So The Independent recently ran a piece by Catherine Murphy of Amnesty International, explaining why the organization is calling for the decriminalization of sex work.
In the comments, someone calling themselves THEMISHMISHEH offers a unique take on the issue.
And by “unique” I mean “seemingly from another planet.”
Shades of Tom Martin, huh?
It is for the liberation of non-men because men have basically never been deprived of their liberty for being men. (They have been deprived of their liberty for being black, or being poor, or being gay, but that is not an intrinsic value of being men.) Men don’t need feminism to fight for their liberation because they already have it. Therefore: liberation for everyone = the liberation of non-men.
“but equality won’t help me get laid!”
@WWTH, Subtract Hominem, Alan, EJ: Thank you all. This Bingo has fleshed out quite nicely
ETA: I fixed a word wrap problem…new link should follow
Fixed
@Violet
If it’s not too late, may I suggest
1)starts off pleasant; reveals assholery in subsequent posts
2)takes minor misunderstanding and runs with it
3)debates comments policy
4)refers to everyone as ‘ladies’
5)’social science isn’t real science’
6)’you’d all be [something primitive] without us’
7)’stop bringing politics into it’
8)’that’s just how men are’
9)’sexual dimorphism’
Are those any good?
@EJ
OMG. It was a throwaway remark! A passing reference to Skittles.
Must I wear the scarlet “S” forever!
I am sadface, much like the real victims of prostitution. 🙁
@Violet
It’s wonderful!
@Axe:
It’s not too late, it’s never too late…songbomb ?
And, yes, those are great!
@Kat: Thanks 🙂 and as for the Skittles thing, you should make them a part of the welcome package. I feel your pain…there’s all kinds of shit people I’ve said that people won’t let die
That should read “all kinds of shit I’ve said that people won’t let die”
@Violet
Remember when 3 Days Grace was the shit back in like 06. Couldn’t go anywhere without hearing Animal… Fuck, I’m old
10)’MRA/MGTOW/PUA aren’t the same, dammit!’
11)oblivious #notall proclamation
12)’Sanger was a eugenicist, ya know…’
13)crime statistics
14)Men’s Human Rights Activist
That’s enough for this evening. Gotta stop procrastinating the dishes
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Wonder what’s on TV this time if night
@SORRYIFORGOTYOURNAME
“People should not have their right to express their opinion freely, sabotaged in a free, democratic country.”
I agree. But taking a sign covered with graphic photos of mutilated “fetuses” doesn’t prevent her from expressing her opinion. She easily could have continued her protest without the photos. Displaying signs with graphic images like that is illegal in many places, as it should be.
“The ‘Professor’ was later charged with theft and battery, by the police.”
Have a name or link?
“Are you for real??? this statement is coming from a person who subscribes to feminism? an ‘ideology’ who’s followers advocate bum-rushing public events full of children with their tits and vaginas hanging out.”
In 25 years of active feminism I don’t think I’ve ever seen that. Nope. Regardless, I would say the same to them. You can state your opinion with your shirt and pants on. Freeze peach preserves, or is that preserved?
Also, FYI, its tits and vulva. Vaginas are internal organs; you can’t literally see them hanging out.
“A people who use public menstruation as a form of demonstration?”
Operation Freebleeding? That 4chan hoax? Dude, are you going for some 4chan hoax bingo? Are you just some some bot that spams us with them? Do you think 4chan hoaxes are real? Why are you so obsessed? Why?
“The author of the ‘manifesto’ was so serious about her work that she acted on it by attempting to murder one of the most famous male personalities of that time, Andy Warhol.”
So if her motive was kill all men, why only shoot the men that fucked her out of her play? Why not any of the men on the way out? Why not any men in the hours before she turned herself in? Why only shoot Warhol and his manager? She still had a gun.
How about when she got out of jail (and continued harassing Warhol)? Why only Warhol? Why not all men? What about her male friends and father? Did they declare themseles turds every morning? If not, why was she affecionate with them? Why weren’t they shot?
Look, Valerie Solanas was an asshole. She was also a brilliant satirist. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Shooting Warhol doesn’t turn the SCUM manifesto into non-satire. Even Solanas described SCUM as a literatiry device, although I’ll admit that Solanas was never a reliable narriator, either. She would say completely outrageous things, even in interviews, and contradict herself. Which makes her the perfect boogeyman for antifems like yourself.
But it’s all good, because you just told me that feminists free-bleed, and Solanas dropped a bag with a kotex in it on Warhol’s desk. Since all feminists are the same, she couldn’t have been a feminist, correct?*
“A recent example being the #PissForEquality campaign, which had 4Chan users convince tumblr feminists to piss their pants and post pictures of it online in support of ”rape victims who soil themselves when they are raped unconscious’…”
Sure, pissing for solidarity doesn’t sound suspiciously condensending at all. Nope.
Ok, you broke me down, I’ll admit the truth; all feminists are into watersports. I know this because piss porn is everywhere on tumblr, and tumblr is for feminists. Also, I like piss porn, and I’m a femnist, and I see these great, totally real shots, of feminists pissing themselves, and I’m very turned on right now. Remember, all feminists are the same. Go, friend, and spread the truth. Make sure you tell everyone, including your mailman.
“Not without consent, no. That is called sexual assault.”
Sexual assault must be sexual in nature. I’m assuming that you’re talking about the girl that was spraypainting the front of the guy’s jeans?
Yeah, I do…but I don’t like the term old. I prefer experienced :). Also, thanks for the Bingo squares…I hear the Margaret Sanger one offline all the fucking time from my grandparents (I love them but they sometimes frustrate me)
If these five haven’t been added yet:
– Acting like our avatars are selfies. Even the default abstract shape ones.
– Falling for their own Twitter hoaxes.
– Erin Pizzey’s dog.
– “DWORKIN!!!”
– I Google their username and the first result is AVFM/RoK/#GG/etc.
The last one might be redundant, though, since it’s always in concert with “I’m not an MRA but…”
@SFHC: Thank you! Wow, my Bingo list growing about as fast as my namesake!
Also I’d like to thank Paradoxical Intention for teaching me the word “assfax”. I love that word!
@Mrex
Thank you for the polite reply.
Her protesting with such a sign was not against the law in that state and in that university (where the protest took place). The taking of her sign and assault on her was, however, against the law.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/16817/
How you have never seen this form of feminist protest in 25years is beyond me.
Ever been to a SlutWalk?
Ever heard of Femen?
In regards to the latter, here’s a an example of a protest; nude and pissing on pictures in public…
Do the world a favour and tell that to these guys…
eeerrr…no.
http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/10/12/charlie-ruth.jpg
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/we-protested-outside-parliament-while-bleeding-without-tampons-because-a6728456.html
why only shoot the men that fucked her out of her play?
come on!!!! the man fucked her out of her play? she is a terrorist who wanted him to do a play called “Up Your Ass” which supported her warped, extremist views on men and society. its unbelievable that you would even imply that she was victimised. I cant even believe this…
Just to put things into perspective for you. This is a synopsis of her play:
“The main character is Bongi Perez. She is a hustler and a panhandler. She is also a lesbian. Bongi Perez says: ‘I’m so female, I’m subversive.’
She loiters around the street, making money, cruising broads (‘lowdown, funky broads’), and generally spouting witticisms and pontificating on the pitfalls of an American male dominated society. She encounters various characters as she goes about her day. One such character is Ginger who catches Bongi’s eye as she’s searching around the sidewalk for a misplaced turd she needs for a dinner party that she’s hosting for two male friends later. Bongi asks Ginger if she’s going to serve her guests the turd. Ginger replies, ‘You’re impossible! I assure you I have no intention, whatsoever, of serving my guests a turd. The turd’s for me. Everybody knows that men have much more respect for women who are good at lapping up shit.’ Another character is Mrs. Arthur Hazlitt, a housewife who ends up strangling her child with his super glue erection(I shudder to think). These are only two in what seems to be a whole plethora of personalities who have exchanges of one sort or another with Bongi.”
The woman is a terrorist not very much unlike an ISIS member and her works are real and they are treated seriously by authors and philosophers and feminists alike. There are feminists out there who celebrate her views in the manifesto, examples of which include that of Ireen Von Wachenfeldt, the example i gave you in previous comment.
This line of reasoning that you are throwing at me is beyond ludicrous. You’re distorting reality. Can I suggest you read Avital Ronell’s introduction to her Manifesto? It’ll help inform you in this regard and introduce you to Valerie’s aims, her attempted murder of Warhol and the philosophic writings that she based her work on… Avital is a feminist ‘philosopher’. I can’t believe I’m even entertaining this.
I am not surprised that you describe this sexist lunatic as brilliant and her manifesto/works as satire but I understand why you would do this. It’s the only the way you can justify her disturbed views and actions.
Here’s the uncensored version with extra bits showing the girls doing sexual stuff to each other and the guys…
Skip to 2:15
Would you approve of this done to you? I am an anti-feminist. I disapprove of feminism. Can I spray paint over your ‘vulva’ and rub my breasts against you in this way, in protest of feminism, when you show up for a feminist event?
Feminists live in a bubble to protect themselves from their ugly reality. no matter what I show you and no matter how messed up and inexcusable it is, you will find a way to justify it.
Nobody likes Femen except Femen and whoever is making money from selling tee shirts (over 200 styles!) on their site.
That ‘free bleeding’ thing looks both messy and uncomfortable. Hope they got home to a nice shower and some clean clothes.
People of both genders or none will always do weird things. It’s not up to me or you to stop that. It does not mean that we all wish to do it, or even that we approve. But you types want to restrict freedom of speech, unless it is your own. Is menstruating freely in public ‘politically correct’ ? No, of course not. Especially when other passengers may sit on the tube after you, or on a park bench you’ve bled on. But you guys, seem to think that the obscene things you do, such as sitting on the tube scratching your balls is OK. Its
So, troll. Are you going to answer for your fellow anti-feminist wanting to nuke Mecca yet? It’s only fair. If we have to be held responsible for the actions of every feminist, you have to be held responsible for the action of any anti-feminist.
Or are you just going to keep ignoring me because you’ve got no arguments other than cherry picked feminists behaving badly?
Seriously, troll. Have you made even one argument against the principles of feminism?
It’s a matter of perspective.
But you seem to think, eurgh, girl cooties about everything.
So you guys spit all over the pavement and put your hands down the front of your kecks, and threaten to violently rape and murder people. You send ‘Pro Life’ campaigners out in public to harass people with pictures of dismembered foetuses, when you do not know anyone’s personal back story. You just think you’re right because penis.
You are happy to do that as your fellow ‘anti feminists’ all pat you on the back and say, ‘well done’.
So, yea, some feminists do weird and offensive things, but so do you ‘meninists’, so call it quits already. You haven’t won anything.
@Virgin Mary
That is what I have been saying all along.
No one has the right to disrupt or shut-down an event just because they disagree with what is being said. So long as those giving the talk or listening are not doing anything against the law, nobody has the right to stop them from expressing their views. Subverting, sabotaging, disrupting, physically abusing, harassing and insulting people and preventing others from holding or attending lectures etc is authoritarian and wrong. People have the right to express their opinions freely in a free society.
This point of view somewhat explains why I am an egalitarian and an anti-feminist.
Always interesting seeing the links and evidence that people use to support their arguments.
MRA’s fall back to: YouTube videos, photos, student newspaper articles and blog posts from right-wing websites.
Feminists fall back to: Scientific papers, survey results, and published books.
He hasn’t made any arguments against the principles of feminism because he doesn’t know the principles of feminism.
Tip to the troll: you can find evidence to support anything on the internet. Flat earthers, birthers, truthers, young earth creationism – you name it, there are websites devoted to promoting it.
You need to learn how to discern a good source from a bad one.
Okay, for real, it’s the third day now, why are you people still entertaining this asshole?
@Virgin Mary
In a free, just society, I believe that everyone, regardless of their views, has the right to freedom of speech (so long as the process is respectful of the law)…
@mishmash
I’m glad we can agree on something, but I do not thing that being ‘anti feminist’ equates with being egalitarian. If this were the case, you ‘anti feminists’ would have much more support. On the contrary, you have no right to call yourselves egalitarian when you consider women to be stupid, spoiled princesses, shallow, fat, ugly, stupid, useless animals, children, stupid, and of no use other than for sex and maybe washing your dirty pants and making sandwiches. This is what your brethren in the ‘anti feminist’ community think. They do not even consider women to be the same species. But I get it, you are looking into a mirror when you see feminists behaving badly, because that’s your jive, you own that. You want the monopoly on bad behaviour in public, and don’t want anyone else to get attention except you. But that’s the whole point of freedom of speech isn’t it?!
That photo was not about a ‘free bleeding movement,’ it was a protest against taxing tampons and menstrual pads.