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Roosh V apparently gives talk to small group of men ashamed to show their faces in public, declares victory

Roosh V: Either he's just given a talk or he's being held hostage by a couple of dozen dudes
Roosh V: Either he’s just given a talk or he’s being held hostage

Almost universally despised pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh — you may know him from such hashtags as  and  — is declaring victory after apparently giving a talk in Toronto to a couple of dozen guys who are too embarrassed or cowardly to show their faces in public.

Yesterday, Roosh posted the picture above to his Twitter, complete with a newspaper to prove the date, black censor squares over the faces of alleged attendees who evidently don’t want anyone to know that they were part of Roosh’s great victory, and weird dark lines around his legs that make it look like he’s been pasted onto a random pic of some random dudes in a hotel conference room, but whatev, sometimes crappy pics are just crappy pics.

Assuming the pic is real, Roosh’s fans are apparently afraid that the dreaded #SJWs might do to them what Roosh and his pals have been energetically doing to any of Roosh’s enemies they have been able to identify. That is, doxxing and slandering them online. (Never mind that the only person with a public doxxiing operation here is Roosh.)

On Roosh’s forum, his anonymous fanboys celebrated Roosh’s alleged victory and their own alleged heroism. One poster, naming himself after an Ayn Rand hero, was so excited he couldn’t even type straight:

I was at the speech. I was at the Q&A. I was at the dinner. The feeling was electric all of us men, collectively, started to understand neomasculinity.. the what it feels like to be a neomasculinist. …

BRAVO Roosh, and congrats to my fellow brothers for such flawless execution of an exercise planned with military precision.

Another anonymous friend of Roosh offered his enthusiastic support:

Congratulations to everyone involved in the Battle of Montreal and Toronto.

This is a stunning victory for freedom of expression, and freedom of speech.

He went on to dis the dozens of people who actually showed up in public to protest Roosh’s speech. (You know, without black squares over their faces.)

These twisted individuals claim to be so collectively hurt, so vulnerable, and so down trodden…this latest protest was a perfect public demonstration of their collective mental illness, and their attempts to destroy any trace of strong masculinity left in the culture.

When you speak to them (especially the men), you realize how their spirit has been completely broken and warped by modern culture, outrage porn, and digital technology addiction. I found the men within this group far more pathetic than the females, which was amazing. I truly believe that the men present did not understand what they were protesting, but attempting to solicit attention for their own narcissistic goals.

I was honestly expecting them to begin burning a copy of George Orwell’s “1984,” and talk about how some “freedom of speech” shouldn’t be “free.” However, their protest was so feeble and limp wristed, it didn’t even have the energy of a four day old cup of coffee, sitting abandoned outside of a tim hortons rubbish bin. 

Well, ok, Mr. Overextended Metaphor Man.

Another alleged attendee reported:

Words can’t really describe the feelings we all had following the lecture (my third, following Washington and New York and worth every penny). So many exceptional men and ideas were shared on Saturday and well into this morning. It was great to meet everyone in attendance and those who came out Friday night …

This is a testament to the discipline and drive of many strong willed, intelligent men who have learned game and who do not give up in the face of adversity. 

“You went toe to toe with the universe, and you won,” added yet another guy who posts online under a pseudonym.

If by “won” he means “convinced hundreds of thousands of people in Canada and around the world what a creepy rapey asshole you are,” I guess Roosh did win.

Congratulations!

Still another declared:

I think RooshV could be the next president in the next 10-15 years.

Uh, the president of what? 

And if you can’t think of a country that might possibly want to have Roosh running it, I have some suggestions.

 

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Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

… Oh hey, I just realised where the piss stains on Roosh’s newspaper came from. He’s paper training HTBS.

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

kirbywarp, you forgot about the fire hazard. Those beer-throwing harpies are literally threatening men with death by giant fireball, just for being men.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Had To Bull-Shit, it should be noted, lied in his very first sentence in that post. The beer-swiller did NOT seek him out; he approached her and invited her into the bar for a drink.

Had To Be Trolling also failed to mention that when Roosh went on the pull that night (because “having sex is what I do”, yeesh), Roosh the Douche wore a wig with the express purpose of hiding his identity. Presumably he felt that he would be unlikely to hook up with one of the locals if they were to recognize who he was.

Under UK law consent is not considered to have been given, and a sexual offence has been committed, if an individual has been deceived as to the identity of the person s/he had sexual intercourse with. In this case that identity being Anyone-But-Roosh.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@Moggie:

Of course, how could I forget? That beer surely was as volatile as the crowd.

Chelsea
Chelsea
6 years ago

Am I the only one who thinks Has To Be Said may also be a rapist?

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

… Oh hey, I just realised where the piss stains on Roosh’s newspaper came from. He’s paper training HTBS.

M, you’re on form today.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

M, you’re on form today.

FEMCON 3 at least. 🙂

Had To Be Said
Had To Be Said
6 years ago

SFHC,

Elliot Rodger. Very much an MRA, well-known member of PUAHate/SlutHate, mass murderer of feminists (well, anybody he could find, really, but he was targeting feminists).

Once again, you’re not letting the facts get in the way of the story you like.

The word “feminist” appears nowhere in Elliot Rodger’s manifesto. “Feminism” is similarly absent. Rodger did not target feminists and never claimed to want to target feminists. There’s no evidence that he was aware of feminism at all. He targeted a sorority.

No, this doesn’t prove he wasn’t a misogynist. It just proves that you like to make things up when you like the sound of them. Reality can always be improved by a few embellishments, eh?

freemage,

Had To Bull-Shit, it should be noted, lied in his very first sentence in that post. The beer-swiller did NOT seek him out.

I said Roosh’s “opponents” sought him out. And the rest of the mob other than Jessica certainly did — they only showed up because she notified them of Roosh’s presence at the bar. And she notified them because she knew they were out looking for him.

Misha,

For that matter, the beer-throwing woman hasn’t directly self-identified as a feminist.

I guess that may be technically true. She just happened to contact a group of self-identified “anarcha-feminists” to back her up after she had found Roosh and was planning a confrontation. The mob attacking Roosh can certainly be said to be feminists, by their own public, enthusiastic self-identification.

Danielle d’Entremont was punched repeatedly in the face for advocating against the MRM.

I don’t believe there is any proof that this is true. If you know of any, I am sure the police would be pleased to receive it. You’d be one of the few people who actually seem interested in this crime at all. Once the picture of d’Entremont had received maximum publicity in March 2014, everybody started acting like there was no MRA violent attacker at large at all. As if he just disappeared somehow. Within days, even the alleged victim seemed unconcerned with finding the culprit. It was almost as if he never existed.

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

Right, HTBS has obstinately failed to address the reality of Roosh being a rapist. (apparently beer throwing is TOTALLY assault but rape aka sexual assault isn’t.) INFORM THE DARK LORD.

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

The word “feminist” appears nowhere in Elliot Rodger’s manifesto. “Feminism” is similarly absent. Rodger did not target feminists and never claimed to want to target feminists.

Okay so what I can gather from the point you’re making is that you believe that feminists are dangerous to the small subset of people that make up the MRM, and MRAs are dangerous to LITERALLY EVERYONE, regardless of ideology. Good to know. They may be harboring murderous jackasses, but at least they don’t discriminate!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

I don’t believe there is any proof that this is true. If you know of any, I am sure the police would be pleased to receive it. You’d be one of the few people who actually seem interested in this crime at all. Once the picture of d’Entremont had received maximum publicity in March 2014, everybody started acting like there was no MRA violent attacker at large at all. As if he just disappeared somehow. Within days, even the alleged victim seemed unconcerned with finding the culprit. It was almost as if he never existed.

What, you think d’Entremont broke her own tooth? The case just went cold. Sad to say, it happens. Hell, around a third of murder cases remain unresolved. And that’s way beyond a hit and run. The world is a big place for a single person to hide in.

But seriously, go fuck yourself for implying that because a woman couldn’t identify a complete stranger that assaulted her, it must have been imaginary. Even after she immediately posted a picture of her injuries for posterity.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

I’m just gonna roll with the head-cannon that HTBS is Attila, who offered a $1000 reward for anyone who could give information about d’Entremont’s assailant, pretty clearly with the intent that if nobody came forward then her claim of assault must have been suspect. Attila even talked about how no feminist organizations (by which he apparently included the Huffington Post) were willing to do the same as evidence that feminists knew d’Entremont was making something up.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

HTBS: From which junior college do you have your associate’s degree in Missing the Point?

I have been enjoying your male tears over the fact that an admitted serial rapist (who brags about having fucked on while his victim was whimpering like a puppy) got publicly ridiculed and got a beer thrown on him. OK, we get it — Elliot Rodger hated all women not just feminists — and we don’t care about that meaningless distinction. Please take your technical arguments about who is a feminist and who is an MRA somewhere where people might be interested — like AVfM.

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

@Had To Be Just Saying

As if he just disappeared somehow. Within days, even the alleged victim seemed unconcerned with finding the culprit. It was almost as if he never existed.

I knew woman who was at a concert, a man shoved his hand down her pants and he punched her in the face when she pushed him away. While that was a criminal act, the police never found the man and he was never punished because that’s often how that goes. Seriously, are you expecting a city wide manhunt? Where I live the police only actively investigate the most serious crimes done by unknown perpetrators. They didn’t investigate my apartment being robbed either, the police report was more for insurance purposes. It’s not a remarkable phenomenon.

You know what, Kirbywarp posted a link to an article about “Big Red”, try defending the doxxing and years of harassment one random collage protester has faced from MRAs, because they never, ever actually target people in power or try to effect real change. Oh wait, it’s indefensible, so you can just fuck off.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

There’s no evidence that he was aware of feminism at all. He targeted a sorority.

No, this doesn’t prove he wasn’t a misogynist. It just proves that you like to make things up when you like the sound of them.

Targeting a sorority, with the aim of “punishing blond sluts”, does prove he was misogynistic. Rodger’s manifesto outlined his hatred of women, racial minorities, and the men who ‘had’ the women he felt should rightfully be his. He was deeply misogynistic, and racist.

But you just make shit up as you see fit, HTBS. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

Also, Roosh is still not an MRA. So har har har, nice to see you didn’t reopen that line of argument.

Also also, Eliot Rodger identified with the Manosphere.

Also also also, none of your screed refutes the fact that members of the Manosphere have engaged in exponentially more violence against women than Feminists have against men.

And just to just to pre-empt your argument of “But I didn’t say anything about feminists and MRA’S attacking men and women, I referred to them harming each other”, claiming the beer-throwing incident as evidence of direct assault by a feminist is not viable as we can only assume she was a feminist (which even you acknowledge). I have a teeeeeeny hunch that you don’t have anything else with which to substantiate your point. Hence the greater harm caused by which group (feminists and manospherians) is the only meaningful comparison to be made.

Short version: HTBS is bloody rubbish at this.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Oh boo, garbled my first paragraph. Tiny print on my Kindle read as “was a misogynist”, not “wasn’t”. Please ignore, all.

Tbh, I’m saying this because I can’t be bothered with another bit of smarmy nit-picking from HTBS. I know they’ll focus on that to the exclusion of all else.

Catalpa
Catalpa
6 years ago

According to HTBS, apparently feminists aren’t allowed to care about violence and harassment being perpetuated against women unless the perpetrator specifically states that he’s targeting feminists.

…do… Do you know what Feminism IS, HTBS?

knat
knat
6 years ago

“you may know him from such hashtags as and ”

^Has this been pointed out yet?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I emailed David and asked for a banning. Just like I said I would if he didn’t address the fact that Rhoosh is an admitted rapist. It probably wouldn’t hurt if one more person sent an email too.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
6 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

I don’t care if it’s old fashioned to give the slap across the face response to a guy, I just prefer that he request it first. 🙂 R.A.C.K. and all.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

I’m just going to blank Had to be Woody’s messages from my vision until he gets banned. He was never interesting, just tiresome, and it’s past time for him to leave.

@brooked:
We had the same thing with our house burglary: our windows were smashed open and items were stolen, including my passport; and the police only came by to give us a case number for the insurance.

In the news a week or two ago was an item that the Metropolitan Police (that is, the London police) are going to stop responding to burglaries entirely in order to focus on other fields of crime. They haven’t said which other fields yet; I expect that the deluge of blue uniforms one sees in tourist hotspots will not cease.

I hope a lot more get put into rape cases, and yet I will be a little cynical in this matter.

Zeb Berryman
Zeb Berryman
6 years ago

Had To Be Said: You have complained about abuse on these threads before so I’m going to give you something to complain about. You are scum. You are exactly the type of slimy nasty asshole this site was designed to mock. You spend all your time defending a rapist. If I found out that you want to do the same as Roosh I wouldn’t be surprised. You are an evil mealy mouthed piece of shit.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

@WWTH:
I’ve emailed David too.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

When it comes to making anonymous online threats, MRAs may well take the prize.

Uh….that’s like saying “when it comes to enormous fiery eruptions of lava, volcanoes may well have a slight edge over ponds”. Just a tad dishonest.

But when it comes to seeking out and initiating real-world physical contact, it seems like it is the feminists who currently own the field.

It’s cute that you think doxxing, cyberstalking, and harassment don’t have any real-world consequences for the victim.

Also cute that you don’t think MRAs are having any violent/abusive interactions with women in the real world, that it’s all “just talk”.

Or that if an MRA did go off the rails and assault somebody, they would wear an “I AM AN MRA” Dymo label on their foreheads, so journalists can identify them better. Because grandiose personalities who weave incoherent manifestos out of jumbled belief systems and half-assed rants are meticulous about inserting footnotes noting exactly which website each individual belief originated from.

MRAs may publicly distance themselves from the Eliot Rodgers of the world and pretend there’s no connection, but when violence against women happens, MRAs never come right out and condemn the perpetrator. Not once. Instead they ratchet up the threats: “this is what happens to women who defy us”…”this is what men do when they’re backed up against the wall”. That sounds an awful lot like they’re endorsing it and encouraging further violence.

Like all right-wing demagogues, they’re playing a two-faced game, watering it down for the public and throwing red meat to the believers when they think no one’s looking. They know how dangerous and unacceptable their viewpoints are to people with functioning moral compasses. It’s gotta be uncomfortable for them when yet another mass murderer turns out to be operating straight out of the MRA misogynist playbook, and they have to start the False Equivalency Tapdance again to deflect attention away from the eerie similarity of their beliefs.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@WWTH and EJ: thank you, he was getting really tedious.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@msexception

Of course saying someone “was asking for it” can as a rule be problematic, but in Mr Roosh’s case I’m willing to make an exception.

After all, it’s the exception that proves the rule. 😉

[See what I did there!]

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

He was always tedious. Even from the beginning, he was never interesting, just arguing tiresomely for the sake of arguing; never having the good grace to actually commit to a position either. Most damningly, he never said anything amusingly offensive. We will receive no in-jokes from this one.

I’ve learned something, though. Had To Be Said has helped me realised that I need to be less argumentative so as not to come off like that myself. So even though there have been no lols, I’ve grown as a person.

katz
6 years ago

HTBS: I remember the great trolls of old, the epic battles that were fought in those days, of which only crumbling monuments now remain: The perfumed doll, the Russian/Spanish alphabet, the photo of Uncle Monty. And what do you give us today? A feeble misrepresentation, a smattering of false equivalence. How the great have fallen.

AwfullyNervy
AwfullyNervy
6 years ago

I dunno, I get the impulse to want to question the legitimacy of the photo and the number of soldiers in Roosh’s “Army,” (the satisfaction I felt watching that asshole get humiliated in that bar is well, unprecedented). As a woman reading these comments, I can’t help but feel like those lines of criticism undermine the very real and present danger Roosh, and his minions, present for women. Why are we trying to “play down” the threat? 60 attendees could equal hundreds (thousands?) of rapes. I am terrified for women. Picking up the pieces after you have been violated in this way can be a very ugly and devastating journey. I know that Roosh is a coward, the embodiment of the definition, but isn’t it counterproductive to question his danger/influence?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

…Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ Buttercup

Ozymandias looked upon his mighty statue and despaired, amazed that the sculptors could have gotten his nose so wrong and wishing the darned thing would just crumble into pieces and blow across the lone and level sands, but leaving his legs since they were actually rather flattering.

katz
6 years ago

The tusks that clashed in mighty brawls
Of mammoth-hunts are billiard balls.

The sword of the Lieutenant of Men’s Rights
Is broken, to see no more fights.

The wild dogs who got stared down
Are in the pound outside of town.

Great Meller’s bust is on the shelf
And I don’t feel so well myself.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Had To Be Said is tedious and derailing … but I can’t resist mocking their shit-posts a little more. Because they’re flawed as fuck.

HTBS’s former screed fixates on using the Roosh beer-throwing incident to highlight the greater real-world harm currently caused by feminists to MRA’s than vice versa. Except the comparison doesn’t work.

“Men are afraid women will throw a beer at them. Women are afraid men will kill them”.

And yet where are the stories of real-world assault and harassment of feminists by MRAs? While David regularly engages in highly speculative “villain-claiming” as soon as a man commits a mass shooting, no mass shooter has been found even to have written the letters “MRA” on social media, let alone asserted membership in the cause. I am not aware of a single confirmed story of MRAs organizing to find a feminist in public, douse her with beer, scream “You’re a piece of shit!” at her, and taunt her all the way to her front door as she flees. Or anything of the kind…

When it comes to making anonymous online threats, MRAs may well take the prize. But when it comes to seeking out and initiating real-world physical contact, it seems like it is the feminists who currently own the field.

HTBS would have to prove that the beer-thrower doused Roosh due to both her feminist identity, and Roosh’s MRA identity. Except neither are proven. As HTBS is so fond of arguing facts, I’m sure they can’t have failed to notice that so far we have only been shown a woman tipping beer over a man’s head and declaring it’s because he was a rape-apologising rapist, not a feminist dousing a man because he was an MRA. There was no, “Take that, you MRAsshole!”, not even, “Pick that one up, PUA”. In HTBS’s own words, she made no assertion that she was tossing beer over Roosh’s head because of his “asserted membership in the cause” of the MRM, or that she was even aware he was an MRA (which, ironically, he isn’t).

In addition, HTBS made this argument in response to a quote specifying men and women, not feminists and MRA’S.

I miss the trolls of yore. Dear t1oracle, who could not grasp the verb, and who claimed posting cat pictures was trolling, you will always have a special place in my heart.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Alan

Actually, I stumbled upon that website when I was 11/12 so I’ve been playing the game for over a decade and still haven’t lost. 😀 They’ve got a lot of merch now.

katz
6 years ago

Shoot, I just realized that should be “Great Meller’s doll is on the shelf.”

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Alan

Actually, I stumbled upon that website when I was 11/12 so I’ve been playing the game for over a decade and still haven’t lost. 😀 They’ve got a lot of merch now.

Or maybe it was a website similar to it? All I know is that it was Game related and I never pushed the button. The game was pretty popular back in middle school.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ Pandapool

“One of us. One of us.”

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Ah, Meller. Good old “if you had just been more accommodating and feminine you would never have been abused” Meller. I hope he’s continuing to only interact with inanimate stand ins for women, and to avoid actual human women.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

I find it weird you guys haven’t brought up Grace Mann; you know, the woman who was harassed for weeks on Yik Yak and then strangled to death because she was a feminist? Or am I being a massive asshole bringing her up?

Although I suppose HadTo Be Shit would find dumping a beer on a rapist much, much worst than someone being strangled to death trying to reduce rape culture on a college campus by shutting down fraternities. I mean, those poor boys! Where else would they bring drunked and drugged women to rape–er, I mean, have sex with as Roosh only did?

freemage
6 years ago

Dave: Thanks for ditching Had To Overstay His Welcome. Much appreciated.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Am I the only one who thinks Has To Be Said may also be a rapist?

Nope. I think he Had To Be Jailed, too.

dslucia1
dslucia1
6 years ago

@EJ(TOO):

Most damningly, he never said anything amusingly offensive. We will receive no in-jokes from this one.

I think there’s a bit of delicious hilarity to be had from the fact that nothing he said ever had to be said, but I know that’s been pointed out before numerous times.

Mewens
Mewens
6 years ago

I was more than a little surprised that he went and used the facetious argument I’d set out for him. I thought the goal was to keep pushing the envelope until you’re angrily arguing that mountains are pink or something equally silly. … Unless, of course, his goal all along was actually to try and defend rapists and hate. Makes one wonder.

I’m just glad, though, that we can all savor his final, valiant words: ” It was almost as if he never existed.”

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I think there’s a bit of delicious hilarity to be had from the fact that nothing he said ever had to be said, but I know that’s been pointed out before numerous times.

He owes me money. He broke a dozen of my irony meters. Caused them all to implode.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
6 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

That’s what these detailed consent forms that must be filled out in pen and in triplicate are for! So it can never be said that I am not thoroughly insistent on full enthusiastic consent, once that’s obtained I have no issue commencing with repeatedly slapping a guy across the face! 😉

shay
shay
6 years ago

The evil, female-dominated agency where I work held a walk-in clinic today for meningitis vaccinations. From the looks of things we attracted about three times as many people as Roosh.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

@Had to Be Said,

Once again, if a woman who was a self-confessed serial rapist got a drink thrown on her by a man whom she’d been harassing and got chased out of a bar and had insults shouted at her, I wouldn’t have the slightest problem with that. Roosh is a self-confessed serial rapist who dragged the beer-throwing woman off the street and into a bar. I don’t see anything wrong with her calling in her friends for backup nor with her getting him to go away by throwing beer on him (a non-violent but effective approach), nor do I see anything wrong with her friends chasing him out of the bar, where he was trespassing because he was banned from Montreal bars, and swearing at him. Given the way that Roosh has repeatedly admitted to behaving when he tries to pick up women in bars, he should be thankful that he experienced no physical violence. I wouldn’t be shocked if he’d been punched out by an overzealous defender of one of his would-be victims in a bar on previous.

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

…Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH.

I just wanted to say: for me, this is the comment that keeps on giving. A++, would lol again.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

@ msexception

The easiest thing is to find a Notary who’s also into voyeurism.