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Pickup guru Roosh V thinks he’s beaten those opposing his talk tomorrow in Montreal. In fact, he’s proved their point.

Roosh V: Bro is definitely mad
Roosh V: Bro is definitely mad

Tomorrow, pickup artist and rape legalization proponent Roosh Valizadeh’s four-country “world tour” comes to Montreal, Canada and it’s fair to say it has hit a few snags.

The first little snag, as you may already have heard, was a petition asking the Canadian government to bar Roosh’s entry into the country as a literal hatemonger. It drew nearly 14,000 signatures, while a counter-petition, demanding that Roosh be let in, has so far managed to get six.

The snags continue. Though the wily Roosh has apparently been able to make his way over the border, he wasn’t able to keep the Montreal hotel originally scheduled to hold his event from cancelling on him, in the wake of complaints from local activists and some less-than-adoring media coverage of the terrible Mr. V.

Roosh says he’s found a new location, but the cancellation and the campaign against him have clearly been wearing on him.

In an an angry and at times unhinged video that he made before he secured the new venue, Roosh declared that his life’s work was at stake, and that if he was unable to book his event at another location he would show up at whatever protest materialized and, he strongly implied, start fighting everyone there until he got carried off to jail.

Hoping to forestall such an embarrassing spectacle, Roosh rallied his internet army and called on them to dig up dirt on the organizers of the planned protest. Posting on his own forum earlier this week, Roosh announced the start of “Operation Medusa,” the name an apparent reference to his belief that feminists are ugly monsters.

Naturally, Roosh’s five-prong plan was steeped in ethics. Among other things, he urged his followers to

1. Infiltrate main staging area for the enemy on Facebook and gather information. Use a fake Facebook account that is not linked to your real identity to message the organizer pretending to be a sniveling male feminist and asking for access to the private group. …

2. Spread disinformation on the event page. On the public page, contribute updates that distract them and lead them astray. You can also attempt to goad them into making illegal statements that can allow me to pursue legal action (civil or criminal).

3. Counter opposition research on the main perpetrators. With the help of an ROK writer, I am commissioning an investigative journalistic piece that focuses on [the three main organizers].

Given that he announced this super seekrit plan publicly on his forum, and that his opponents found it fairly quickly, it’s safe to say that prongs one and two were not likely very successful.

But Roosh seems to be going forward with prong number three. Posts attacking two of the three names at the top of Roosh’s enemies list have already appeared on Return of Kings, though they are less muckraking than simple poop flinging. The conclusion of David Garrett’s post will perhaps give you a sense of the general tenor of both pieces:

Aurelie Nix and her not so merry band of affronted, free speech-hating witch hunters are currently in the self-immolating throes of their violent opposition to Roosh’s truth.

Both posts quote Roosh without mentioning that he’s the guy “commissioning” and presumably paying for them. Smearing someone for money on Return of Kings, on behalf of the publisher of Return of Kings, is not “investigative journalism” as it is practiced anywhere on planet Earth.

You’d think that ace reporter Matt Forney, the author of the other of these lovely posts, would know better. After all, he was until recently the, ahem, “editor” of Roosh’s Reaxxion website, a #GamerGate-aligned video game site ostensibly big on media ethics. Indeed, it had this as the first plank in its “ethics policy.”

We give full disclosure if writing about a topic that we have personal or business relationships with, including investments. All disclosures will go at the very beginning of an article. Failure to disclose relationships will result in an immediate blacklist from publishing on Reaxxion.

But I digress. Forney’s piece, in addition to its many ethical failings, is also a terrible work of journalism, a blustery assault on what he describes as a “frenzied hate mob” of “authoritarian, Pharisaical” feminists, whose allegedly “violent campaign” against Roosh is “built on lies and intimidation.”

Uh, isn’t that a pretty spot on description of Roosh’s “Operation Medusa?”

You know, the one where he openly and unapologetically urges people to “spread disinformation” and dig up dirt on his opponents in order to scare them into silence?

In response to this nasty little campaign of intimidation and insinuation, many of those publicly associated with the planned protest of Roosh’s event have deleted and taken their social media accounts private. The original proposed protest of Roosh’s event has also morphed into a more broadly focused Demonstration Against Rape Culture, to be held tomorrow at noon, with the organizers of the new event declaring

In the last few weeks various women have mobilized to protest the hate speech disseminated by an American “pick up artist”. These women were victims of intimidation, trolling, harassment, and even some rape & death threats. Cuntamponary Art has decided to lend its voice to these women and to serve as an anonymous platform for them to express themselves freely. Due to said harassment, public facebook events have been canceled. The Cuntamponary Art Collective refuses to play into this petty “internet war” that has been targeting and abusing individuals instead of focusing on the larger issues at hand: preventing the promotion of hate and rape culture.

Roosh and his followers see this a giant victory. Which, looked at narrowly, I suppose it is.

But by responding to charges that Roosh is a disseminator of hate with a hateful, misogynistic campaign of intimidation aimed at feminists, they have succeeded only in making clear to more people just how staggeringly awful Roosh and his ilk really are.

Nest week, Roosh heads to Toronto. I don’t think he’s going to get a very warm welcome.

EDIT: Added some stuff about Roosh’s three-prong plan.

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anon
anon
5 years ago

I guess lying about who you are and lying to the group that you join is how people who want to be ethical game journalists behave.

loquora
5 years ago

I genuinely guffawed out loud at the counter petition getting 6 signatures. Well done, freeze peachers.

dhag85
5 years ago

Oh, Roosh. I love seeing how he, Elam, Esmay, JB and the others just fall apart when they encounter slight resistance. Such jackasses.

Speaking of which, I just watched the Republican debate. Mind = blown. WTF even was that? I don’t even know what to say. Just what the fuck.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

@dhag85: What’s worse is when I woke up this morning, my grandma was watching the news and three female reporters were defending Trump’s statements to Megan Kelly by regurgitating what he said in his defensive rage-tweets after the debate (“I tweet a lot of things! I quote a lot of people! I don’t remember saying that!”), and he even “quoted” that Megan Kelly was a “bimbo” from someone else. (“Quoted” in scare quotes because he wouldn’t re-tweet that shit if he didn’t believe it.) Luckily, the male weather man they asked for comment because he had said nothing just said he was over Trump and wanted the US to get over their fascination with him, an opinion I highly agree with.

On topic:

Feminists and anti-rape advocates: Roosh is a violent rapist who threatens anyone who disagrees with him!

Roosh: No I don’t! How dare you! *makes video asking his followers to dig up dirt to threaten them into silence*

There’s a phrase for this kind of behavior, I just know it. If not, there should be. It’s so similar to the fallacy of “Guilt of the Accuser” (And I know Roosh is trying to do that too), but there’s other elements here.

rick
rick
5 years ago

In the words of Jim Lahey, does he not realize he’s setting up his own “shit snares”? That this behaviour just gives more reason to run him out of town? I didn’t read the smear article, but its no surprise that Forney wrote the damn thing? He’s a greasy reprobate, and oddly enough, like an apparatchik of the Roosh cult. Seriously, what’s with that? The amount of worship thrown at Roosh by guys like Aurini, Forney and the rest of the manosphere gang is really odd and creepy and at the very least just pathetic.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@dhag85:

It was ten presumed adults desperately trying to appeal to a noxious base while the mouthpiece of their political party desperately tried to weed out the field. Democracy, everyone, democracy.

@Paradoxical Intention:

… How? What? How do you even… They defended him? Who could possibly… what mindset do you have to… why would you even bother…

I… I think I need to sit down.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@Paradoxy:
I suspect that fallacy is just called “hypocrisy” and/or “projection.”

berdache from a previous life

Sincerely hope that the 140,000 to 6 ratio is also indicative of how many people actually espouse/believe what Roosh believes.

Any idea if Roosh is one of the 6?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

The first little snag, as you may already have heard, was a petition asking the Canadian government to bar Roosh’s entry into the country as a literal hatemonger. It drew nearly 14,000 signatures, while a counter-petition, demanding that Roosh be let in, has so far managed to get six.

In an an angry and at times unhinged video that he made before he secured the new venue, Roosh declared that his life’s work was at stake, and that if he was unable to book his event at another location he would show up at whatever protest materialized and, he strongly implied, start fighting everyone there until he got carried off to jail.

BRING IT, Roosh, you fucking coward. Everyone knows you wouldn’t, because then you’d get deported and be persona non grata from here on in. And rightly so.

Roosh announced the start of “Operation Medusa,” the name an apparent reference to his belief that feminists are ugly monsters.

This from a man whose mirror will never be his friend…even if he does get over himself and just PRACTICE BASIC HYGIENE, ALREADY.

But hey. One thing he does have over the actual Medusa is that his face merely sends women — feminist or whatever — screaming and running away.

When they’re not protesting at having to view his shit mug in their nice clean town, that is.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

So, signing a petition is too much hard work for the manosphere. If red pill men are so superior, you’d think they’d be able to get their shit together enough to at least get a petition going.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Frankly, I’m surprised that as many as SIX WHOLE DUDES thought it worth bringing Roosh in here to babble bullshit and spread rape culture.

(Assuming that none of them is Roosh himself, and all are Canadian…which I doubt.)

semaphore
semaphore
5 years ago

I was listening to French CBC radio this morning, and they talked about Roosh, which surprised me, because I find French Canadians generally unaware of manosphere stuff. It’s annoying how they start the segment by admitting that they’ve never heard of Roosh, and then describe him so mildly (he teaches men to seduce women, apparently). I think it’s their uninformed attempt to sound ‘balanced’. They still said he was misogynistic and talked about him negatively, but it’s annoying that they don’t actually describe what he really does. I think it gives him publicity and makes him look like a victim.

Lina
Lina
5 years ago

He doesn’t get that the information he disseminates is quite likely to be criminal. It’s not free speech, not here, as far as I know. It could fall under “hate propaganda” or “person counselling offence”.law. “Identifiable groups” to which the hate propaganda laws apply, for the purpose of the criminal code in Canada, include “sex”.

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
5 years ago

Feminists and anti-rape advocates: Roosh is a violent rapist who threatens anyone who disagrees with him!

Roosh: No I don’t! How dare you! *makes video asking his followers to dig up dirt to threaten them into silence*

There’s a phrase for this kind of behavior, I just know it

For this specific internet-based form, it’s just “#gamergatery”.

For the general behavior – that’s a bit trickier, because it’s wrong in so many different ways that there’s no single description. I’d say it’s a combination of “poisoning the well” and “the nail that sticks up gets hammered down”.

Berwick66
Berwick66
5 years ago

Judging him by his own standards he has hit the wall, face first and hard.
I don’t have a physical type I’m attracted to, I don’t judge on looks and neither do my wet parts. I’ve always been more stimulated and interested by character, but if looks are what he thinks are the measure then I can only say ha, ha ha, haaaaaaaaa.
If he wasn’t such an awful person trying to make money out of turning other vulnerable men into awful people I could feel sorry for him.
Oh Roosh, you have so misunderstood how the world works, you have made yourself unemployable and unfuckable.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

kirbywarp | August 7, 2015 at 12:46 pm
… How? What? How do you even… They defended him? Who could possibly… what mindset do you have to… why would you even bother…

I… I think I need to sit down.

To be fair, the local news station is owned by Fox.

Operation Medusa

Yeah, let’s name our operation after a rape victim who was turned into a monster for her own protection and/or to be punished for being raped in Athena’s temple, then brutally beheaded by a man so she can be used as a prop to further his glory!

That’s the best idea ever! *eyeroll* [/sarcasm]

Also, I found an interesting bit of reading: Apparently Medusa is a feminist icon because she symbolizes female rage, and there’s a movement to take her back and use her for ourselves, thus metaphorically reclaiming and using our rage to direct it back on the people who deserve it. (i.e. people like Roosh)

Sofia van der Linde
5 years ago

You would think Roosh would have enough fanboys to get more than six signatures for his petition.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Hahahaha, those IQ points you guys lost watching the Republican Debate will never come back!

Steve Green
5 years ago

I just posted on that YouTube stream. Guessing it will be deleted pretty damned quickly.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Paradoxy

Athena doesn’t exactly come out of that tale covered in glory.

Now as most Greek myths are supposedly either anthropomorphic representations of actual historical events and/or allegories for some aspect of the human condition it would be interesting to know what the story is actually about.

Steve Green
5 years ago

For the record, it read: “What a twat. I’m embarrassed to hear you managed to spread your misogynist and pro-rape bile in Britain.”

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I remember being so confused when I learned the whole mythology of Medusa for the first time. When I was kid, I just knew her as a monster with snake hair. It wasn’t until college that I found out she was in many ways a victim. It’s a very sad story. Rape culture in a nutshell, really. I’m totally on team Medusa.

raysa
raysa
5 years ago

In the video, roosh says that he isn’t of Anglo Saxon or English descent, that he is from the middle east.

Hasn’t he claimed to be white in the past?

It doesn’t matter to me, but white supremacy seems to overlap with these types so often, I am just curious.

Also, several people have said things to me on these threads, trying to make me feel welcome, and I have seen it and I appreciate it! I am trying to get used to this posting format, and I can’t find a way to reply to individual comments. And I am a notoriously slow learner. But I wanted to make sure that I said thanks for the replies. 🙂

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

@raysa, you can’t really reply to individual comments, just make it clear who you’re replying to by saying ‘@usernamehere’. If you want to reply only to part of what they said, you can blockquote it. Information about blockquoting is in the welcome package 🙂

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Alan Robertshaw | August 7, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Athena doesn’t exactly come out of that tale covered in glory.

Considering that she’s the one who changed Medusa into the monster in the first place, and Jason gives her Medusa’s head to put on her shield once he’s done with it? No. No she doesn’t.

Though, I am kind of naively smitten with the idea that Athena changed her into a monster to protect her from men and make men fear her after she was so brutally assaulted. It would make me feel like there’s a little hope after all.

Hipsterminator
5 years ago

This reminds me of the South Park episode where NAMBLA came to town. The closing speech sounds like Roosh’s whinging about now.

(Sorry about the quality. It’s the only one I could find with the whole speech)

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’d love to see a feminist retelling of that story in movie or miniseries form.

Gipsz Jakab
Gipsz Jakab
5 years ago

@WWTH:

I’m pretty sure Lauren Faust is working on a movie exactly like that right now.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Sweet! I don’t know who Lauren Faust is. I’ll have to look her up.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Lauren Faust is the producer for My Little Pony and worked on the Power Puff Girls.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Also Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ PI

Though, I am kind of naively smitten with the idea that Athena changed her into a monster to protect her from men and make men fear her after she was so brutally assaulted

Unfortunately the narrative is more “If you hadn’t looked so sexy Poseidon wouldn’t have been forced to rape you thus defiling my temple” hence the ‘ironic’ punishment of poor old Medusa’s looks being turned into a man killing machine. Ultimately she ends up with her head stuck on Athena’s shield.

Of course that’s just the version that got passed down. Could be unreliable narrator. Some early MRA changing things so it was all a woman’s fault.

Having said that, Greek women could be quite horrible to women. One of the earliest examples of slut shaming I can think of is how other Greek women had the pejorative term “phainomērídes” (thigh flashers) for Spartan women because they wore mini skirts.

Dodom
Dodom
5 years ago

Roosh made a big(ger) mistake in Montreal. He declared war on a Québécor Média journalist. MRAs are so used to punching down, to only go after vulnerable victims, have they forgotten some ennemies are stronger than them? Do they think mainstream media outside the US has no influence, money or very experienced lawyers?

pkayden
5 years ago

I am very disappointed that Canada allowed this hatemonger in to spread his misogyny. Also sad to see that Roosh’s supporters successfully bullied protesters using death and rape threats. Sigh.
“These women were victims of intimidation, trolling, harassment, and even some rape & death threats.”
Bullying works, I guess.

Gipsz Jakab
Gipsz Jakab
5 years ago

@Pandapool:

She’s also working on Wander Over Yonder.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’ve still never seen My LIttle Pony (at least not that version) but I loved the Powerpuff Girls. I used to have a Buttercup keychain.

Mathieu Tremblay
5 years ago

@semaphore:

Obviously, I can’t speak for all french Montrealers, but I think the problem is a whole lot of us haven’t heard of the manosphere too much. Personally, I have only been made aware of these types through American web sites like WHTM. I know there is some mobilisation against Roosh’s conference, but for most of us, the most common reaction is likely to be “what the hell is a PUA?”

Then again, I have been told in the past how Quebec had been “ruined by feminism”, mostly from anglophones. I don’t know why it was mostly anglophones (and to be fair, some francophones seem to believe the same) but if my personal experience is anything to go by, I would guess that maybe antifeminism is perhaps less prevalent here.

Hypatia
Hypatia
5 years ago

I just watched that Roosh’s video. It was heartbreaking to listen what the evil feminazis are doing to this poor kind-hearted man. My eyes teared up.

Just kidding lol, the video is hilarious. The way he is trying to make himself to look like a victim and provoke compassion in viewers. Lol. My favourite part of the video was when he said: “My work is all about self-improvement and truth.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA sure it is, Daryush.

I guess the tables have turned. Roosh and his ilk thought they could spew woman-hating bullshit forever without facing any pushback and now that they’re facing it, of course they’re whining about “authoritarian feminazi freeze peach censoring radical left”. I don’t know why this man is so surprised, he is a misogynistic hate-monger but expects not to get any opposition?

On the other hand, perhaps the petition and the protests were a wrong thing to do as they will only get this asshat more publicity which is exactly what he wants, but, what is done is done.

It is also very convenient how AVfM will publish a piece defending this troglodyte but they won’t publish a piece considering the option that Bill Cosby really is a rapist. Talk about human rights, eh?

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Pandapool — The Species that Endangers YOU | August 7, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Lauren Faust is the producer for My Little Pony and worked on the Power Puff Girls.

And the sad thing about working on My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is that it has/had fans that are some of the most entitled, sexist, anti-feminist bags of horse shit I’ve ever seen.

Which is funny considering that Lauren Faust is a feminist, and the show is not only for girls, but has a majority of girls in the cast (who don’t fall into stereotypes and are great friends), and takes place in a country only run by women in a matriarchy.

In fact, there was a storyline about the main characters defeating an evil king and he was eventually replaced with a Queen. Misandring everywhere.

TL;DR: The fact that anti-feminist assholes like MLP:FiM baffles me to this very day.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

She’s also working on Wander Over Yonder.

I didn’t know that! Admittedly the only reason I watch Disney TV is for Gravity Falls.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

I’ve still never seen My LIttle Pony (at least not that version) but I loved the Powerpuff Girls. I used to have a Buttercup keychain.

My Little Pony is alright. I’ve seen a couple of episodes of it, but I wouldn’t say they were anything to write home too. It’s been a while though.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

The fact that anti-feminist assholes like MLP:FiM baffles me to this very day.

It shouldn’t surprise you. They manage to miss the point of every single TV show, movie and book they consume.

History Nerd
5 years ago

Much of Roosh’s work seems to be barely legal (no pun intended) in the US. It’s arguably inciting criminal activity, but he’d likely get away with claiming he’s just joking or exaggerating. He’s self-conscious about not making explicit threats at least most of the time.

Michael Lindsay
5 years ago

Failure to disclose relationships will result in an immediate blacklist from publishing on Reaxxion.

The…site “for gamers” that Roosh shut down because no gamers wanted to visit?

Oh dear.

jj (@clockworkelves)
5 years ago

I’m pretty sure those 14000 petition-signers are rabid Maenads that most of the silent majority here in Canada secretly can’t stand anyway.

As for the six on the pro-Roosh side, that doesn’t really say that much. When fully pressed most Canadians wouldn’t care either way that Roosh is coming here to speak but most also know that politically-incorrect speech will result in a “Feminazi” backlash. So really, it’s probably fear and some apathy that constitutes that number.

lightcastle
lightcastle
5 years ago

Hi everyone! I think I posted a comment the other day about how he had driven his opposition from the field and was hoping it would fare better in Toronto. Obviously, the anti-Roosh forces have rallied and there is the more general protest at noon tomorrow, which has been officially filed for, is likely to get media coverage (there has been a lot already, including a CTV interview with Aurelie.

There are people worried about going to the protest tomorrow, because they may end up as official targets of RooshV’s crowd/manospherians. Even if the harassment did reach the point where someone could be arrested, the damage to freelancers, small business owners, independent contractors, etc, can be too much.

The petition thing is kind of misleading though. Most people thought Roosh was already in Montreal since he announced he was going to spend a few weeks here. Then there is the fact that while we do have hate crime propaganda legislation here, that would just mean you could stop his books from being shipped to Canada. There was no way he was going to be stopped at the border, so no one ever took that seriously, I suspect. (Well, some of the signers to keep him out did, because they were under the mistaken impression that Action Johnson was stopped from entering the country by a petition like that.)

If the protest tomorrow stays as a rally about rape culture, then it should be well attended and all that will happen is that Roosh’s gang will try and film and identify their new “Big Red” to dox and harrass. If the location of the actual event leaks, then I suspect at least some will march there, which may result in arrests because it is illegal to hold rallies or marches in Montreal without advance permission from the police.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

“My work is all about self-improvement and truth.”

If that were true, wouldn’t he be advising men NOT to rape, NOT to take advantage of disadvantaged women, and above all, to look like something other than lazy sacks of shit? Wouldn’t it be about manners, courtesy, and general basic human decency?

Nope. It’s all about how to “bang” (i.e. RAPE) women of various other countries. And how to bore them to sleep with your inane prattle before you move in for the kill.

lightcastle
lightcastle
5 years ago

Wow, I screwed that link up GOOD. :*(

numerobis
numerobis
5 years ago

@raysa:

In the video, roosh says that he isn’t of Anglo Saxon or English descent, that he is from the middle east.

Hasn’t he claimed to be white in the past?

Valizadeh is an Iranian name. That indicates he’s literally aryan.

History Nerd
5 years ago

@lightcastle

From my limited understanding of Canadian law, Roosh probably wouldn’t be prosecuted for hate speech or harassment unless he was publicly disturbing the peace. Like, e.g., he was standing on the street and passing out misogynistic literature in a way that draws attention to himself.