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Red Pill Redditors hope #AshleyMadison leaks will lead to influx of embittered losers

Take the Blue Pill! The Red Pill turns you into a giant douchebag.
Take the Blue Pill! The Red Pill turns you into a giant douchebag.

So it’s not just #GamerGaters, 8channers, Gawker editors, and divorce lawyers who are hoping to benefit in a big way from the data dump of illegally hacked user information from AshleyMadison.com, the once (but probably not future) dating site for would-be cheaters.

Over in the Red Pill subreddit, the regulars are hoping it leads to a giant wave of angry, newly redpilled recruits. In a post with nearly 300 upvotes, one Red Piller offers his predictions: 

Prepare for the following:

1) Massive user influx from men who have the courage to search for their spouses.

2) Massive re-allocation of wealth through divorce courts.

3) Society, as a whole, coming to the realization that men want young, attractive women.

Fasten your seatbelts and remember NEVER GET MARRIED!

Another Red Piller sums up the thoughts of many of his comrades, declaring simply that “[t]his is going to be glorious.”

Still another finds himself chuckling at the idea of all the Blue Pill men who will suffer as a result of the leaks.

I think of the simpering beta males who might lose their relationship or marriage for signing up to the site. I then think that some percentage of these guys who attempted to have an affair failed at doing so. Getting broken up with for trying and failing to cheat is just delicious.

Not everyone in the thread is completely sure that all the “simpering beta males” will respond by alpha-male-ing it up — especially those who discover that it’s their wife who has been cheating on them.

[A] lot of cucked blue pill men are gonna deal with it and get cucked.

This could easily go the other way entirely, especially living in the era of women pushing for poly/open/cuck situations to be socially accepted.

Face it, 90% of these men got cucked because they’re blue pill and most of them are gonna stay that way… if anything, this will help further the push toward mainstream, open cucking for blue pillers.

That is, assuming that anything more than a tiny percentage of the female profiles on the site are real. As one Red Piller complains,

theres not going to be much opportunity for datamining whore behavior/tendencies/preferences since most of the female profiles are fake.

While the general consensus amongst the Red Pillers is that cheating wives are “whores,” men who cheat are driven to it by the evils of contemporary marriage.

“Why are so many men trying to escape their marriage through infidelity and affairs?”

The answer to that, we’ve been lied to about marriage, about women, and about love. I still think we will see a good influx mainly because the men will ideally be free from their shit marriage and begin to wonder “maybe there’s something I can do to avoid this, maybe I can LEARN from my mistakes”.

If these guys actually think that the Red Pill subreddit has any real answer to their real or imaginary woes, I’d say that’s a sign they haven’t learned very much at all.

H/T — r/TheBluePill

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mockingbird
mockingbird
6 years ago

use*

*spikes phone*

mockingbird
mockingbird
6 years ago

Oh, and I found an article called“8 Love Lessons Women Should Learn from Mistresses” and I’m about to vomit from all the Special Snowflake, I’m Not Like Other Girls, Boys Lookit Me! Syndrome.

Ew.

I read it and she does dance around one truth: People don’t like it when someone they love treats them like a chore rather than a pleasure.

But note that it’s “people” not just “men”.

And people who don’t realize that day-to-day life necessarily involves some chore-to-pleasure ratio rather than pure pleasure all the way down are too immature for actual, adult relationships.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

Katz:

Might be, but it sounds like they’re falsely promoting it as a site with more women on it than it actually has, creating fake profiles and what not to bait-and-switch men into joining.

I once read an interview of a Finnish guy whose job was to impersonate various hot women on a shady pay-for-message dating site. It’s apparently a very low-paying job, one that’s probably outsourced to Bangladesh or somesuch country for English-language dating sites. It’s just that people there can’t write messages in plausible Finnish, so you can’t outsource that “service”.

catmara
6 years ago

@sunnysombrera:

… Also he saved a woman from being hit by a car once…

He saved this woman from being hit by a car. Who wrote this awesomeness.

chthonicgames
chthonicgames
6 years ago

@Nitram – this has helped me see and hear the word without flinching:

catmara
6 years ago

@nitram:

I hate that word cuck or cuckold or cucked. It’s just icky. Can’t put my finger on it.

Yeah, it gives me the creeps too. I wonder is it because it combines the sounds of the two most taboo words in the English language?

Weirdly, calling someone a cuckold was universally insulting at one point– Shakespeare’s plays are full of it– but it fell out of use as a term of abuse in Northern Europe, but not in Southern Europe. Calling an Italian a cuckold is not recommended. I read a book years ago about profanity in Europe (entitled, appropriately enough, “Your Mother’s Tongue” 🙂 ) in which there was a remark along the lines of: “call a guy from Northern Europe a cuckold and he’ll reach for a dictionary; call a guy from Southern Europe a cuckold and he’ll reach for a knife”!

Doug
Doug
6 years ago

Re: the stated reasons for the hackers doing what they did — they claimed to be doing it because Ashley Madison made people pay to scrub their accounts. But, really, I don’t think you can trust their stated reasons. But, it’s entirely possible that their stated reasons are just pretexts & they did it just to watch the ensuing chaos.

Ellesar
Ellesar
6 years ago

Why is there always the assumptions by these turnips that women are going to be terribly affected by these men deciding not to marry? A bitter selfish man is not exactly good partner material, AND there are even women who are not wanting to get married too!

I know that they think that they are a large % of the male population, but I don’t think anyone else does, and I am pretty sure that their ‘withdrawal’ will be statistically insignificant.

Bonnie Blue
Bonnie Blue
6 years ago

they claimed to be doing it because Ashley Madison made people pay to scrub their accounts.

So, um… They retaliated against a fee they don’t agree with by punishing a bunch of people who didn’t pay the fee they don’t agree with?

Okay, if that was their true motivation, then I can see how this would “force” the site to change that policy (in the hackers’ minds, anyway), but still… WTF? Could they have possibly come up with a more contradictory and douchey way to accomplish their goal?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

I am just suddenly aware that hot people AGE and then they get wrinkled and DIE and the world is lesser for their absence.

Justin Bieber is now old enough to drink legally in the US.

According to my STEM calculations, he hit the wall 3.7 years ago.

Naomi Harvey
6 years ago
Reply to  sunnysombrera

I also loved the Mad Max ‘Hey Girl’ memes with Tom Hardy in them.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

call a guy from Northern Europe a cuckold and he’ll reach for a dictionary

What does cuckold even mean in general usage? Someone who’s been cheated by his wife? Or someone whose mother cheated their purported father?

I guess “cuck” was a great success in manospherian insult manufacture because it sounds harsh and pithy and touches the deepest sexual fears of many men. It’s like patriarchy condensed in four letters.

Also, it makes me crave cukes.

Robert Kelly
6 years ago

The dictionary on Chrome says it’s the husband who’s been cheated on.

The word “cuck” makes me want some chicken, though. I think it’s because it’s one letter removed from “cluck”.

Ellesar
Ellesar
6 years ago

Presumably they also like the ‘word’ cuck becuse it rhymes with fuck.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

@Arctic Ape:
Literally, it means a man whose wife has slept with another man. This is said to demonstrate that he’s weak and effeminate, which is no doubt why she was forced to find her alpha-male loving elsewhere, and why he hasn’t confronted her other partner and won her back.

In pornography, it refers to a genre in which a woman (usually white) ignores her husband or boyfriend (usually white) in favour of a more manly man (usually black.) Because of this it has racial overtones: I’ve heard people accuse Obama of cuckolding America, for instance.

In kink, it refers to a person who gets off on the humiliation of this situation.

In right wing politics it has recently and suddenly acquired a meaning of a person whose masculinity has been taken away by another, and who is too weak and effeminate to confront said aggressor about it. In this context it is used to attack right wing American politicians who are thought to be too complacent about accepting the implosion of conservatism.

This all works because people think of masculinity as being a single thing which is used in many different fields, like being tall or being wealthy. If you’re shown up to be wanting in masculinity in a single field, this must mean that you’re weak in all other fields and therefore can’t be relied upon or allowed a position of leadership. It’s absurd when it’s spelled out like that, but people genuinely seem to think that way; for example some people think that Douglas Macarthur was a good general because he was physically brave, or that David Futrelle is a liar because he’s fat and loves cats. I suspect it slips into one of those gaps in the human psyche.

To those of us who reject heteronormative masculinity, it just seems puzzling. I love cooking and am firmly of the opinion that Edward Norton is the hottest human being who ever lived. Does this mean I lack a penis or am unable to do maths? Of course not.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It’s so hilariously brain breaking for red pillers to see women swooning over hot nice guys with cute animals. In their minds, the world is like a bad teen movie and men can only be in two categories. They can be an alpha asshole jock. Or they can be a nice guy beta geek

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Ugh. I accidentally hit post too soon. Anyway, the fact that, for instance, Tom Hardy is a big muscular action star who is only became more popular with women when it was revealed that he’s a great guy and pro feminist who looks adorable snuggling a puppy just doesn’t compute. It makes them very angry. In their world, women can only like the alpha asshole jocks.

spacelawn
6 years ago

Whoever wrote that first post is just a tad bit optimistic about this. The leak hasn’t been that dramatic.

reymohammed
reymohammed
6 years ago

Nitram: “cuck” is a Scottish term for “sh*t”, as in, “Fill your ears with cuck, and you’ll die a sh*thead”. For these guys, it’s too late.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

They think that THEY are the only modern men who have figured out the ironclad formula for being “alpha,” and that if they continue to follow the red pill, they themselves will end up with a harem of the most desirable women in society – and these women will really, truly prefer to “share” their alpha, as opposed to having their very own “beta.”

Uh…they do realize that Turkish harems are a thing of the past, right? And that the women in them were actual, captured, bought-and-sold SLAVES who had no choice in the matter, other than between a life of captivity and death if they rebelled. They do know that, right? Right? RIGHT???

Oh, what am I saying? Of COURSE they don’t. They think we’re still all cave-dwellers underneath it all, and that it won’t take much to regress us back to caves and pre-literacy. Just a little NLP combined with negging, and PRESTO! Instant idiotess. Which is exactly what one would have to be to fall for any of them.

But that doesn’t work, which is why they call us hypergamous bitches for refusing to date down. (Intellectually, that is, as opposed to looks- or class- or wealth-wise.)

naira8
6 years ago

You should have seen their take on the subreddit r/ladybonersgonecuddly (which is what it sounds like – pictures of cute guys cuddling animals). They were furious, declaring that every guy featured in that sub was nothing but a weak bitch beta, and that women don’t “really” want to mate with “betas like that.” You see, all the women who upvoted pictures in that sub really crave red pill assholes, not hot guys who show affection towards cute animals. Those weak betas actually make us sick deep down inside; we’re just too stupid to realize it.

What I’m reading here is that MRAs know that they’re certified assholes and total losers, so they’ve concocted an elaborate worldview that says that assholery and losership ARE the keys to success, beautiful women, and making rainbows of one’s life.

I mean, they COULD attempt to be non-assholes and cultivate a personality that doesn’t bear a striking resemblance to a sack of flaming cat turds, but that’s so HAAAAAAAAAARD. Easier to pretend that billions of women are experiencing mass self-delusions when they refuse to accept advances of creepy guys, reject assholes, and seek out genuinely decent human beings. They aren’t wrong, it is the world (and most of the women in it) who are broken.

I’m going to contemplate how friggin’ adorable it is when my husband hugs the stuffed otter he got for me. Take THAT manosphere!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

Thanks to all the good people on here I actually know what gamergate is now!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/21/gamergate-sexism-games-industry-women-trolls

Tabby Lavalamp
6 years ago

3) Society, as a whole, coming to the realization that men want young, attractive women.

Dude, do you even math? No wonder so many of these types are also rabidly right wing. Young, attractive women are like oil. There’s enough for everyone forever!

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

I think their reasoning for “Women like assholes” can be billed down to “women that I want choose to date/interact with other men instead of me! Since I am clearly the best guy who ever lived, and none of those other men can possibly have desirable traits I do not possess, this means that women are malfunctioning and just like stupid assholes who steal other men’s women!”

Some of them then decide that if women like assholes, they’ll actively try to be assholes and this will clearly some all their problems. Others just continue to be assholes while believing all the while that they really are Nice Guys. Either way, they’re all a bunch of entitled, misogynistic pissbabies that refuse to question their worldview for even a moment.

Binjabreel
6 years ago

Re: hot guys cuddling fuzzy animals-

The thought of these douchecanoes losing it over that makes me insanely happy.

That’s right, RP’ers, women fawning over a guy who’s in better shape than you who is secure and confident and happy enough to hug a baby kitten.

If your worldview is crumbled by having to admit that women might think a sexy guy who is also kind and sensitive might become sexier, then you’ve fucking failed at life already.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

@Binjabreel:
Does that mean that if I groom up nicely, take pictures of myself with some cute kittens and post them online for girls to squee over, it hurts red pillers?

This is the best thing ever. It’s as though someone invented a form of chocolate which cured tooth decay and resisted climate change.

Bee ar bee, feministselfying.

alysonmiers
6 years ago

Reblogged this on The Monster's Ink and commented:
“Men want young, attractive women”? Is this supposed to be some revolutionary new understanding? Is society supposedly not yet aware of cishet men’s preference for youth and symmetry? I think we’re all pretty well in touch with the fact that young and pretty girls tend to get the most attention from men. No one really denies this. The real revelation will be the dawning realization that a) young and attractive women don’t stay that way forever, and b) while they’re young and attractive, they’re not so interested in spending their time on self-entitled, arrogant, oblivious, misogynist men who quite frankly were never that interesting in the first place. We don’t even want to give our time to such men when we’re older and not so pretty anymore.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@Bonnie Blue:

they claimed to be doing it because Ashley Madison made people pay to scrub their accounts.

So, um… They retaliated against a fee they don’t agree with by punishing a bunch of people who didn’t pay the fee they don’t agree with?

Okay, if that was their true motivation, then I can see how this would “force” the site to change that policy (in the hackers’ minds, anyway), but still… WTF? Could they have possibly come up with a more contradictory and douchey way to accomplish their goal?

There’s even another layer to this. Turns out that, with the leak, there’s demonstrable proof that AM didn’t actually scrub the accounts of those who paid the fee. I think there’s a class-action lawsuit in the works to sue AM over this.

But yeah… “Stop being unethical or we’ll dredge a whole bunch of other people through the mud by revealing their involvement with you” isn’t exactly the epitome of ethics…

catmara
6 years ago

When these guys complain bitterly that “women like assholes”, most of the time the “asshole” in question just happens to be more decisive and self-confident than they are. I think that both men and women find self-confidence attractive. Now, it can well be the case that a self-confident person really is an asshole because their self-confidence comes from a refusal to examine their own opinions and beliefs, ever– it’s easy to be self-confident when you knows you’re always right! But, more often than not, it’s sour grapes. And “a refusal to examine their own opinions and beliefs, ever” is probably more characteristic of RedPillers than the “assholes” of their fantasies of oppression…

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ EJ(TOO)

I’ll see your kittehs and raise you a couple of rescues horses.

http://s1122.photobucket.com/user/Alan_Robertshaw/media/1507880_10152609183680936_4913613495300124596_n_zpszbggvcqx.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

For added red piller annoyance this was taken during a military exercise.

chaltab
chaltab
6 years ago

“Men want young, attractive women”? Is this supposed to be some revolutionary new understanding? Is society supposedly not yet aware of cishet men’s preference for youth and symmetry?

By Jove I think you’ve got it…

Redpillers think they live on Bizarro world where society prefers old and asymmetrical women!

Falconer
6 years ago

@mockingbird:

use*

*spikes phone*

http://media.giphy.com/media/1306MTkHlXkUZG/giphy.gif

makingfitzcarraldo
makingfitzcarraldo
6 years ago

What happens when society “realizes” it? Forced sex with the mens and then death at the wall?

skiriki
6 years ago

Did you know he got his start in a Pringle’s ad? Pringles, people, Brad Pitt pushed Pringle’s.

Well it seems to be working.

*stuffs another paprika Pringles into her mouth*

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

Did you know he got his start in a Pringle’s ad? Pringles, people, Brad Pitt pushed Pringle’s

Well, they are nice pullovers.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Using “cuckold” in 2015 kind of reminds me of this cartoon: https://xkcd.com/771/

The fetish aspect is nothing new either, or so my old friend James Joyce tells me: in one scene of Ulysses, the character Leopold Bloom is turned on by the fact his wife is cheating on him and imagines watching it. In other scenes, though, he’s miserable about it. People are complicated (and so’s Ulysses).

…Now I have a bizarre image of redpillers discussing European modernist literature: James Joyce, despite his active sex life, would probably be branded a “beta,” while the anti-Semetic Ezra Pound with his macho posturings would be an “alpha,” I guess… though maybe he wouldn’t be anti-feminist enough for them. (And of course Virginia Woolf would be a “feminazi.”)

sn0rkmaiden
6 years ago

I’d also like to chime in and say that this whole Ashley Madison affair is several layers of horrible. I feel sorry for people who’ve been cheated on by their spouses, but also sorry for all the people being exposed in this way. No one can justify dumping all this private information out there, it’s just hurting people for the sake of causing trouble.

And as for the whole nice guys aren’t sexy trope pushed by the redpillers; David Gandy, the man so hot that SlutHate calls him God, does masses of charity work, I wonder what they think of that?

mockingbird
mockingbird
6 years ago

@Falconer – You understand.

Aside: Didn’t you and a bunch of other people once have a conversation about the Wii U and Amiibo.

I broke down and got the kids one.
They frikkin’ love it and I’ll say it’s the most genuine fun I’ve had gaming for awhile, but the intensive local co-op may have something to do with that.
(We also got Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros, Splatoon, and it came with Super Mario World 3D preloaded.)

I have a Samus.
Her nickname is Samawesome.

http://i.imgur.com/6kxUukK.gif

mockingbird
mockingbird
6 years ago

Dammit! Wrong Gif!
comment image

My dumb phone buzzed like it had successful c/p’d the new link.

*spikes phone again*

epitome of incomprehensibility

D’oh, Ezra Pound was American, not European. Though he lived in Europe for a long time.

@Alan Robertshaw – awww, that’s a cute pose! What kind of horses are those?

Re: men + cute animals: Besides poor dead James Joyce, I am rather in love with Kunal Nayyar, or at least his Raj character from the Big Bang Theory (silly show that it is) – I was watching a rerun last night in which he was trying to act more stereotypically manly to appeal to the woman he was dating; needless to say it didn’t work. There was also a very adorable dog in it.

Falconer
6 years ago

@Falconer – You understand.

Aside: Didn’t you and a bunch of other people once have a conversation about the Wii U and Amiibo.

That’s like saying “Didn’t Benedict Cumberbatch play Sherlock Holmes once?”

I’m glad you’re having lots of fun!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ Epitome

According to one of my horse obsessed friends they’re Gypsy Vanners. They’re mum and daughter. Rescued from some horrific abuse. Bit wary; but after a few hundredweight of carrots we got on fine.

One thing I do now know is that, if you’re going to play carrot tug-of-war with someone who has the pulling power of a Dodge Ram, you *will* lose. 🙂

Sarity
6 years ago

Re: hunks cuddling animals

In this edition of RP’er Hell, a bunch of ripped alpha men have their hearts melted by tiny kittens. >w<

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

Thanks, David. I may play with that as a start. (See, though I have some fancy paper cut as covers for my latest book project, I was musing over what would be a good designed cover for the story in question– “24 Views of Mt. Fuji, by Hokusai” by Roger Zelazny. It’s kind of a cyberpunk story, you see…)

dudeinthewoods
dudeinthewoods
6 years ago

@Kirbywarp

My wife just informed me this morning that there will be a Class Action against Ashely Madison (or the parent company, I can’t recall off the top of my head) in Canada, filed on behalf of a disabled widower who signed up (never found anyone) after his wife passed from breast cancer.

catmara
6 years ago

One thing, BTW, about the Ashley Madison hack that I’m not sure has been mentioned: AM never actually verified the email addresses of those signing up (see https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150820/16523632021/day-someone-signed-me-up-ashley-madison-account-that-day-would-be-yesterday.shtml for example). So someone’s email might appear on that list because someone who didn’t like them thought it might embarrass them, or even because one of their friends thought it would be a hee-lair-ious jape to do so…

Broken Butterfly
Broken Butterfly
6 years ago

I know it’s derailing a little, but…

“This only reminds me of that link Pandapool posted on the other thread, with the guy who wanted a poly relationship and then wanted to close it off because his girlfriend was getting laid more than he was.”

Where was this??? I want to read this now.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Sarity

That’s one of my favorite Buzzfeed videos. The faces they make and that mustache guy. XD

@Broken Butterfly

It’s in the 5 Untrue Things thread.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Forget going to the gym, growing a beard and/or mustache, having muscles, getting a expensive car and clothes, being psychically attractive, having money and risking your lives to save others; just love animals espesically cats that’s all you have to do to get us swooning.