How Not To Be a Male Feminist Creep: 8 Lessons From the Ben Schoen Meltdown

“eugenicides”? Eeesh. Some names should just stay caught in moderation.

@cupisnique “He is quite the piece of shit, isn’t he?….”
He really is.

Eh, I might have been laughing too hard to notice that this one slipped through the filters.

eugenicides | August 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: all comments about how ‘male feminists’ can’t be trusted –
Is anyone going to note that that author of this site himself has engaged in problematic behavior (Cats Against Feminism)

If you want to elaborate on how “Cats Against Feminism” is/was problematic, I’d love to hear it.

(Though, I would like to remind you that that’s satire, and not actually David saying that feminism is somehow bad.)

and benefits from his white male privilege

White male privilege doesn’t automagically equal “bad person”. David is well-aware of his privilege and will respond accordingly when called out for fudging something up, as all humans (or a business of ferrets in a human suit) are wont to do.

Nobody’s perfect, but David does his best to not let his privilege get in the way of his feminism, and he does a pretty good job of that.

in writing and getting as much attention/praise for this site as he does?

The reason David gets so much “attention/praise” for doing what he does is that he keeps us informed of what’s going on in the manuresphere by crawling through it himself so we don’t have to.

He also gets a LOT of shit for running this blog from manuresphere types as well, so I think it balances it out.

I like this site but this has to be brought up.

This sounds like a really lame “gotcha”, and it’s not the first time it’s been “brought up”.

So many trolls have marched in here with the notion that feminists all hate men and would never defer to one in any subject, and yet, here we all are, feminists one and all, factually disproving that every single day.

“Schwyzer is also a religious Christian (he has written of “a return to Christ following my near-death experience in 1998″) and leads a Christian youth group, so the language of redemption comes easily.”
Ah. That explains everything.
Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/02/exile-in-gal-ville-how-a-male-feminist-alienated-his-supporters/252915/

I’ll address it. My troll fighting muscles are all warmed up from Gawker.

RE: all comments about how ‘male feminists’ can’t be trusted –

We didn’t say male feminists can’t be trusted. We said some people prefer men not identify as feminists because some men abuse the term.

Is anyone going to note that that author of this site himself has engaged in problematic behavior (Cats Against Feminism)

Either this is a silly gotcha troll attempt. Or you don’t understand the concept of a joke.

and benefits from his white male privilege in writing and getting as much attention/praise for this site as he does? I like this site but this has to be brought up.

This has actually been brought up plenty. Both by David and by us. He’s also privileged to be able to stomach manosphere garbage because he’s not the target of the hatred. Something else he has acknowledged.

Next?

And these chucklefucks wonder why we’re often so skeptical and slow to warm with self-professed allies.

Almost like we’ve been burned a thousand times before by fake allies who will claim support up and until the point where they are actually called on to DO something.

Cerberus | August 18, 2015 at 11:51 pm
And these chucklefucks wonder why we’re often so skeptical and slow to warm with self-professed allies.

Almost like we’ve been burned a thousand times before by fake allies who will claim support up and until the point where they are actually called on to DO something.

Or they claim support until they somehow feel like they aren’t getting enough of the “Special Ally Snowflake” treatment, which apparently includes “sexual access” to any woman they want in this case, regardless of if they’re dating someone else or not.

I’ll call myself feminist ally rather than feminist as I have prior. Definitely learned a thing or two from this post and subsequent discussion

katz:

@eugenicides: Did you feel that…had to be said?

Ah good, you spotted that too. Yeah, there’s suddenly a whiff of sock around here.

@Nashradnek

Not to be an ass (although im being an ass) but this guy struck me as the fedora wearing type. Is there anything in the site rules about that? Baseless fedora accusations?

It is profoundly distressing to me that WOC/POC/TG do not feel their experiences are considered important and that in the greater scheme of things, white feminists have failed to truly include them. The problem is (as a white woman who feels that equality is something all humans deserve, not patriarchy or matriarchy, just egalitarian.) what can I personally do differently, I’m not even sure who to ask, or if my questions regarding what will demonstrate their experiences are important and feelings valid will even be taken seriously. Every movement starts with an individual joining forces with other individuals.

Though the above is only slightly relevant to the post, it’s been bothering me for a while and this place seemed like the best one out of any to bring it up.

Is there any other activism group that is criticized for not taking on the causes of all groups? I can’t help but read it as “women aren’t important enough so it should be about this instead”.