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Are Roosh V’s “Bang” books how-to guides for rape?

Roosh V explains the mechanics of sex
Roosh V explains the mechanics of sex

If the almost universally despised pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh is able to deliver his planned talk tomorrow at some as-yet-undisclosed venue in Toronto, he won’t just be talking about the unoriginal blend of warmed-over misogyny he perplexingly calls “neomasculinity.”

He will also be selling his infamous “Bang” books, a series of pickup guides aimed mostly at North American tourists hoping to score easy sex in an assortment of countries in Europe and South America. These guides seem to have been Roosh’s main source of income for the past several years.

So it is worth asking what exactly Roosh is selling here.

Most of the “Bang” books are country-specific guides offering Roosh’s, er, insights into each country’s nightlife, dating mores, and women. “The best way to describe a Ukrainian girl’s personality is that of a corpse,” he explains in Bang Ukraine. “They really don’t show any emotion, interest, or spark when you first approach them. They just stand still with their eyes darting around.”

Alongside Roosh’s recommendations on cities to visit, bars to prowl, and dating “logistics” (rent an apartment near the bars you intend to frequent so you can easily get “girls” back to your place before, you know, they change their minds), Roosh also provides case studies of his sexual, er, conquests of women in each country.

Judging from Roosh’s own descriptions of them, many of these alleged conquests might better be described as rapes.

Again and again in these stories, presented as true, Roosh literally won’t take no for an answer, pressuring reluctant and resistant women into giving him what he wants, in one case using outright physical force in order to continue intercourse with a woman who had changed her mind.

In many of these cases Roosh tells us or at least implies that the woman in question consented to sex, but it is worth asking what kind of “consent” is preceded by literally hours of struggle against a physically imposing man who refuses to believe that no means no. It’s also worth asking what the woman’s own account of the experience would look like.

Are Roosh’s Bang books essentially how-to guides to date rape? Read some of his stories and decide for yourself. [Trigger Warning for the quotes that follow.]

The most notorious passage in any of Roosh’s Bang books comes from Bang Iceland, in which Roosh describes sex with a drunk woman he ushered to his apartment after she was left behind by her friends at a bar.

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.

I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.

Sex with women too drunk to consent is considered rape in Iceland as well as in the US.

Roosh continues:

If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she’s going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. …

I figure my dick was inside her about forty minutes after meeting her, likely my fastest bang ever. The sex was as good as drunken sex can get, but I did notice her pussy was drier than the Sahara desert.

Roosh’s sense of self-awareness is as underdeveloped as his conscience.

With another Icelandic woman, Roosh reports:

In the middle of the night I got another boner, put on a condom, and jammed it back in while she was half-asleep. I came and passed out again with the condom still on my dick….

Roosh’s accounts of his sexual escapades in Iceland are sadly rather typical for him. In Bang Poland, he makes clear that the word “no,” won’t stop him, no matter how many times it’s repeated.

We moved to my bed. I got her down to her bra and panties, but she kept saying, “No, no.” I was so turned on by her beauty and petite figure that I told myself she’s not walking out my door without getting fucked. At that moment I accepted the idea of getting locked up in a Polish prison to make it happen.

After more such “foreplay,” Roosh gets what he wants:

I put on a condom, lubed up, and finally got her consent to put it in. … I put her on her stomach and went deep, pounding her pussy like a pedophile. She took it like a champ even though I imagine it must have felt like being fucked by a telescope. My orgasm was from another world.

This is what passes for a happy ending in Roosh’s stories.

In 30 Bangs, a collection of Rooshian case studies, Roosh gives his excruciating account of “sex” with an anonymous Catholic girl a similarly “upbeat” ending:

After dinner we went upstairs and I eased her onto my king-size bed. It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes.

The sex was painful for her. I was only the second guy she’d ever had sex with. … She whimpered like a wounded puppy dog the entire time, but I really wanted to have an orgasm, so I was “almost there” for about ten minutes. After sex she sobbed for a good while, talking about how she had sinned in the eyes of God, but in an hour she got horny again and we went at it once more.

In Bang Ukraine, Roosh describes how he used “some muscle” to hold a woman down after she changed her mind during sex.

I was fucking her from behind, getting to the end in the way I normally did, when all of a sudden she said, “Wait stop, I want to go back on top.” I refused and we argued. … She tried to squirm away while I was laying down my strokes so I had to use some muscle to prevent her from escaping. I was able to finish, but my orgasm was weak.

Afterwards I told her she was selfish and that she couldn’t call an audible so late in the game.

Again and again in these stories – and there are more of them — Roosh misleads, manipulates, cajoles, pressures and intimidates women until he gets what he wants. The women could not be clearer in their refusals, telling Roosh no and pushing him away. He doesn’t care.

To judge from his own accounts of his sexual exploits in the books he published himself, Roosh is a dangerous sexual predator who has been getting away with it for years. In his Bang books, he teaches young men that they can get away with it too.

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Sofia van der Linde
Sofia van der Linde
9 years ago

If Roosh is not a citizen of the country he lives in then they could render him to any country chosing to charge him.

Considering his self-confessed rapes all it would take is one of his victims filing a police report

CPK ☺ Charles Kincy (@cpk)

Shartiste just now recommended that Roosh sue Montreal activists for defamation.

Half-seriously, I kinda hope he does…it would go VERY badly for him. Quebec has strong anti-SLAPP laws, and defamation defendants are allowed nearly unlimited discovery in defense of a “probably true” statement. Truth IS an effective defense in Quebec, though it functions differently as a standard than it does in the US.

For instance, they could quote anything from any of his books. If they succeed under anti-SLAPP, they could make Roosh foot the bill.

History Nerd
History Nerd
9 years ago

Extradition law is pretty complicated, since you need to have a good understanding of their legal cultures, how both handle extradition/rendition, and how both deal with various criminal offenses.

If it turns out he had sex with someone under 18 in another country, he can be prosecuted in the US even if the age of consent in the other country is lower.

Johanna Roberts
9 years ago

Massive TW: CSA/Pedophilia

From personal experince, Roosh, this is what it’s like for a woman to be pounded by a pedophile just so you know what you described: there is loud, loud burning pain and afterwards you can bleed for days (one assault made my parents think I was menstruating) and you spend years wondering exactly what the hell you did to deserve such a thing and then years wondering if it happened at all because the person who did it only got a few months in prison and that was called “justice.” THAT is what it is like to be pounded by a pedophile, Rooshy.

That being said, reading this made me physically ill and I’ve been watching documentaries about serial killers all day. I can sit through the Green River Killer’s deviance while eating breakfast but you, Roosh, you make me want to vomit. Likely because you’re teaching this shit to others and walking around free.

I need brain bleach. I’m going to watch “Most Evil.”

Yep, serial killers are easier to take than this vile SOB. I also may or may not be hugging my old teddy bear. ;___;

Dawn Incognito
Dawn Incognito
9 years ago

Johanna, I’m so sorry that someone put you through that.

May I ask what documentaries you’ve been watching? I’m also interested in serial killers and forensic psychology etc.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
9 years ago

Render as in the process by which animal carcasses and animal waste is converted into useful and pathogen free value added by-products (also known as “animal carcass recycling”), because I could totally support the rendering of Dooosh into various products like soap, fuels, rubber, plastics, and candles – the soap and candles being most apropos considering 1.) live Dooosh stinks because washing is too much to ask from Ser Stinkiest and 2.) Candles. Preferably the scented kind. Should be self-explanatory.

And no, I’m not advocating actual violence or anything, just trying to come up with a more pleasant and satisfactory scenario to think of instead of him raping, coercing, or otherwise engaging in sex without bothering to obtain consent or to care when consent is rescinded.

berdache from a previous life

To all who were triggered, I understand and I’m sorry. I haven’t been worth much today after reading that myself. Sometimes I’m sad to be the same gender as people [ I use the term loosely] like Roosh.

I would hope that, since it’s unlikely he’ll ever go to prison, that women everywhere are made aware of him and he never gets to hurt another woman.

I think he can go anywhere in Toronto and he’ll be recognized and unwelcome. I’d like that to be wherever he goes.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
9 years ago

So I was wondering if the Rooshster’s writings fell under my fair country’s hate speech laws. I googled the words “hate speech Canada” and no joke, two articles about Rooshy came up on the first page of results.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2015/08/11/pickup-artist-sparks-police-investigation.html

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/controversial-blogger-roosh-v-could-still-be-shut-down-by-public-pressure-1.3187110

I don’t know why the media calls him “anti-feminist” though when he’s clearly anti-woman.

sn0rkmaiden
9 years ago

Sadly most of his victims are likely to blame themselves for going home with such a man, sadly most of the people around them are likely to think that too. Roosh benefits very well from rape culture, no wonder he hates the feminists who seek to address that.

Also bear in mind he always lies to girls about who he is. When reading tweets from one of the girls involved in the beer episode, I gather he told them his name was Luke. The only good thing to come out of all this increased publicity is that women are more likely to see him coming.

Johanna Roberts
9 years ago

@Dawn Incognito — I just plug “serial killer” into youtube and got a good amount of them. Been watching them when my daughter’s been out playing with her friends. Most Evil is what I’m mainlining right now. It was one of Discovery ID’s flagship shows back in the day IIRC. What gets me is how many serial killers have a very MRA/Rooshian mentality when it comes to women. So yeah. Still, these are easier to watch than Roosh is to read, because these are people who have been caught and will die in prison. That, I can take, you know?

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

You know what I got from being raped? A teddy bear from a rape clinic (those people were amazing and awesome, and we need more caring individuals like them), depression, and anxiety.

Yay me.

BeyondOcean
BeyondOcean
9 years ago

What points to Roosh living in Poland (or wherever else in Europe)? I’m asking out of curiosity.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
9 years ago

Oh and I’m going to be forwarding the passages in this article to Indigo-Chapters and asking them not to sell this garbage. They seem to have all of his books available.

Dawn Incognito
Dawn Incognito
9 years ago

Fnoicby, do you have a contact address? I’ve purchased from Indigo and I would like to get in touch with them as a consumer as well. Thanks.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ Paradoxy

A teddy bear from a rape clinic

I am one of the most desensitised and stoic people you are ever likely to meet but that just nearly made me cry; it’s heartbreaking.

Would it be offensive to say you poor poor thing? I cannot imagine what you’ve been through.

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
9 years ago

Roosh is a rapist, simple and plain.

GhostBird
GhostBird
9 years ago

@NicolaLuna

That same part hit me, in much the same way as it hit you.
TW for the obvious reasons:
I was raped, something it has taken me years to admit and come to terms with, by a guy in college who, when initial intercourse proved painful and I suggested we try something else, ignored me and forced himself inside me. The pain was terrific, and the realization that I had no say in what happened to my body left me pretty much dumbstruck as to what to do save accept what was happening to me and get through it somehow. I remember staring at the ceiling, trying to breathe, and thinking ‘I guess this is rape’, though I suppose I didn’t much act like it had happened afterwards. I was at a college not known for it’s progressive attitude, and had virtually no friends at the time (my roommate, as per example, told me I should be stoned to death for fornication when I returned to the dorm after the previously discussed event, though I have to say she was the extreme end if things). So I wound up thrust back into the arms of my rapist, till he finally threw me out of his place in the middle of a horrendous snow storm, and that was it for that ugly chapter in my life. It’s repercussions, however, still echo faintly in my life and behavior.

And I know I’ve gotten wildly personal and TMI, but the fact stands that what happened to me, the trauma and the brutalization I and so many women have endured, is what that piece of human filth is promoting. And I swear to the Erinyes themselves that if I ever get my hands on him he will rue the fucking day.

Fuck, I’m burned out. I think I’m going to play a little Monument Valley and cool off. I hope nothing in the above post upsets anyone else too much. It’s one if the first times I’ve ever talked about it.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
9 years ago

@dawn, I’m going to look into it. I don’t want to send it to general customer service as I know I’ll get a canned response back. Next time I see you in the comments I’ll let you know!

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

I sense a need for kitties. Kitties! Come out, come out, wherever you are…

Oh! There you are:

Tea with Maru and Hana should wash that sour-bile taste out of everyone’s mouth.

If not, here are some hugs…

Just listen to that purr, and think of good things…

Dawn Incognito
Dawn Incognito
9 years ago

Thanks, I just tried general customer service to see if I can get kicked up the ladder. If I see any progress I’ll let you know.

I’m so angry and upset that I’m shaking. Time to watch or play something shiny. I just discovered that there was a Super Famicom Sailor Moon RPG and there’s a translation patch for it.

(…fighting evil by moonlight…)

A.A. Wils
9 years ago

I’ve read the comments from peole who have been victimized, and my heart goes out to you. I’ve never been assaulted (been in a couple near-assault situations when I was young, but never actually touched), but the fear, the humiliation, and the shame is unspeakable. I really can do nothing to take away your pain. All I can do is offer you internet hugs and blessings.

For everyone in need of some brain bleach, I present you with adorable baby owls.

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HphzDGU3Hxo&w=560&h=315%5D

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
9 years ago

@dawn can’t hurt to send it to the general email as well. Rarely am I so motivated to DO SOMETHING about these guys but I had no idea his writings were this bad. I thought Iceland was the worst of it.

Chrysler
Chrysler
9 years ago

“Are Roosh V’s “Bang” books how-to guides for rape?”

Having been given a copy of Bang Estonia as a gag gift one year, can confirm that yes, they are. Next question.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

Alan Robertshaw | August 14, 2015 at 4:30 pm
@ Paradoxy

A teddy bear from a rape clinic

I am one of the most desensitised and stoic people you are ever likely to meet but that just nearly made me cry; it’s heartbreaking.

Would it be offensive to say you poor poor thing? I cannot imagine what you’ve been through.

I thank you for your sympathy, and no, it’s not offensive. (And I thank you for not saying “I’m sorry”, that always bothered me for reasons I can never put my finger on.) However, as I may have mentioned before, this was a little over a decade ago now. I’ll never get over it, but I’ve learned to live with it.

So, hugs for you.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-11/12/10/enhanced/webdr04/anigif_original-grid-image-4300-1415806920-11.gif

Johanna Roberts
9 years ago

For fellow victims and everyone with well wishes I bring you ferrets:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/Sephirajo/ferret-1-500.jpg

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