If the almost universally despised pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh is able to deliver his planned talk tomorrow at some as-yet-undisclosed venue in Toronto, he won’t just be talking about the unoriginal blend of warmed-over misogyny he perplexingly calls “neomasculinity.”
He will also be selling his infamous “Bang” books, a series of pickup guides aimed mostly at North American tourists hoping to score easy sex in an assortment of countries in Europe and South America. These guides seem to have been Roosh’s main source of income for the past several years.
So it is worth asking what exactly Roosh is selling here.
Most of the “Bang” books are country-specific guides offering Roosh’s, er, insights into each country’s nightlife, dating mores, and women. “The best way to describe a Ukrainian girl’s personality is that of a corpse,” he explains in Bang Ukraine. “They really don’t show any emotion, interest, or spark when you first approach them. They just stand still with their eyes darting around.”
Alongside Roosh’s recommendations on cities to visit, bars to prowl, and dating “logistics” (rent an apartment near the bars you intend to frequent so you can easily get “girls” back to your place before, you know, they change their minds), Roosh also provides case studies of his sexual, er, conquests of women in each country.
Judging from Roosh’s own descriptions of them, many of these alleged conquests might better be described as rapes.
Again and again in these stories, presented as true, Roosh literally won’t take no for an answer, pressuring reluctant and resistant women into giving him what he wants, in one case using outright physical force in order to continue intercourse with a woman who had changed her mind.
In many of these cases Roosh tells us or at least implies that the woman in question consented to sex, but it is worth asking what kind of “consent” is preceded by literally hours of struggle against a physically imposing man who refuses to believe that no means no. It’s also worth asking what the woman’s own account of the experience would look like.
Are Roosh’s Bang books essentially how-to guides to date rape? Read some of his stories and decide for yourself. [Trigger Warning for the quotes that follow.]
The most notorious passage in any of Roosh’s Bang books comes from Bang Iceland, in which Roosh describes sex with a drunk woman he ushered to his apartment after she was left behind by her friends at a bar.
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.
I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.
Sex with women too drunk to consent is considered rape in Iceland as well as in the US.
Roosh continues:
If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she’s going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. …
I figure my dick was inside her about forty minutes after meeting her, likely my fastest bang ever. The sex was as good as drunken sex can get, but I did notice her pussy was drier than the Sahara desert.
Roosh’s sense of self-awareness is as underdeveloped as his conscience.
With another Icelandic woman, Roosh reports:
In the middle of the night I got another boner, put on a condom, and jammed it back in while she was half-asleep. I came and passed out again with the condom still on my dick….
Roosh’s accounts of his sexual escapades in Iceland are sadly rather typical for him. In Bang Poland, he makes clear that the word “no,” won’t stop him, no matter how many times it’s repeated.
We moved to my bed. I got her down to her bra and panties, but she kept saying, “No, no.” I was so turned on by her beauty and petite figure that I told myself she’s not walking out my door without getting fucked. At that moment I accepted the idea of getting locked up in a Polish prison to make it happen.
After more such “foreplay,” Roosh gets what he wants:
I put on a condom, lubed up, and finally got her consent to put it in. … I put her on her stomach and went deep, pounding her pussy like a pedophile. She took it like a champ even though I imagine it must have felt like being fucked by a telescope. My orgasm was from another world.
This is what passes for a happy ending in Roosh’s stories.
In 30 Bangs, a collection of Rooshian case studies, Roosh gives his excruciating account of “sex” with an anonymous Catholic girl a similarly “upbeat” ending:
After dinner we went upstairs and I eased her onto my king-size bed. It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes.
The sex was painful for her. I was only the second guy she’d ever had sex with. … She whimpered like a wounded puppy dog the entire time, but I really wanted to have an orgasm, so I was “almost there” for about ten minutes. After sex she sobbed for a good while, talking about how she had sinned in the eyes of God, but in an hour she got horny again and we went at it once more.
In Bang Ukraine, Roosh describes how he used “some muscle” to hold a woman down after she changed her mind during sex.
I was fucking her from behind, getting to the end in the way I normally did, when all of a sudden she said, “Wait stop, I want to go back on top.” I refused and we argued. … She tried to squirm away while I was laying down my strokes so I had to use some muscle to prevent her from escaping. I was able to finish, but my orgasm was weak.
Afterwards I told her she was selfish and that she couldn’t call an audible so late in the game.
Again and again in these stories – and there are more of them — Roosh misleads, manipulates, cajoles, pressures and intimidates women until he gets what he wants. The women could not be clearer in their refusals, telling Roosh no and pushing him away. He doesn’t care.
To judge from his own accounts of his sexual exploits in the books he published himself, Roosh is a dangerous sexual predator who has been getting away with it for years. In his Bang books, he teaches young men that they can get away with it too.
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Oof. If you could change back to the old font, that’d be great. This is hard to read.
David:
1: Something funky is up with the font-size.
2: That was some very rough reading. I know a general trigger warning applies to the entire blog, but this one should have it in big, glowing letters at the top.
3: Roosh should be locked up in a tiny cell for the rest of his pathetic, miserable waste of a life.
Roosh has never had fully consensual sex. I don’t think he could even get it up unless he knew it was rape.
Disgusting, vile piece of shit. I…can’t even.
(And on the subject of WP glitches – is anybody else seeing half of the sidebar down under the comment box instead?)
@SFHC: Yeah, I’m seeing that too.
The fuck? I just…That’s a positive description in his mind, isn’t it? Even sexy? Fucking disgusting.
Ah, this article is an interesting example of *reverse* Betteridge’s Law.
Is this guy allowed back in Iceland? Have the authorities there been notified?
That being said, I have to wonder how much of these are just Rooshy fantasy.
Holy shit. That’s even more vile and disgusting than I had thought the books would be. And he’s selling these as how-to guides to other men? I feel the overwhelming need to vomit and then never leave my house again.
Roosh should be in prison.
At least he uses protection?
I think everything below my waist just sealed itself forever. I nearly rage-cried thinking about those poor women being raped by this bastard. His lack of any empathy is disgusting, so disgusting.
If the mayor of Toronto or head of the city’s police read these confessions of actual rape he has actually committed and is using to train other men to rape like him, I hope he’d be kept out of the city. I hope he’d be refused entry to every city on earth.
@ Fnoicby
It doesn’t matter. It’s a well researched phenomena that one of the pre-indicators for violence is jokes or purported ‘fantasising’ by the perpetrator.
https://help.suu.edu/article/453/what-are-common-signs-or-indicators-of-violence
I get the feeling he uses protection as a way to insult insulting he women he is with.
@ Lorcan Nagle
Well, not so much: https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/08/06/fck-funnels-raw-dogs-and-garbage-receptacles-roosh-on-romance/
I fixed the font and added a TW before the quotes from Roosh.
I’m working with a web developer on doing a redesign of the blog (nothing radical), so things may get moved about a bit until it’s all settled.
You might be needing this.
http://media-cache-ak2.pinimg.com/736x/3b/89/4e/3b894e15654f883be19f3552154e565f.jpg
@ David
Like he thinks they’re not worthy of having his kids? I can see that sort of mindset in him.
That said, assuming his stories are true, and he has managed to basically rape all these women, I can only imagine the aftermath for them being much worse if some of them got pregnant as a result.
That paedophile comment is the most disgusting of the legal acts he has described – particularly as he has described the woman as petite. So now I have to know that Roosh fantasises about fucking little girls too. When I thought it couldn’t get any worse…
I always knew, intellectually, that there were people like this, but it’s a hard impact to my generally optimistic take on humanity to read first-hand accounts like this.
I can only hope he, and all of his ilk, get the punishment they have so far managed to avoid, if not in this life, than the next.
I’m not surprised. Roosh isn’t really a fan of consensual. Arguing with his worshipers about this is pointless as a lot of them think rape is only rape if a non-promiscuous woman gets raped by a complete stranger jumping out of the bush in the middle of the night, so they would never classify what Roosh is doing as rape or coercion. The fact that these women talked to Roosh, gave him their attention or went home with him automatically implies consent for them.
Man, I’m getting paranoid from reading all of this manospherian bullshit. I have to remind myself that most men don’t hate women or think of them as less and most men don’t subscribe to red pillian ideology.
@Alan
Thanks for the cats. Cats in hammocks in boats. It almost wipes what I just read from my minds.
@David:
Do you know whether Valizadeh has any sort of disclaimer as to whether or not these are claimed to be descriptions of actual events?
If so:
@Alan:
What is the legal status of a claim like this if it is not claimed to be an artistic falsehood? Is this in any way actionable?
“Afterwards I told her she was selfish”
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In some ways, this is the single most offensive line for me. I’m not even sure why, after a whole page of how great sex is when it suck for the woman (not to mention simply admitting he rapes women)… but something so egregious about saying “you are selfish for wanting something I dont want”, just leaves me dumbfounded.
(PS, I love how he sees himself as this “big” man, and bases that on… well the fact that it hurts the woman, I guess. Guys that proud of their size, usually aren’t that size)