So pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh V has, he says, filed charges against a woman who allegedly threw beer in his face outside a Montreal bar on Saturday night. That’s his right, of course.
But reading the statement he says he gave to police, I was struck by the tone of wounded innocence that runs through it. In the forum post on the subject, sounding a teensy bit like a stereotypical 19th century Southern belle overcome with the vapors, he complains about being “attacked” by the woman and her friends “after I was seduced by a young woman.”
In the statement he says he gave the police, Roosh affects a tone of indignation at the allegedly deceptive behavior of this young Jezebel.
I talked to one girl of the group who gave me the name “Jennifer.” She complimented my beard and general attractiveness and asked me to come outside with her for a cigarette. She is approximately 23 years old, shoulder length hair, brown hair, brown eyes, and slim build. She has a piercing between her nose like farm bulls have.
It’s called a septum piercing. You do live in the 21st century, do you not?
I went outside and sat next to her. She began sensually rubbing her legs against mine. Her skirt was short.
That hussy! Getting him all hot and bothered with her “sexy legs” before tossing a drink in his face.
After the beer-toss, Roosh reports, the alleged assailant and her friends followed him down the street,
yelling vulgar language. One girl yelled, “Eat my cunt.”
Heavens to Betsy! A woman referred to her delicate vagina flower using a very rude word!
Apparently, in Roosh’s world, only men are allowed to use that word. He and his followers certainly use it often enough.
A search on his blog for the word “cunt” returns 305 results.
In a post entitled “The True Nature of Women,” for example, Roosh writes that
within every woman on this planet, regardless of her education or background, is a bitch, a cunt, a slut, a golddigger, a flake, a cheater, a backstabber, a narcissist, and an attention whore that is dying to get out … .
In one called “It’s Your Fault That American Women are Winning,” he demanded of his readers
When was the last time you put an Americunt in her place?
He seems to like that particular portmanteau. On his site Return of Kings, he published a post titled “A Perfect Example Of The Americunt.”
Meanwhile, a post on RoK titled “American Women Are Only Good For One Thing” declares that
[m]ost of today’s women are bitchy, masculine, selfish cunts with inferiority complexes that make them think they want to dominate men.
The sad truth is that decades of feminism has reduced women to nothing more than three holes and a set of tits who are only as good as the orgasms they provide men.
In “Why You Should Avoid Dating Girls Who Claim They Were Raped,” another RoK writer informs us that
[e]ven the most manjawed cunt secretly harbors fantasies of locking down a good man, marrying him, and thereby trebling her disposable income. Chicks will cry rape if it means endless, adoring attention with zero associated cost. But they won’t if they think getting raped renders them unattractive in the eyes of men.
In other posts, RoK writers complain about “empowered femcunt doublespeak,” “Sheryl Sandberg-clone femcunt[s] …who have brought into the myth of office-cubicle empowerment,” and the sad fate of men who have “a cunty controlling bitch of a wife.”
I could literally spend the rest of the day providing more examples of “cunt” usage from Roosh and his friends from his two main blogs. If I started searching his forum as well, I suspect I could be at it for the entire week.
In other words, I’m pretty sure Roosh has heard the word before.
Were any woman to post a police report like the statement posted by Roosh, she would quickly be accused of “damseling” and worse by dozens if not hundreds of MRAs and PUAs and other assorted misogynistic woman-pesterers online.
And they’d call her a cunt, as well.
I’m sorry, the “wtf is wrong with you” is probably ableist. I shouldn’t have said that part.
It’s not an example of the no true Scotsman to say a rape is anti feminist. Because respect for consent is one of the basic tenets of feminism. That’s why had to be a toolshed can only talk about a pro rape feminist woman in the hypothetical. Because she doesn’t fucking exist. You can’t win an argument by simply throwing out logical fallacy accusations. Especially when you’re not making a logically sound argument yourself.
I can think of one woman who proudly claims to be a rapist. That woman is Janet Bloomfield. I wonder if had to be a fake neutrality troll is over at the MRA sites clucking about her? Probably not.
I don’t think that’s ableist in this context, isidore. It looks like you’re asking what’s morally wrong with him, not what’s mentally wrong with him.
Still, I can understand how it can be taken as ableist.
Yeah, with that last post, HtBS has crossed into full-blown rape apologism (Roosh has confessed, publicly, to actions that are not ‘rapey’, but full-blown rape; claiming otherwise at this point is just apologism for a self-admitted rapist). Can someone point David to that comment so a proper banhammering can occur?
isidore: “WTF is wrong with you” isn’t really ablist, generally, so long as it’s clear that non-ablist answers qualify. What’s wrong with HtBS is that he’s a rape-apologist piece of misogynistic shit.
Thanks, everyone. I was asking morally but I didn’t want to take the risk of hurting someone in case it wasn’t clear and I wasn’t sure how to clarify 🙂
@HTBS here’s what you said:
And here’s Roosh’s original statement:
Roosh flat out says it would be considered rape so why did you feel the need to throw in the “might”. It’s also funny how both you and him focus on it being a crime illegal in “another jurisdiction”, but don’t bother to note IT WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL BY ICELANDIC STANDARDS. You’re whitewashing his crimes to make him more sympathetic. You also whined about how we shouldn’t give him so much “attention” because “that’s what he wants”, but don’t give a shit about warning women to avoid the admitted rapist.
@Had To Be Said:
Don’t forget “making creepy advances on someone at a bar and touching them when they didn’t want to be touched.” That’s a pretty big part.
But yeah, following on isiodore13; if you take enough details out of a description, anything can seem absurd.
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I wonder if had to be a Rhoosh supporter is also one of those people who victim blames women for sexual assault because the no wasn’t clear enough. Because throwing a beer on someone who is getting in your personal is a pretty clear no. Funny how there’s always some guy saying we’re telling a guy no wrong. We’re not allowed to be aggressive about it because that’s mean. We’re not allowed to say a soft no and hope he takes the hint because it’s totally unfair to expect basic social skills from men.
It’s almost like these men don’t think we should be able to say no at all.
Running list of people HTBS has defended:
-Janet Bloomfield
-Reddit
-Roosh
-Himself
Running list of people HTBS has attacked:
-David
-Everyone else here
@wwth, and yet when we say yes we’re immediately irredeemable sluts who have no value at all.
It’s really time to ban this troll. The most tedious type of troll is the one who claims to not be a troll. Pull the plug.
@Had to Be Said,
As people already acknowledged, if a woman who had once bragged about having sex with a man who was so drunk that what she’d done was legally rape after she took advantage of the situation to ensure that he had to rely on her to get home, if that woman frequently gave dating advice that encouraged women to exploit and abuse men, and if that woman went into a bar and made advances to a particular man that involved unwanted contact, then, yes, she would deserve to have a drink tossed in her face and be chased out of the bar. However, as Pandapool said, a woman who was as open about doing to men the things that Roosh does to women and went around encouraging other women to emulate her behavior, then no one would be lauding her as a feminist activist.
As a matter of fact, the woman whose self-purported behavior most closely mirrors your hypothetical feminists is Janet Bloomfield, aka JudgyBitch.
Had To Be Said: Dude, give it up. Almost everyone who said you weren’t a troll before has realized there mistake.
If you aren’t trying to troll here I regret to inform you that you are a creepy asshole.
Go away.
Actually, if a feminist made their living promoting violence and dehuminizing a particular group through hate speech, advocated for sexual assault to be legalized against that group and even committed by their own admission sexual assault I wouldn’t be in the slightest bit interested in someone throwing beer in their face. I’d want them in jail for sexual assault. Further, if this person tried to silence justified opposition to violating the national law (the nation in which they are a guest) against hate speech through inciting a campaign of internet harassment I would want them charged for that too. And I would want everyone who has committed sexual assault based on this person’s teachings brought to justice as well. Being a feminist or an MRA isn’t the issue- the dehumanization of women and the promotion of violence against them is.
Janet Bloomfield also admitted to having raped someone?!
Jesus tapdancing Christ on a cracker; is rape in vogue in the manosphere or something?!
It’s interesting how a false narrative has formed here in the comments using nothing but imagination and enthusiastic reinforcement of favored “facts.” This wasn’t an organized attempt to confront Roosh? The original instigator did not seek him out but instead was the victim of an unwanted pickup attempt? The confrontation was motivated by unwanted touching by Roosh?
Not according to one member of the mob:
If Roosh’s “kino” was unwanted, Roosh had no way to know that — because she “let him hit on her” to stall for time as she waited for accomplices. How can it be Roosh’s fault that she actively deceived him while waiting for her backup to arrive for the planned confrontation?
I believe this Kafka-esque move is known as “victim-blaming.”
kirbywarp, in addition to repeating the above misinformation, you say that “She didn’t ‘immediately brag about [her] actions online.'”
She wrote this: “Pouring my drink on Roosh V’s head was the best moment EVER!!! #rooshv”
But never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Yes, Roosh has made his living off of building a reputation for being a man who violates women’s personal space in a sexual manner. And it was made very clear that the people of Montreal didn’t want them there- their own mayor publicly said as much. It wasn’t up to those women to avoid his unwanted sexual attention, it was up to him to refrain from violating their personal space. No one was keeping secrets from Roosh- his message is so repugnant and hateful it is barely fit to be publicly spoken in Canada. And he acted on that message.
“Anarcha-feminists” is a key word here. Anarcha = Anarchy. Anarcha-feminism isn’t liberal feminism, which is the majority of feminist in North America.
I know you don’t understand this because MRAs don’t understand social movements at all, but I just want to clarify that.
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@HTBS
Well, I guess we really should believe in a single comment in a forum rather than one the people involved in the incident.
And do we really have to tell people not to go about trying to guide people they just met by the waist? Really?
@HTBS
There’s a difference between letting something happen and actively encouraging it. She didn’t deceive him, she just didn’t get him an immediate and firm ‘no’. Or, knowing Roosh and what he’s all about, she might have given him a ‘no’ that he ignored. But all of that is conjecture. Just like saying that she actively deceived him. By her own words she did nothing of the sort. I can let my cat sit on my arm even if it’s an annoyance to me but that is in no way means I called the cat over and pressed on his butt until he sat there. One of those is “letting” one of them is “actively deceiving”.
Specifically, a single comment from the guys who proudly announced that they were deliberately spreading misinformation.
Had To Be Said: Interesting how its victim blaming to defend a woman who did not tell the self admitted rapist off for grabbing her without her consent immediately, but NOT victim blaming to blame said woman for not telling the self admitted rapist to keep his hands to himself.
In short you are a sleazy asshole who came here to mansplain in defense of a rapist. FUCK OFF.
Had to be said,
Why are you ignoring that Rhoosh wore a disguise in order to go to bars he had been banned from? Otherwise known as trespassing. Funny how you’re exaggerated the crime that was committed against Rhoosh (which at the very worst would be the Canadian equivalent of misdemeanor assault). Which may not have even been a crime and could be construed as self defense. Do you think Rhoosh should be charged for trespassing? Are you on record on his blog telling his supporters that he was in the wrong for trespassing? Have you scolded them about the fact that he’s threatening to file false charges with child protection against one of the protesters? Funny how you’re only focusing on the feminist “mob.” And since when was a few people shouting a mob? Nobody was hurt, there was no property damage, police weren’t called to the scene, there were no weapons present. This was milder than most of the bar/party fights I’ve witnessed men having with each other.
Wait you mean a woman who was faced with an admitted rapist waited for backup to arrive before entering into a confrontation? Holy shit, how terrible! She clearly should have dumped her drink on him right away, while she was alone, because we definitely haven’t heard ANYTHING from Roosh’s ilk that would imply that these shitbuckets would react with violence to that, surely not!
Also, I know it’s difficult from MRAs to grasp this, but a lack of a “No” doesn’t mean “Yes”.
Can we ban the rape apologist troll yet?