Fight for the real victims of prostitution: Pimps and Johns, idiot demands

hygiene products are not needs

So now you’re for free bleeding, MISHMASH? Or do you think menstruation is voluntary? (Oh, yeah, I get bloated and pimply just for fun! Passing clots is awesome! I love it when a favorite pair of underpants gets stained! WOOHOO PARTY DON’T START TILL MY CRAMPS KICK IN!!!!!!)

why should food be taxed and not feminine hygiene products

Where I live, food and clothing aren’t taxed.

You need to stop getting by on your looks, MISHMASH, and work on your brain more.

http://gifoid.com/wp-content/uploads/beauty-gif.gif

@Handsome Jack

I think the only way that would feasibly work is if certain people paid their taxes at different times of the year (1/12 of Americans paying tax in January, 1/12 in February, etc.), plus maybe the rich get a tax hike because there’s no way a flat tax raise can work well with lower-income households when many are struggling as it is.

No, a flat tax is a dreadful idea. So is sales tax, and VAT for that matter. Hiking taxes on wealthy individuals would help (especially if we taxed capital gains at the same or, preferably, higher rates than earned income ), but we’d principally want to make up the difference by cranking the corporate income taxes way up. Eliminating the automatic tax exemptions for churches would also help.

@WWTH

In the US, a lot of states have constitutional requirement to balance the budget

Which is just as bad an idea for them as the Feds, but it’s easier to modify state constittions, which us why fiscal conservatism has managed to destroy so many state budgets.

@CAPSLOCKGUY

Do the Doukhobors — you know, the pacifist Russian Canadian Spiritual Christians who protested in the nude — also offend you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doukhobor

Or is it only young, attractive women who protest in the nude who offend you?

What’s up with you parroting 4chan — a cesspool of foul language and vile thought — but protesting our rudeness on this website?

Are you aware that there are many, many women’s rights groups that do not practice nudity and such? Off the top of my head, in the USA there are the Young Women’s Christian Association, the American Association of University Women, the National Organization for Women, and the League of Women Voters. Possibly you have some feminist groups in your part of the world who eschew the practices that you find so offputting?

You are aware that this website mocks misogyny — it says so at the top of the page. So why are you fastidious about not accepting mockery directed toward you? Aren’t you a tough guy who can handle rudeness?

Asking for a friend.

@Catalpa
It does seem to be the case. And if MISTER CAPSLOCK won’t defend himself (because we are so rude), we must assume that our worst ideas about him are 100 percent true.

THEMISHMISHEH | August 20, 2016 at 5:21 pm
Finger nails grow and we all produce sweat and waste products. These are other examples of involuntary biological processes that require practices conducive to maintaining hygiene. All their products are taxed. Why do you feel you are entitled to special treatment as a woman in regards to taxation of feminine hygiene products? This is telling of your sexist gendered ideology.

Uh, where did anyone say that we only wanted our products not taxed? That we wanted “special treatment” for having vaginas? Where did anyone say that? Quotes please. And no, whatever your straw feminist said doesn’t count.

I know I said we shouldn’t tax any hygiene products at all, because it would be far better for those who might be homeless or lower income to help maintain a level of hygiene that is acceptable by society. Without them, they can’t apply for jobs or get help from outsiders because they’re stuck in this vicious cycle of “I need a job but I can’t get one because of my lack of hygiene”.

We shouldn’t tax any of these things. We shouldn’t be taxing laundry soap so we have clean clothes, we shouldn’t be taxing deodorant so we can smell nice, we shouldn’t be taxing any of these things, and I even think we should have a certain level or certain brands of this stuff available for free to those who need it and can’t afford it.

There was a news story recently about a school in my state that implemented washing machines in their schools for lower income kids. Kids would bring in a bag of laundry and the school would help them wash it.

You know what the result was? Kids came to school more often and were more excited about coming to school. They missed fewer days because they could afford to have their clothes washed and weren’t afraid of being ostracized for their lack of access to hygiene products.

This is what happens when people have access to hygiene products instead of being shamed for not being able to afford them, and this just re-affirms my belief that giving people access to free hygiene products is nothing but good.

You are a STRONG woman, so get over it AND INDEPENDENT, so pay your own way in life as apposed to asking others to subsidise your ‘needs’.

Says the person who thinks that sex workers asking people to pay for their services is akin to being a sexual predator.

Also, no one was asking for someone to subsidize their personal needs, but rather the needs of billions of people. (Millions, if we’re going country by country.) Not to mention that those billions of people are the only ones who go through menstruation, and the rest of the world does not.

How is asking for help for a specific problem I face on account of having a vagina that a person with a penis doesn’t face sexist? I mean, it’s not like we’d tax pads and tampons for penis-havers either. If you really wanted CAPSLOCK, you would also be able to go out and purchase tampons and pads completely tax-free. No one is saying you can’t have them. You would also not be taxed for these products.

What your argument essentially comes out as is: “I don’t think people with vaginas should have access to specific hygiene products tax free because I wouldn’t get something tax free too!”

Because we can’t do anything without also catering to cis dudes, yeah?

By the by, who ordered the Word Salad? What kind of dressing would you like with that?

(Not-so-Fun story: When I worked as a waitress, I asked a couple this question, and they said they wanted salsa because it was healthier, which I thought sounded like a tasty idea. The man said he’d give me an “extra special” tip if I did so. I did as they asked, was nothing but kind and helpful for their entire stay, and they left me a religious brochure that looked like a dollar bill as a fucking tip. That’s it. No actual money. Don’t do that, kids. Service workers really depend on those tips to survive! Jesus would want you to help those in need and not be an asshole!)

my argument, in this thread, concerning sex was that it was not a need…

That’s not what you said at all. I can literally scroll up to the original post and point it out. We are capable of reading, dear CAPSLOCK. And you didn’t refute your original argument. You haven’t changed your stance at all.

You’re literally calling sex workers “sexual predators” for asking for pay because it’s “exploiting” men and boys (who voluntarily give this money to get this service).

And I quote your original comment: “They prey on weak, vulnerable people who need help desperately.”

So, what do they need “help” with, CAPSLOCK?

And if sex for money is “exploitation”, then what is sex without compensation? (Someone else asked this and you appear to have ignored them.)

Mockery is a destructive (as apposed to constructive) form of communication. It is extremely damaging. It discourages those whom you mock from listening to what you have to say and taking it seriously.

Assuming that those across the way are actually interested in what we have to say in the first place.

Case in point: you marched in here completely unwilling to hear what any of us have to say, and yet, you still expect us to listen to you and give you the benefit of the doubt and treat you as though you’re worthy of our time despite the fact that you’ve compared us to the Nazis for being feminists and are trying to play Holier Than Thou?

Why do you believe that you’re entitled to a debate, and why do you feel like you’re entitled to our niceness?

It acts as a substitute to reasoned debate and therefore a barrier to positive change.

Assuming that those across the way actually have arguments worth discussing and debating.

See, the problem with a lot of peeps who share your particular beliefs is you believe that everything you think is worthy of debate, regardless of how wrong it actually is.

You believe that the idea that sex workers are sexual predators is worthy of debate, despite the fact that, on its face, the argument is ridiculous and demeaning, and has no basis in facts or reality (as others here have actually spent their time demonstrating).

Lots of Manospherians believe that women are the cause of all their problems because a number of us refuse to be house-cleaning blow job dispensers. Is this idea worthy of debate? And if it is, do you honestly think that people who think like this are willing to listen to what we (a group of mostly women and non-binary folk) have to say on the subject? Do you truly and honestly believe that people who hate women are going to listen to what women have to say about their beliefs?

Because I believe that they, much like you, are so entrenched in their own colon huffing their own flatulence that conversing with a brick wall would be more productive.

It is a lot like censorship.

Considering that you literally have everywhere else in the world and the internet to spout your ideas, and you are perfectly capable of finding someone (or a community of someones) who will agree with you without question, no. No, it’s not. We’re not censoring you by mocking you. We’re simply mocking you.

You have the option of going elsewhere. You have the option of talking to people who agree with you. Just because we don’t, and we’re choosing to mock you (on top of straight up explaining why you’re wrong) doesn’t mean we’re “censoring” you.

It’s a silly idea, and quite frankly, I’m tired of hearing it from everyone who marches in here with an anti-feminist chip on their shoulder. Martyrdom isn’t a good look for anyone.

It dismisses what people who disagree with you have to say without addressing what they have to say and showing it to be lacking.

Except we do address their ideas and show them to be lacking? And then we mock them? I’m literally doing both right now. To you. Several people have explained to you why you’re wrong, and you’ve patently ignored them. Because they were meanie pants, apparently.

Why are these ideas mutually exclusive to you? Is it because mocking means we don’t immediately defer to you as someone worthy of talking seriously to?

It is a tool of a morally bankrupt people lacking a case for their cause.

An ideology that promotes such traits in its followers is one that is lacking. Think about it.

I did. Your ideas have been weighed, they have been measured, and they have been found wanting.

You have done nothing but demonstrate your dedication to the cause of being as wrong as humanly possible, and quite frankly, I’m not willing to hear anymore, considering it’s not I, nor any of my fellow Mammotheers that has the problem of not wanting to address other people’s ideas. (Protip: It’s you.)

Good day, sir.

@mishmash

You seem to think that there is a world wide feminist conspiracy organised and militarised against you and your brethren, but this is not the case. There is no feminist Hydra, one entity with many heads, and when you chop one off, two grow back in its place. The feminist ‘United Front’ is a figment of your imagination. Women are all individuals, not a Borg hive mind hell bent on the destruction of men. That’s just an MRA fantasy.

I like how THEFUCKWIT laments the inefficacy of mockery when mockery has been a huge part of his own schtick (the other part being making shit up and presenting it as objective truth).

There was a news story recently about a school in my state that implemented washing machines in their schools for lower income kids. Kids would bring in a bag of laundry and the school would help them wash it.

I work in a middle school that serves an area with a lot of poverty, and many of the students’ parents have addiction or mental health issues. We have a washer and dryer, along, with a supply of ‘loaner’ clothes (plain pants and shirts). We also have free breakfast available to the entire student body before the school day starts. Free feminine products, milk, and snacks are available in the nurses’ office. It definitely keeps the truancy rate down.

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@ THEMISHMISHEH

Mockery is a destructive (as apposed to constructive) form of communication. It is extremely damaging. It discourages those whom you mock from listening to what you have to say and taking it seriously. It acts as a substitute to reasoned debate and therefore a barrier to positive change. It is a lot like censorship. It dismisses what people who disagree with you have to say without addressing what they have to say and showing it to be lacking. It is a tool of a morally bankrupt people lacking a case for their cause. An ideology that promotes such traits in its followers is one that is lacking. Think about it.

Leaving aside all the other ‘information’ you have shared with us, it seems important to refute your comment quoted above.

You describe mockery as destructive. Historically mockery and satire have been used by poets, playwrights, philosophers, etc. to bring attention to a situation which is less than fair.

Please note: the following comments do not delve very deeply into the subject matter but provide a basic overview.

In Ancient Greece, Aristophanes wrote Comedies which were performed at dramatic theatrical festivals. These plays often examined the political situation of the time and often mocked powerful political figures. Often he was highlighting issues within Athens, including the improper use of political power by the rich and influential. This raised debate and discussion amongst the Athenians, in a society which was considered, at the the time, to be a democracy.

Ancient Rome also produced a number of writers who also mocked and satirised rulers. Juvenal, Horace, Lucillius amongst many others looked at their society, found fault with it and then satirised it. Again, it raised these issues and often mocked those who believed in their Imperial right.

Celtic Ireland celebrated mockery as a way of bringing to light the wrong doings of people, without the shedding of blood. It was considered a right to be able to mock anyone, from a High King to a tanner.

There are many other writers which could be mentioned include Jonathan Swift, Erasmus of Rotterdam, Voltaire, Samuel Clement, William Makepeace Thackeray, Dorothy Parker and Jane Austen. (Please note this list is by no means exhaustive). Each of these writers mocked the elements of society which they believed were wrong, trying to bring these wrongs to the attention of readers.

From your statement, it would seem you are arguing these writers were/are extremely damaging. Jonathan Swift was morally bankrupt? As was Samuel Clement?

Sorry, but I must be reading all these books incorrectly as most of them appear to be exposing the morally bankrupt. Actually, if I recall correctly, most academics have also stated this possible interpretation on the works of these writers.

Or, perhaps you, THEMISHMISHEH may, perchance, (not to be rude or anything) have an imperfect understanding of mockery and satire.

@ Kat

I agree. Dorothy Parker is worth reading.

Good lord is MishMushy still here banging his drum? It’s been days since he first necroed this thread.

@PI
That was epic. *applause*

OMG guys we need to start protesting nudity! First, the maternity wards–who do those babies think they are, sliding out of the womb butt-nekkid?