Fight for the real victims of prostitution: Pimps and Johns, idiot demands

I think we might have scared off the CAPSLOCK individual.

Capslockguy really irritated me, probably more than any troll since orange tango drinker. A man who wastes everyone’s time being wordy whilst being that intellectually dishonest and vacuous is just… argh.

It shouldn’t make me angry, but it does.

@Kat

THEMISHMISHEH:

Protesting physical and sexual abuse of females by physically and sexually abusing males makes a lot more sense now that you have put it into context.

Kat:

Yes, the context being that almost one woman a day dies in Argentina for the crime of being female.

How does this put feminists physically and sexually assaulting men into context?

I don’t condone violence. But I can understand how a group under siege might resort to it.

Did logic play any part in you reaching that understanding?

The conduct of the feminists in that video, is it becoming of a people under siege? If I am under siege, I forcefully rub my breasts against people? I suck on my friend’s breasts in public? I forcefully spray paint over people’s genitals? I sexually assault people? is that conduct becoming of a people under siege/victims? or victimisers/a perverted, mentally disturbed joke of a people? Additionally, why would you protest sexual assaults and violence by committing sexual assaults and violence? Does logic and making sense matter to you feminists, at all!?!?!

This further reinforces the following statement:

“You people are BLIND followers of a vile, sexist cult.” You will go to any lengths to justify your rotten ways.

Quoting 4chan is like quoting a Ku Klux Klan newsletter. Or a kidnapper’s ransom note.

Are you testifying at a trial? Then quoting any of the above makes sense.

Are you explaining how your philosophy intersects with the philosophy of 4chan commenters? Then you are admitting that your philosophy is bankrupt – it is based on hatred.

My reference to 4Chan was in regards to the KillAllMen hashtag and the ‘feminists who adopted it’ on twitter. That is how I came to reference them. I think this is another one of those things that you need to give a little more thought.

THEMISHMISHEH

This is the same Ms. Magazine who’s editor Robin Morgan wrote that:

“I feel that man-hating is an honourable and viable political act”?

Kat

Here, have some more context:

I feel that “man-hating” is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.

What a disgustingly sexist comment. One that confirms that you follow a sexist ideology. An ideology which is about advocating hate on the basis of gender, which is the very definition of sexism.

This comment goes a long way to explain why people call you feminists Nazis, in that your ideology is similar to that of Nazism but based on sexism rather than racism.

: Robin Morgan has never murdered a man.

waow…what can you say to a comment like that.

Most women’s rights groups are allies

That goes without saying really. You follow a distinct system of ideals and beliefs. You all fall under the same umbrella, so one can generalise about you. This same thing cannot be said of anti-feminists. Anti-feminism is not a manifest system of ideas and beliefs, like feminism. It simply refers to anyone who is against feminist ideology. I think this should answer the question a couple of you have asked in regards to that Nuke Mecca girl.

I’m happy to waste a few minutes so mind if I chip in?

Did logic play any part in you reaching that understanding?

Do you acknowledge a difference between understanding (or seeking to understand) and condoning?

You’re very keen on definitions so I’m sure you’d apprentice that whilst understand can be a colloquial synonym for sympathise, its formal use is just that of acquiring knowledge as to the reasons for things.

Very few people in our intelligence services condone terrorism for instance, but anti-terror experts spend a lot of time trying to understand terrorists.

As to the underlying point, my experience of feminists (and social justice people generally) is that they’re very anti-violence. I’m probably one of the few (maybe only?) people who hangs around here for example that thinks it’s a valid response to oppression and harm. With regard to the specific protest example I’d just raise two points:

1. There’s a difference between initiating violence and responding to it.

2. There’s a proportionality aspect. That’s a protest about actions that literally result in serious harm and death to people. A bit of minor contact is actually (IMO) showing massive restraint.

There will come a day when Scildfreja runs out of My Little Pony pictures, but it is not this day.

(well, now I gotta pull out the pony stops, don’t I? Thank you for reminding me of my mantra! It does help.)

@Mishmisheh, you are doing it wrong. The it being interpreting-the-world-around-you.

There is a principle in argument called the Principle of Charity. It is a heuristic like the Principle of Parsimony, better known as Occam’s Razor. The Principle of Charity implores the individual to take any opposing argument at its strongest. In this way, the outside argument has the best chance of knocking you off your horse (ohoho, pony metaphor) and making you re-think your position. That’s the idea – it forces you to frequently re-evaluate your beliefs. This is a good thing, because it prevents you from settling into a rut.

You are doing the opposite of the Principle of Charity. Look at how you replied to Kat. Right there, at the top of the post you’re replying to, is Kat’s thesis. In reply to you asking about the terrible behaviour of some feminists, Kat says:

I think that these feminists’ tactics are a bad idea.

Kat then continues on to talk about the problems the women in Argentina face, and how they’re struggling to deal with them. Generating empathy for the women there while not agreeing with the tactics that a small number of women there are choosing.

You ignore the thesis of the argument in favour of picking out what you consider the weakest points of it – this is colloquially called cherry picking, and is the heuristic opposite to the Principle of Charity.

Tragically, you also follow this behaviour when choosing the people to respond to. I’m not sure if this is conscious on your part or if it is an involuntary aversion to critique you don’t know how to confront. Either way, it prevents you from growing or learning. And yes, that’s a general statement, not just a statement about feminism or gender issues. Learning strategies are relatively stable across domains.

Either way, this has gone on long enough, Mishmisheh. Your tone-deaf cherry-picking Gish-gallop (pony pun) is exhausting and depressing, and I wish you would either grapple with the topic honestly or just go away. You’re migraine-inducing.

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(As an addendum, I have to say that Mishmisheh’s interactions are much like the stereotypical right wing interpretations of Islam and Muslims.

Interpret a massive group of diverse people with real problems as being represented by the absolute worst amongst them. Interpret their ideology as being represented by the actions of those people, and plug your ears whenever someone from the vast bulk of humanity disagrees. He’s doing the exact same thing.

I guess we can thank Fox News for making this mode of thinking so prevalent in the past decade or so? Mishmisheh isn’t so much a cherry-picker as someone who frequents the cherry vendor. Requires less effort if someone just gives you the basket to eat.)

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@Viscaria, you said,

SMASH SMASH .. Alan, …. I .. shocked …. you..

That’s assault, Viscaria! How very dare.

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@Viscaria, Scildfreja

My father (who could be described as a proto-MRA) does exactly that with recordings of conversations. He then goes on to show people the doctored recordings to support his “point” that some woman or other is the absolute worst.

Guess it explains why I’m absolutely not surprised GISHGISHEH does it. Much less masterfully too, I mean it’s easy with text, at least sound recordings demand certain skills.

Step it up dude, your trolling is so half-arsed it got boring pages ago.

You know why Mishmash and his whines about how women are so exploitative and feminists are so violent are pushing me off today?

It has a giant trigger warning for murder, sexual assault and violence against children.

The dominant news story in my state this week is about a man who sexually assaulted, beat and strangled to death a five year old girl. And here the troll is whining about the way feminists protest.

Fuck you, troll. Gain a little perspective.