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#Gamergaters and 8channers using #AshleyMadison leak to go after “SJWs,” game developers

Outstanding work as always, guys!
Outstanding work as always, guys!

Demonstrating the keen grasp of ethics for which they are so well-known, an assortment of assholes and trolls associated with #GamerGate and 8chan are eagerly sorting through the Ashley Madison data dump in search of people to smear.

The former #GamerGate bigwig formerly known as Internet Aristocrat, now calling himself MisterMetokur, helped to lead the charge on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/633820133065031680

https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/status/634074455485083648

Naturally, his Tweets on the subject received dozens of likes and retweets from card-carrying, hashtag-using #GamerGaters.

On #GamerGate hub 8chan, meanwhile, the anons of /v/ and /pol/ searched the hacked database for the email addresses of game developers, academics, media professionals, and anyone else they could think of.

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Over on Reddit’s KotakuInAction, the regulars rejoiced in the discovery that Gawker writer Sam Biddle, a longtime #GamerGate bete noire, had briefly had an AshleyMadison account, which he (quite plausibly) explained he had used for research.

But not everyone on KiA accepted that explanation:

g-divA nice grandson 18 points 3 hours ago With some writers, I'd totally believe it. But Sam? Yeah, not for a second. permalinksavereportgive goldreply [–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon  Karma King of late April 2015 17 points 3 hours ago Sam Biddle deactivated his account because he didn't need it for an affair. Women are falling over each other to do it with this very attractive man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jtmFlUg56w permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]EddieDombrowski 8 points 3 hours ago Is that even a man? He looks like a child, how old is he? Acts like one too. permalinksaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]AcherosIs fake journalism [score hidden] an hour ago I can't tell if its the audio quality, or the song over him, or what...But he literally, actually sounds like he is mentally retarded. Like, I'm not even joking or being insulting. in that video, he actually sounds like he has downs syndrome. Guys...What if...What if we've been going after someone with downs syndrome this entire time?

It’s about ethics in using stolen data to humiliate enemies and make Down Syndrome jokes about them.

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Selt
Selt
5 years ago

@Pandapool
Obviously they need somebody to blackmail in order to get more buffs for Frost Mages now that Ghostcrawler’s with Riot.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
5 years ago

Ehhh….If they had uncovered a few people who spend their off hours as furries, going to furry-focused events and furry specific parties, it might be more interesting. Think of all the furries vs gang members/furries vs cops/furries vs cartel death squad videos still needing to be made! (The furries always win.)

katz
katz
5 years ago

I would generally agree but I can think of possible expectations; especially if someone was espousing views that could be seen as dangerous.

Well, the trouble is that “this view is sufficiently harmful to warrant releasing private information” is a huge gray area that could be used (honestly or dishonestly) to justify anything; for instance, I’m sure the GamerGaters would say that “ethics in game journalism” is so important that it warrants exposing Blizzard employees, however that works.

Plus it exacerbates the blackmail opportunities.

Plus “So-and-so is a hypocrite” was always a marginal argument anyway; people really go for stuff like that, but at the end of the day it actually says nothing about whether your position is right or not.

So it seems to me that the best position is just to say that the right to privacy always trumps the public interest. (Unless someone is directly being hurt, but that’s not “public” interest anyway.)

Speedwell
Speedwell
5 years ago

I found a site that purported to be able to tell you whether a given e-mail address was part of the dump. My cheating ex had about six e-mail addresses and I know he was on several dating sites, and none of them hit. However, one of the two e-mail addresses I use regularly DID show up, and I’ll be damned to the hell of bad whisky if I ever had anything to do with the site (I despise cheaters, that isn’t to say I despise swinging or open relationships). My husband laughed when I told him, because he knows me too well. (That address was also used once to create a fake Facebook account before I caught it; heaven knows where it’s been in the ~25 years since I created it).

Folks, Ashley Madison didn’t verify all the e-mail addresses people used to sign up for the site, so without some other verification that someone made a profile with their own information, found dates, etc., I think we should take this with a very large grain of salt.

rugbyyogi
5 years ago

I’m inclined to believe that most of the GamerGaters needn’t worry about exposure, because they don’t have a partner to cheat on in the first place.

As someone who once registered on Ashley Madison (using a burner email address) and probably didn’t delete my account and has used a similar site to pursue an affair, I have a great deal of sympathy with the exposed registrants. I’ve met many men from these sites for those initial coffees, and while some of them are super skeezy, most that I’ve met up with have been decent enough blokes who find themselves in an unhappy relationship, but not so unhappy that they want to tip everyone’s life into the bin or they lack the courage or self-esteem to make the break. I can’t judge them on that, I couldn’t do it either. It took a couple year long campaign of passive-aggressiveness and careful management to get rid of my abusive husband without being forced into poverty due to housing prices (it may happen yet).

I can’t see what public interest it would serve to expose someone like me, my lover or anyone else I’ve ever met up with – and they include cops, civil servants, minor tv personalities and a lot of people in the financial services industry. Having an affair isn’t as black and white as people think, hell, I’ve been excoriated in the comment threads on this blog and it probably will happen again now. People judge harshly and harm without knowing all the facts and feel perfectly justified in doing so.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
5 years ago

Off Topic: Have you guys seen the latest 4chan-originated Facebook page of internet douchery, “Project Harpoon”?
I can’t donotlink it, for some reason (tried, and it just redirects to Facebook), but you can also look for it on Google News or something – basically, they take photos of plus-sized models (mostly women, of course, although from what I’ve seen they’ve thrown in an occasional male model because fat-shaming is for everybody) and photoshop them to make them thinner, with some “hilarious” caption about them being fat.
A few of the comments I saw on the page before giving up were to the tune of “What, don’t you know all models are photoshopped anyway?” (someone give this person a Missing the Point [un]merit badge) and something about women looking to feel victimized. And then I just gave up, because I do actually have work to do, and don’t feel like spending any more time on gross internet douches.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
5 years ago

(A friend corrected me that it might be Reddit, not 4chan. Probably both? I don’t know.)

marinerachel
marinerachel
5 years ago

I’m having trouble feeling too badly for Mrs. Josh Duggar as she appears to be as loathsome a person as he. She married him and had his kids knowing about the kiddy fiddling.

I’m guessing she didn’t know about the hook-up accounts. I do feel sorry for her about being cheated on.

I bet you she stays with him anyhow….

Nashradnek
Nashradnek
5 years ago

“I was just researching some stuff.”

Tell that to her!

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
5 years ago

I don’t condone cheating. I think it’s a horrible way to treat your SO. I also think it’s none of my business when it’s outside of my own relationship. I have trouble understanding why the extramarital affairs of Blizzard employees have fuck all to do with social justice issues, or how it’s any kind of “gotcha” in comparison to the stalking, harassment and death threats perpetuated by gamergaters. The fact that they think these things are in any way equivalent says a hell of a lot about them.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I know GGers and redpill are distinct groups (united by common misogyny), but aren’t RPers always going on and on about how awesomely alpha it is to cheat on your wife because biotroofs? When academics and journalists do it, suddenly it’s terrible?

They’re all about making the other side look bad. That’s it. That’s the entire sum total of their belief system. There is no consistent moral core.

I guess?
I guess?
5 years ago

Oh, yeah. Someone mentioned a time or two something I forgot: research. Like I said it doesn’t necessarily prove anything that any journalists didn’t any dirty on the site because they had an account. There’s an equally likely chance there was legitimate research put into an article that might have gotten scrapped or something than they just wanted to get some sleaze on behind the scenes. I know I’ve had to go to strip clubs several times to analyze the crowds that go there and interview some of the dancers (male and female, equally “revealed”) for a story and would inform my girlfriend any time I went beforehand. She even came with me on some of the night runs. There’s no reason I can’t believe that journalists who write about tech and such wouldn’t have a similar reasoning, given the strange obsession with dating sites nowadays.

Newt
Newt
5 years ago

@Rui

Are links to KotakuInAction not enough evidence for you? Do you need screenshots with red scribbles on them?

in b4 I’m banned for speaking against the grain.

That’s not what’s going to get you banned 😀

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Sam Biddle “quite plausibly” had an account used for research? You do great journalism, but that’s a statement of pure unbiased advocacy for a subject.

Since the fuck when was that “Pure unbiased advocacy”? He didn’t say “And I totally believe him, therefore it’s teh troofs forevar!!!” or even that it’s likely; he said it’s plausible. And it is plausible. The masses love to read articles like that. Biased would be pretending that it’s not plausible.

… Hmm.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
5 years ago

@Rui

“ogg booga scary gamergate!”

Aww, it’s so adorable when gators pretend they’re relevant, even scary. No, you’re really not.

No, that’s not what anybody on the left thinks. In fact, I’m going to echo scalyllama’s sentiment from earlier and shake my head over the sad fact that there are still people who identify as members of #GamerGate. That’s sort of hilarious and sad at the same time.

Is this the radical left’s new schtic? Instead of blame bush, it’s all blame gamergate

Well, this particular radical leftist doesn’t really consider #GamerGate at all anymore. It began with slimy individuals getting their rocks off on harassing women, it continued with a pathetic attempt to feign credibility and it ended with a whimper. Anyone still identifying as a #GamerGater is like a MRA: a pitiful reactionary stuck in the past.

Also, you can stop with the delusions of grandeur. G.W. Bush was one of the worst presidents in US history, if not the worst. Compared to his fuck ups, #GamerGate is like a fart during an earthquake.

To hell with evidence, if there is none y’all will pretend there is and go along with it, because everyone else will attack you if you don’t.

Umm… there’s plenty of evidence of #GamerGaters saying those things. David just screencapped them. Can’t you read?

And no, we don’t pretend anything. We genuinely think #GG is terrible. We’re not hypocritical assholes like certain jerks David writes about here.

in b4 I’m banned for speaking against the grain.

You just keep telling yourself that.

magnesium
magnesium
5 years ago

@John Sartoris

pfff, Gawker is a shitty internet tabloid, of course their writers would be making Ashley Madison accounts to look for famous (or even just non-famous CFO’s apparently) people to expose. I’m surprised it isn’t part of their job requirements.

magnesium
magnesium
5 years ago

So apparently the user base was almost entirely men, many of whom were pretending to be married thinking they could hook up with married women for NSA sex. There were a lot of fake women accounts, as well. It has also been reported that site didn’t use email verification (wtf who built that site?) so you could sign up an email that wasn’t your own. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33986228

This whole thing has grossed me out quite a bit, but from the sounds of it I’m mostly alone in that sentiment. I don’t feel comfortable knowing the intimate details of people’s marriages, and I definitely don’t feel comfortable with public shaming adulterers. Even if you genuinely believe that every one of the sites users is a monster who must be punished for cheating on their spouse, uh, spouses have this habit of living in the same house. For every married AM user who’s been doxxed, their innocent spouse has been doxxed as well.

spacelawn
5 years ago

Somewhat off topic but how can any member of GG think they are better at journalism the actual journalists? I’ve not read one thing written by them that would qualify them as a journalist.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

This is probably as good a place as any for this link.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/sexual-harassment-women-curfew

Nothing you don’t already know. The usual tale of street harassment.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I love it when people say something stupid, but fairly innocuous and claim their big truth bomb will get them banned. It’s so adorable!

That said, Bush was a massive disaster and deserves all the criticism he gets. He allowed a huge terror attack to happen, blamed it on the wrong country taking us into an expensive and pointless war that caused tens of thousands of deaths and made hundreds of thousands people into refugees. He let a city drown. He tried to privatize social security. I could go on.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ WWTH

Bush was an interesting case study. I would agree with you that his presidency wasn’t exactly a spectacular success.

One of my friends though was assistant secretary of state* for him so I got a bit of an inside view. He certainly wasn’t as thick as he came across. Get him on his own and he could speak very eloquently and knowledgably about politics and international affairs. He could quote authorities like de Tocqueville at the drop of a hat.

Part of the issue was his natural constituency was quite anti-intellectual so he played up on his “good old boy” image. The last thing he needed to come across as was an East Coast Intellectual (which, despite all the Texas stuff, the Bush family are).

As to 9/11 it’s complicated. In hindsight it’s easy to say there were some red flags, but intelligence work is all about signal to noise. There were thousands of other ‘red flags’ that lead nowhere.

[*Her other claim to fame is she was the first high level Govt official to use Twitter :-)]

Nitram
5 years ago

GiJoel,
Re: josh dugger,
I always knew the day would come when this family would implode but I had hoped it would be in the form of a dugger kid coming out of the closet, or maybe one of the girls rejecting the family, leaving the cult, and having a happy independent life. Hard for me to find joy in their downfall when it involves sexual abuse. And his poor wife! Just had fourth child with this shitstain.

ryeash
5 years ago

Do people actually care about games journalism? I know I’ve never paid attention to a single “official” game review in my life.

I mostly just do what my Game Informer overlords tell me to do. Metacritic has too many “I poured Mountain Dew on my controller and now I can’t play the game 0/10” reviews, and I’ve been reading Game Informer since I was around 10. They have youtube broadcasts of gameplay, too, and I’ve picked up some great games I would’ve otherwise missed (Dragon’s Dogma!). They weren’t super vocal about their opposition to GG, but they did at least denounce it.

That said, I for one could a damn about any reviews. I’m a big girl and can decide for myself if I like/want to play a game. Back when God of War was big, I wasn’t the only one of my group disgusted by it, but I was the only one who traded my copy within a week. No reviews needed to tell me that I couldn’t get behind a character like Kratos and would likely spend the rest of the game alternating between dry-heaving and wanting to stab him myself. Sucked, too, because I love Greek mythology. But seriously, fuck that guy. I ain’t helping him do shit. I’d rather help DMC’s Dante audition for Jpop bands.

epitome of incomprehensibility

I don’t think the hackers were justified in releasing people’s private info, though I admit the story’s interesting in a gossipy sort of way.

Also, re GamerGate… maybe the fact that “It’s about ethics in X” has become a running joke should tell them something? Something related to hypocrisy, maybe?

Kyle Everett Sember (@CTHUTUBE)

Is this a fake article from The Onion? Because if so this is funny as hell.

Lucifer
Lucifer
5 years ago

so you defend these people who don’t respect their loved ones???

That’s perplexing.
This isn’t gamergates doing either. The hackers who retrieved the information did the work. Don’t try to shift the blame here.

Falconer
5 years ago

I feel badly for his wife, who probably believed his BS. Four kids, one of them a newborn.

Feeling bad for anyone in that family is kind of my default response to all that BS. Except for the parents, whose fault it all is, and Josh, for obvious reasons.

@Rui:

“ogg booga scary gamergate!”

Is this the radical left’s new schtic?

It’s spelled “shtick,” you schmuck.

Instead of blame bush, it’s all blame gamergate. To hell with evidence, if there is none y’all will pretend there is and go along with it, because everyone else will attack you if you don’t.

Except for the bit where it’s actually proven that GG and 8chan are trolling this data. We’re not claiming they’re behind the hack, just that they’re trying to exploit it for their benefit.

in b4 I’m banned for speaking against the grain.

*looks at the camera like I’m on The Office*

@marinerachel:

I bet you she stays with him anyhow….

There’s probably a lot of pressure on her to stay under his headship and forgive him, so I don’t know that we can hold it against her if she does stay.

@WWTH:

That said, Bush was a massive disaster and deserves all the criticism he gets.

Hear fucking hear!

Falconer
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

There were thousands of other ‘red flags’ that lead nowhere.

How many of them made it into a presidential daily briefing that he ignored?

Binjabreel
5 years ago

“In b4…”

Lol, okay, one, you’re not fucking using that right. You can’t be “in b4” something that would happen in response to your own post.

And two; fuck you- maybe try harder not to immediately come across as a channer shill.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Falconer

How many of them made it into a presidential daily briefing that he ignored

Probably hundreds; most of which will have lead nowhere.

And realistically, want can one do about “Bin Laden determined to strike”?

Intelligence work revolves around two key factors: intent and capability (most intelligence failures arise from either conflating the two or only concentrating on one). Bin Laden’s intent had been known since 1997. It was the capability that was unknown. Most people in the community envisaged a repeat of the 1993 WTC bombing. Short of monitoring every Egyptian in the US there was little else that could have been done.

A clue after the fact was the assassination of Ahmad Massoud on September 9th. A few people in the community were pondering “So what’s the significance of that?” 2 days later “Ah, now we know” (hence the very speedy realisation AQ-Central was behind the attacks)

There is sometimes an assumption, maybe we get it from movies, that the intelligence services are hyper competent organisations with unlimited budgets that can order a spy satellite to follow a particular individual at the flick of a switch, but the reality is they’re no different from the DMV or any other government agency.

freemage
5 years ago

9/11 was the product of decades of policy gaffes, both in terms of foreign policy and security. I don’t blame Dubya for it.

I ~do~ hold him accountable for the considerable expansion of the security state following the attacks, though, as well as the unconscionable and unsustainable military escapades that were to follow. (I also critique Obama for building on those policies, for that matter.)

Prior to 9/11, Bush was probably on-track to be a crony capitalist. We would’ve eroded a bunch of important safeguards on product safety and environmental controls, and most likely repealed a lot of important financial regs. However, in the aftermath of the attacks, Bush’s inner circle shifted hard to the right, and he followed. (This was always his biggest weakness–he didn’t lead, he just figureheaded for the cabal in power–Rumsfield, Cheney, Rice.)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ freemage

as well as the unconscionable and unsustainable military escapades that were to follow

Yup. A big problem with the consequent debacles was the need to justify everything in terms of nation building and the need to be seen to be promoting democracy etc.

The actual initial military operation in Afghanistan was one of the most successful ever in terms if its aims (remove the ability of foreign fighters to train there). Just a few hundred SF and intelligence officers achieved that in 3 weeks with almost zero friendly casualties. We should have pulled out then, leaving a message with the Taliban that we’d be back if they allowed it again.

Instead we got dragged into 10 years of internal Afghan politics. As Brits, we all knew the historical futility of that sort of enterprise.

The Iraq thing was a case of ‘too soon’. It’s no secret that the US was worried about Iraq; Saddam had made his intentions quite clear. But back to my point about ‘ability’; that’s where the screw up was. Unfortunately, after the cock up with the interpretation of April Glaspie’s meetings with Saddam, CIA were worried about being caught with their pants down again and so a false positive indication was almost inevitable.

That’s the trouble with intelligence work, well in the US at least, it’s like a pendulum.

Iraq 1990 – false negative
Iraq 2002 – false positive
UBL 2011 – nearly another false negative (CIA said that they were less certain about the Abottabad thing than they were about the WMDs; it was pretty gutsy of Obama to make the call)

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

“ogg booga scary gamergate!”

Is this the radical left’s new schtic?

It’s “ooga booga” and “schtick”, troll. Get it right.

And nobody here is scared of Gamergate; we’re laughing at them, and they’re not bright enough to tell.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

schtic

It rhymes with “chic”. This fall, we’ll see soft pastel shades of Gamergate-mocking on the runways of Milan.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Lucifer | August 20, 2015 at 9:03 am
so you defend these people who don’t respect their loved ones???

It’s not up to us to judge people. We don’t know their stories, we don’t know what’s going on in their lives. We don’t know them.

rugbyyogi made a good post about their experiences on the site:

As someone who once registered on Ashley Madison (using a burner email address) and probably didn’t delete my account and has used a similar site to pursue an affair, I have a great deal of sympathy with the exposed registrants. I’ve met many men from these sites for those initial coffees, and while some of them are super skeezy, most that I’ve met up with have been decent enough blokes who find themselves in an unhappy relationship, but not so unhappy that they want to tip everyone’s life into the bin or they lack the courage or self-esteem to make the break. I can’t judge them on that, I couldn’t do it either. It took a couple year long campaign of passive-aggressiveness and careful management to get rid of my abusive husband without being forced into poverty due to housing prices (it may happen yet).

So, rugbyyogi was on there because their spouse is an abusive asshole (and they’ve talked about this at length on various threads as well), so are they “disrespecting their loved ones”?

Someone else brought up a good point too: That not only are the “cheaters” being doxxed, so are their spouses and loved ones.

So happy to see that you’re willing to toss them to the wolves too just to get back at someone who “disrespects their loved ones”.

That’s perplexing.

Nah, that’s courtesy. It’s also none of our fucking business and has nothing to do with anything. This is just people who want some dirt, and the Ashley Madison hack was a way to threaten and coerce Ashley Madison to shut down.

You know what I find perplexing? That you’re defending people who hacked private information, regardless of who they expose.

This isn’t gamergates doing either. The hackers who retrieved the information did the work. Don’t try to shift the blame here.

Today in “I didn’t even really read the title of the article…”

“#Gamergaters and 8channers Using Ashley Madison leak to go after SJWs and Game Developers.”

David didn’t claim that GGers/8Channers were responsible for the hack. Only that they’re using the information for their own ends.

Mayhaps next time you’ll read a little bit more carefully (and read some of the comments on the thread) instead of just knee-jerking everywhere in the comments section with your holier-than-thou nonsense.

freemage
5 years ago

Binjabreel | August 20, 2015 at 10:48 am

“In b4…”

Lol, okay, one, you’re not fucking using that right. You can’t be “in b4” something that would happen in response to your own post.

You know, I’m seeing this more and more. The only way that this moron could claim to be ‘in b4’ anything is if he regularly indulges in time-travel, and was referring to his own timeline rather than the real one.

In which case… Worst. Timelord. Ever.

Felix Ray
Felix Ray
5 years ago

>>>so you defend these people who don’t respect their loved ones???

>>>That’s perplexing.

Stop it, you’re breaking my heart. Here are typical Gamergate “ethics”: a cynical manipulation of shallow moral principles in pursuit of a vengeful, pointless, and self-harming agenda. You don’t care about the “loved ones”. Their lives will also be destroyed.

Gamergate believes in ethics for everyone else. That’s bad ethics.

Mewens
Mewens
5 years ago

Good to see that the GamerGaters still have time to troll any article that mentions them by name. They’re like an Internet version of bloody Mary, but, you know. Uninteresting.

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
5 years ago

Is this the radical left’s new schtic? Instead of blame bush, it’s all blame gamergate

I see that most people are telling you that it’s spelled “schtick”, so I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate and say that “stick” would also work.

Anyway, I guess you’re visited this site because you obsessively search for the word “gamergate” and this posting came up? Reading one article won’t tell you what the site is like. Mr. Futrelle covers the whole misogynosphere, and gamergate is only a small part of that. He’s written articles about it, of course, but you’ll see that he has lots more articles about groups like “A Voice For Men”, and “Return of Kings”, and the “Red Pill” boards on reddit.

The reason Gamergate is being blamed for this is two-fold: (1) They confessed, and (2) the targets are game developers. If any member of the Bush family had been behind it, they would have picked a whole other set of targets.

StarStorm
5 years ago

@mewens

So you mean if I chant “Gamergate” three times in front of a mirror a whiny white neckbeard will come out and complain about women being whores?

Man, fuck that.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’ve got to say, I’d prefer summoning Bloody Mary or Candyman over a gamergater. Although, perhaps a gger can be warded off by burning scented candles in an Anita Sarkeesian shrine.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

It’s been a while since I read Vincent Bugliosi’s Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, but as I recall it makes some pretty good points on the things you’ve been mentioning. If you haven’t read it, you might find it interesting. It’s a polemic, but it’s also his blueprint for how he’d get Bush convicted of murder in court. As he’s the guy who got Manson behind bars even though he didn’t get his hands dirty in the Tate-LaBianca murders, one gets the feeling he could have pulled it off, too.

Anyhow, it’s very much a book for legal nerds, but also fun for the general public because of just how pissed off he is in it.

(Bugliosi also once made fools out of an entire room of lawyers by proving, in under sixty seconds, that they weren’t thinking clearly about the Kennedy assassination when they expressed doubts on the official story:

BUGLIOSI: I can demonstrate that in less than a minute.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: We don’t think you can.
BUGLIOSI: Start the stopwatch. We’re all lawyers, we know we have to look at all the facts. How many of you have seen JFK or read a book casting doubt on the official story?
*99% of audience members raise their hands*
BUGLIOSI: Now, how many of you have read the Warren Report? Not even the 20-volume version, just the short summed-up one?
*Crickets*
BUGLIOSI: I rest my case.

The best way to deal with a Kennedy conspiracist, by the way, is to refuse to discuss the case with them unless they’ve read all of Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History. If you read the whole thing and still aren’t convinced, fine, then we can talk. But not before. The added benefit is that due to the book’s size, they have to leave you alone for a few months to be able to read it.)

Jan
Jan
5 years ago

KIA is calling out people for doing this. It’s nobody’s business. There will always be jerks in any group that gloat over other people tragedies.

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
5 years ago

KIA is calling out people for doing this.

That doesn’t seem like the sort of thing that KIA would do. It would require a level of emotional maturity that they really don’t have.

What gives you the impression that KIA doesn’t enthusiastically approve of this? Did you check to see if the moderators have deleted the thread yet? If it’s still there, did you check to see the top-voted comments?

Kagato
Kagato
5 years ago

Checked KiA regarding this. The front page is, of course, mostly sneering about Anita Sarkeesian and whining about how oppressed they all are.

One thread with 100+ comments on this topic.
It’s full of “What? Us? They blame us for everything! It’s ONE guy, and he’d not even GG any more! It’s just /pol/!” On and on it goes.

Checked for any posts on an actual ethical question in gaming media:
http://gamasutra.com/view/news/251650/Dead_Realm_publisher_disregards_FTC_disclosure_guidelines_for_YouTubers.php

One post, with one comment.
And that comment is snarking about Gamasutra, not a word about the issue.

…ethics…

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@Kagato: I thought it was common knowledge by now that Syndacate and SeaNanners were involved in the process of making Dead Realm. :/ They haven’t been quiet about it, and I’m pretty sure that not only their fanbases know, but the fanbases of their fellow ‘Tubers (which do overlap) would know about it as well.

I watched one of Nanner’s videos on it, and he talks (pretty excitedly) about the level designs and such to the people he’s playing with. It seemed pretty obvious that he wasn’t just playing the game, considering he talked about the development with the word “we”.

So, I guess Gamasutra wants them to disclose it on every video (which, honestly, wouldn’t be too hard. Even a note in the video description would be good) instead of just mentioning it and having it be common knowledge among their fanbases?

Eh, it sounds kind of nitpicky to me.

Kagato
Kagato
5 years ago

I think the issue is more that the FTC wants people to disclose on every video (or blog post, or other media) when they have a vested commercial interest in the product they’re promoting.

Social networks and Youtube are inherently fragmented; recommendations and sharing mean that individual chunks of content are regularly dropped in front of you without context, so people could end up watching Seananner’s Dead Realm videos without knowing more about him.

Whether or not it’s really a big deal in the grand scheme of things isn’t the point, though. This is exactly the sort of topic KiA/GG claim to be interested in, but they’re obviously not.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ rabid rabbit

Cheers, I’ll keep a look out for that (I am a legal nerd so it’ll be perfect)

Had some dealings in international law so be interesting what his case theory is.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Kagato | August 21, 2015 at 2:01 am
I think the issue is more that the FTC wants people to disclose on every video (or blog post, or other media) when they have a vested commercial interest in the product they’re promoting.

Social networks and Youtube are inherently fragmented; recommendations and sharing mean that individual chunks of content are regularly dropped in front of you without context, so people could end up watching Seananner’s Dead Realm videos without knowing more about him.

Whether or not it’s really a big deal in the grand scheme of things isn’t the point, though. This is exactly the sort of topic KiA/GG claim to be interested in, but they’re obviously not.

Good points. Though, like I said, it wouldn’t be too hard for them to start dropping a disclaimer in the video description. It’d literally be copy and paste.

And you’re right about this not being the point. But, then again, Seananners is a white cishet dude, so, I don’t think they really give a shit if he’s not being “ethical”. After all, it’s okay when they do it, but not when anyone else does it!