on! Please consider donating through the PayPal button below. Thanks!

So in my last post, I noted that A Voice for Men’s excitable founder Paul Elam was threatening to dig into the lives of alleged “yellow journalists” he thinks have libelled him in an effort to discover the alleged “skeletons in [their] closet[s].”

Unfortunately, he’d deleted the post in which he gave the details of this new, er, initiative, so I couldn’t give more details.

But now one helpful We Hunted the Mammoth reader, Alice Sanguinaria, has dug up the Google cache of his original post, and has conveniently saved an archived version of it.

So here are some highlights of that post — that is, some of the things that Elam decided he probably shouldn’t actually be saying in public.

After starting off his post by complaining that “many, many bloggers, mainstream ‘journalists’ and major publications have chronically lied about and fabricated defamatory stories” about him and his pals, Elam went on to make some highly charged accusations against some of these writers.

The first name on his list: Jeff Sharlet, the author of a highly unflattering GQ portrait of Elam and his AVFM cohorts.

GQ writer Jeff Sharlet recruited a pedophile and inserted him at ICMI 14 in order to cast us in a horrific light. He also brought a young woman in to attempt to sexually entice a member of AVFM’s staff into a compromising position so he could write from that angle. This is not allegation, it is fact.

Elam offered no evidence whatsoever to back up these alleged facts, which appear utterly ridiculous on their face.

He also deliberately took a statement by Dan Perrins way out of context in order to defame him.

Here’s the statement Elam is evidently referring to, as Sharlet presented it in his GQ piece:

For Dan Perrins, one of the security black shirts, it was the day he ended up in jail, after he says he lodged a complaint against his ex, the beginning of a legal battle that led him to a hunger strike. “I should have killed the bitch five years ago,” he tells me. “I’d be out by now.”

I would be interested in seeing the “context” that Elam evidently thinks will make this statement smell better.

Elam continued with somewhat less lurid accusations against two other writers, charging Buzzfeed’s Adam Serwer with “blend[ing the] claimed woes” of former family members “with a pack of lies and us[ing] that to disparage me on Buzzfeed,” and Mother Jones’ Mariah Blake of doing “a complete con job … cherry picking everything she could in order to paint a false picture of myself and Warren Farrell.”

And then Elam, warming to his subject, laid out what he had in mind for these writers and others he feels have wronged him in print and online.

So far, we have only responded to all this treachery with refuting the material written about us on our page. This was far more civil than these people AND THEIR ENABLERS deserve.

In the months ahead we will be teaching some of these people, all that we can, a lesson or three about what happens when you go too far in provoking the wrong people.

So, you can bet right now that if Jeff Sharlet, Mariah Blake, Adam Serwer and a whole lot of other people have dirt in their backgrounds, we are going to dig it up and spread it around like gonorrhea in a whorehouse.

That goes for their family members and embittered exes as well. Two can play at that game and it is our turn.

Oh, but he wasn’t done. He also claimed he would go after

every employee, especially senior management, at publications like Mother Jones, GQ, Buzzfeed, Washington Post, Time Magazine, The Houston Press, Maclean’s Magazine, and many more.

And why stop there? Elam then threatened to bring his crusade not only to “[t]hose who have libeled us, or work for a publication that has libeled us” but also to “everyone they know,” whom he declared “fair game for a fair and certain return of what they have dished out.”

That’s right: everyone they know.

How exactly Elam figures that someone who happens to know someone who works for Time magazine, say, could possibly be held responsible for anything in that magazine is not exactly clear.

Elam went on to promise that “[u]nlike them, we will only print what we can prove,” a claim that seems rather dubious given AVFM’s long and unglorious track record with “proof.”

He then claimed to have connections to “some people with real reach” who would be able to bring his alleged “proof” to the world.

He ended with a virtual declaration of war:

We have tolerated this abuse for far too long. We are done playing nice with miserable, lying hacks.

And this creepy coda:

Now I can go on to have a fantastic day.

Apparently Elam gets quite a boost from threatening to ruin the lives of people who happen to know people who happen to know people he doesn’t like.

But this boost doesn’t seem to have lasted long. With even some of his supporters suggesting he was going too far, Elam deleted his post and replaced it with an apology of sorts, though he didn’t actually take back any of the accusations he had made.

Luckily for us, Google remembers what Elam would like everyone to forget.

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

51 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

For all his rabid spittle-foam about “Libel” that isn’t libel, he’s going to get his arse pinned to the legal wall for that “Recruited a paedophile!” (that Paulie Boy openly agrees with and happily welcomed into his treehouse…) bit of actual libel.

pecunium
6 years ago

Oh boy. That’s either going so pear-shaped as to put Elam (at least) in the poorhouse (if not prison), along with anyone who helps him, or (if they merely stick to what they can prove), nowhere.

Assuming he actually tries to dig up dirt; and someone engages in hacking to try and dig up info, game over when the money Mother Jones, or time, or even Buzzfeed has to pay lawyers comes into play.

That, and (in all probability) the feds, because that’s gonna be an interstate violation.

Johanna Roberts
6 years ago

Because threatening people who point out what you really are is TOTALLY a way to win friends and influence people. =__=

idledillettante
6 years ago

I’m genuinely surprised Elam didn’t threaten to dig up dirt about you and your cats.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Can we please put this terrorist in jail now?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It’s hilarious that Paul thinks he’s so important that anyone would actually recruit a pedophile to take him down. And what does it say about them that they can be tricked into accepting a pedophile with open arms anyway? By making this claim, all Paulie is doing is reminding everyone that MRAs think raping little girls is okay. It also doesn’t say anything to good about MRAs that they regard an attractive woman as rape bait.

crassenti
6 years ago

Wow I’ve never seen someone go after Canada’s own Mcleans Magazine before – this guy must really be desperate

Bazia
Bazia
6 years ago

It’s the last gasp for AVFM. I hope he goes ahead and attacks people who have resources and are expecting it. Let AVFM expend the rest of its waning energy sniping at untouchable enemies. Very good.

I’ve seen a few of the martyr pieces he writes after the threatening ones. I wish he’d dump another one of those online — they are really fun to read.

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

Those photos of Paul Elam:

(left) Dangerous hitchhiker; (right) Halloween mask

It’s stunning that he thinks those photos lend him credibility.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

comment image

Alpine, RN
Alpine, RN
6 years ago

I think it’s funny that he clearly imagines that he can dig up meaningful dirt on INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS that will make them squirm. i mean…I doubt he can play with the big boys and girls :-p

painteyelash
painteyelash
6 years ago

The Men’s Human Rights activism is strong with this one, oh yeah!

CCD
CCD
6 years ago

Will he punish three generations of a family, for one family member’s “crimes”? You know, like they do in North Korea?

This guy seriously needs to chill. Perhaps with the money he has bilked from his followers, he can move to Colorado and obtain a steady supply of weed.

Kat
Kat
6 years ago

@CCD

This guy seriously needs to chill. Perhaps with the money he has bilked from his followers, he can move to Colorado and obtain a steady supply of weed.

Finally, a sensible suggestion for Paul Elam!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

So, you can bet right now that if Jeff Sharlet, Mariah Blake, Adam Serwer and a whole lot of other people have dirt in their backgrounds, we are going to dig it up and spread it around like gonorrhea in a whorehouse.

And this is to serve the cause of Men’s HUMAN Rights™ how, again?

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
6 years ago

What I’m hung up on is: how do you go about hiring a pedophile anyway? I mean, most of the open pedophiles we see don’t exactly call themselves that, they come up with all sorts of justifications for why they’re not actually horrible people. How do you find one, say “Hey, if you go to this thing and pretend to be one of those MRA types, people will think they’re horrible because you’re horrible, and we’d like that” and expect him to agree? How does that work?

I know I’m getting lost in the weirder little details of this man’s strange, strange mind, but seriously.

katz
6 years ago

Rabid Rabbit: That was my big question, too. Not like you can just pop down to Pedophiles-R-Us.

megpie71
6 years ago

Bina: about the same way everything else that they’ve done (or said they were going to do) so far has done so.

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

like gonorrhea in a whorehouse.

I realize he hates all women, but Pauly seems to have particular contempt for sex workers. I suspect erotophobia.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

Jeff Sharlet is one of the best and most respected journalist/writers around. The other project he was working on last year involved interviewing gay men in Russia. I think he found the comparison between the actual oppression and danger the Russian gays were living with and the imaginary oppression the MRAs whine about rather striking.

Deborah Hitchens (@Deb_Hitchens)

no doubt one of his cronies will be videoing him yet again, revealing his absolute indignation..
I love how they all video each other to try and give themselves an air of importance!
Nobodies dreaming of being somebodies…
Over bloated ego’s should be burst with a very sharp pin wherever you may find them!

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

I don’t know whether to be thankful or sad that David wasn’t mentioned here. I mean, David’s “libeling” him by quoting huge chunks of his articles and linking directly to them like every other day!

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

It is at this point that I would like to beg everyone’s indulgence and request your most delicious recipes for popcorn, because I will need lots if this goes the way I think it will.

saitonexus
6 years ago

First time commenting here, been reading/lurking for ages now tho. So firstly, ahoy everyone!

Secondly: what I found the most… I almost types “interesting”, but that sounds too positive so I’ll go with “telling”, was Elam’s declaration that Sharlet “also brought a young woman in to attempt to sexually entice a member of AVFM’s staff into a compromising position so he could write from that angle.” It’s so telling because it reveals the assumptions on his part, about both Sharlet and about the young woman in question – of COURSE that’s why she was there, why else would he have brought her? What other purpose could she serve? And, naturally, if this nefarious plot succeeded and any AVFM staffer hit on her or made sexual advances or what have you, well, that’s her fault for SEDUCING him! Her very presence as an attractive woman is the problem, not the behavior of the men around her who choose to react that way.

He assumes everyone else thinks, and operates, like he and his MRA skeevewagon think and operate.

Merus
Merus
6 years ago

The use of declaring his targets are ‘fair game’, that is, that it’s allowable to use any means to punish them, including attacking them directly, pricks up my ears – it’s a favoured tactic of Scientology, for instance.

One of the hallmarks of totalist thought structures is that the leaders of the movement that created the believe that they are qualified to decide who does and doesn’t count as a human being. They cannot tolerate the idea of a reasonable person who disagrees with them, because their entire movement is built on the idea that their truth is obvious and comprehensive, and that those who believe it are better in some way than those who do not. This means that their opponents must be monsters.

Feminism is generally better in this regard, although totalist thought is by no means confined to the extreme right and there have been feminists who have built a little cult around their (invariably shitty) interpretation of feminism, such as Requires Hate in the sci-fi community.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
6 years ago

I thought of the Scientology factor as well, and mentioned it on the post preceding this one.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

What I’m hung up on is: how do you go about hiring a pedophile anyway? I mean, most of the open pedophiles we see don’t exactly call themselves that, they come up with all sorts of justifications for why they’re not actually horrible people. How do you find one, say “Hey, if you go to this thing and pretend to be one of those MRA types, people will think they’re horrible because you’re horrible, and we’d like that” and expect him to agree? How does that work?

I can’t remember or be arsed to check if that particular guy identified as a “pedophile”, and it doesn’t matter. It’s enough that he pretty openly advocated child abuse. If he’s already doing that kind of “activism”, he’s indeed an open pedophile and you could hire him to hang out with the MRAs, if he’s not already doing that too.

Most people probably haven’t actually seen open pedophiles like him, so they would assume you could realistically only hire an actor to play one. However, Elam implicitly grants us that these open pedophiles do exist, it’s just that the MRM has nothing to do with them…

Philip Rose
6 years ago

I’m not sure what he hopes to accomplish. The writers who used to spread pedophile accusations against people who did blogs, vlogs & articles on him & his cohorts have all abandoned him.
Without them he’s just left with posting wild accusations on twitter and his website that no one really cares about.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

The use of declaring his targets are ‘fair game’, that is, that it’s allowable to use any means to punish them, including attacking them directly, pricks up my ears – it’s a favoured tactic of Scientology, for instance.

Oh dear Bog. That would explain a lot, including Paulie’s dubious history as a drug/alcohol counselor. Wasn’t one of Scientology’s “anti-drug” strategies the induction of complete mental breakdowns in the subjects, by insulting them in every way and by every means possible?

spacelawn
6 years ago

Elam sure doesn’t look very flattering on that picture, but you should not judge a book by its cover.

Although this book probably should….

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

If Paulie doesn’t want to be portrayed by the media as a ginormous douchebag, maybe try not being a ginormous douchebag? Journalists aren’t the one ruining his reputation. He is.

So, you can bet right now that if Jeff Sharlet, Mariah Blake, Adam Serwer and a whole lot of other people have dirt in their backgrounds, we are going to dig it up and spread it around like gonorrhea in a whorehouse.

Yeah, that should go well. Commit defamation and invasion of privacy against seasoned journalists backed up by large corporations with deep pockets and years of experience.

MRAs aren’t just “an eye for an eye”, they’re an H-bomb for an eye. Except that it usually ends up being an own goal for an eye.

Binjabreel
6 years ago

Yep- and Scientology bought out NarcAnon and the Cult Action Network,

bekabot
6 years ago

Other half of Elamite statement:

“Misogynist:

A man who thinks other men are flighty, biased, arbitrary crabby babies — and expects them to act that way.”

Thank you.

epitome of incomprehensibility

@bekabot – ahaha. Indeed.

@crassenti – I know, right? From what I’ve seen of it, Macleans comes off as rather stodgy and… I dunno, conservatively Canadier-than-thou… not exactly the bastion of cultural Marxist SJWs or whoever Paul Elam thinks his enemies are.

@Fruitloopsie – can I wish you Happy Birthday? I’m rather late, but I saw your post a few days ago. Have a great year! 🙂

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

@Bina
that wouldn’t work because he both used to be a psychologist and is offering services as one now, and scientology bans psychologist, it sees them as evil or something.

Paradoxical Intention
6 years ago

Robjec | August 24, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@Bina
that wouldn’t work because he both used to be a psychologist and is offering services as one now, and scientology bans psychologist, it sees them as evil or something.

Paul Elam has never been a psychologist. He’s been a counselor for people who have drug problems, but he’s never been a licensed psychologist.

As for his failed project “An Ear For Men”, it’s literally him conning men out of 90 dollars an hour to talk at them.

painteyelash
painteyelash
6 years ago

This part of Elam’s post:

“That goes for their family member and embittered exes as well.” reminds me a bit of that whole Zoey Quinn thing with her ex-boyfriend. Als, I am wondering how he can not (will not) see that his “I was just tired!” excuse doesn’t add up. How many people start to threaten other people and their exes because they are “tired”? Come on, Mr Elam. We see right through you.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

that wouldn’t work because he both used to be a psychologist and is offering services as one now, and scientology bans psychologist, it sees them as evil or something.

No, he wasn’t a psychologist; he doesn’t have that much education. And you’re thinking of psychiatry, in which practitioners prescribe medication for mental illnesses (really, physical illnesses with mental side effects). Scientology holds that this is evil and wrong because mental illness isn’t caused by a physical condition requiring medication, but by invisible alien beings glommed all over your brain, holding you back. Or some such. But really, it’s to keep hooking the vulnerable and the gullible on the “drugs” that Scientology proffers…namely, laughable horseshit theories about aliens, and ridiculous methods to rid oneself of them…for $$$ galore. In other words, not so very different from what Paulie’s doing. Just swap out aliens for women, and you’ve basically got the gist.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

Basically, Paulie is a grifter who isn’t good enough to make in the the much more lucrative religious cons like Scientology.

jaygee
jaygee
6 years ago

If Elam didn’t want his movement associated with pedophilia, why wasn’t that “ephebophile” turned away or asked to leave. They asked a self identifying feminist to leave.

Also if it is so easy to defame a group with pedophilia, why don’t the MRAs hire some pedophile to infiltrate GQ? They make it sound so simple!

Leda Atomica
6 years ago

I have always thought the MRA PR an odd thing. They poke and poke people by saying the most vile things possible, and this is their only manner of ‘public conversation’.
But then they blame it on everybody else when they achieve their goal of looking as vile as possible, pretending this is not the case at all.
What? How?

Miss Andry
6 years ago

Dean Esmay has a new article on AVfM claiming that Jeff Sharlet laughed at him for being a survivor of sexual abuse (I doubt that happened) and that he brought in a pedophile in order to deliberately terrify rape victims. Or something. Reeks of bullshit like everything else Dean Esmay says.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Maybe Sharlet did laugh at him. If he was doing that thing MRAs love to do. Comparing not getting laid after buying dinner to being raped. Or just in general, framing being turned down for sex as a human rights violation. I too doubt he mocked Dean for being an abuse. I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that he laughed in that nervous, uncomfortable way people sometimes do. Just because someone laughs, doesn’t mean they find something funny. I’m a nervous laugher.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

It bemuses me when people use the excuse of “I was tired” when they have said something horrendous. Being tired doesn’t turn a decent person temporarily into a horrendous person. It just removed the brake that is a little voice saying “other people won’t think that’s a nice thing to think”. It doesn’t make a decent person horrendous, it just reveals the horrendous person they always were behind the public mask.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

Not that Paulie had a very effective public mask anyway, of course.

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

So Paulie gets worn thin and driven to post threats against others because of apparent libel etc in the press… but women like Sarkeesian, who have to leave their homes for safety, are drama queens making the whole online abuse thing up for cash and prizes.

Sounds about right, for their general level of reasoning. Which is the level underneath the sub-level underneath the second basement of reasoning.

If I believed in the David Icke lizard-people thing, I would suspect Paulie was a lizard-person who got the instructions wrong and is now rogue.

Mathew Kagis
Mathew Kagis
6 years ago

“And everyone they know”… I think Paul has been watching re-runs of “The Usual Suspects” a bit heavily. He’s no Kaiser Soze.

Phoenix Woman
6 years ago

Looks like the standard scenario originally seen in the wild at Free Republic nearly twenty years ago: Someone using a conservative site (either siteowner or ally) posts something they shouldn’t – like, say, the SSN and credit card information of the manager at Chuy’s who dared report the Bush Twins for underage drinking – then takes it down (or has it taken down) after a few hours, by which time several dozen conservative activists have already passed it on to all of their trusted friends.

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

Oh opps, I guess I was giving him to much credit. I just see him mentioned as licensed so much I guess I just beleaved it :p.

tguerrant
tguerrant
6 years ago

Premature Elamulation?

Y’know, when I went to Extortion Summer Camp, we were taught to dig up the dirt BEFORE making the threats. Aidan The Friendliest Counselor said that was because if you had a Premature Elamulation instead, your targets would have time to get you first.

Aidan also said it was a bad idea to let any target know you had other targets because if the targets buddy up, your ass is grass. This could be especially bad if a group of targets is identifiable as a group that others belong to, like, y’know, journalists and publishers. Your ass ends up being crab grass.