“Is it just me? Or are women biologically inferior to men?” Red Piller asks

@Penny Psmith,

that infowars guy is big on polemic and small on logic. I am embarrassed to share a nationality with him.

I’m ever so shocked that the red pillers read It Follows in the most shallow way possible. Never mind that the writer /director has said it’s not meant to be about sex being bad.

Minor spoilers ahead.

I saw it as about how death is inevitable. It follows you your whole life and you’ll never escape it. It’s only a matter of time before it gets you. Young adulthood, a time when you’re starting to have more new relationships and your world is expanding beyond the high school bubble is when you start to realize your mortality, lose your innocence and become more cynical.

There’s also a side of women realizing that as they hit sexual maturity, they start to be viewed as the sexual class. The more conventionally attractive guy who gives her the monster objectifies her as a means to get rid of it. But the “Nice Guy” friend who likes her objectifies her too. He sees her as an object of desire and a damsel in distress. There’s the unspoken undercurrent that if she let’s him help her, she becomes his.

Also, there’s a lot of rape symbolism since she’s drugged and tied up while she learns about the monster from the guy she just slept with. Then he dumps her, shivering and traumatized on her front lawn. Clad only in her bra and panties.

Sorry to teal deer. I just really like that movie and find it ridiculous and annoying that the red pill douches are trying to claim it as their own.

@superdangermike

The Roman goddess of war is Bellona, not Belladonna. Belladonna is something else entirely.

What disturbs me about these Red Pill types is that, had I had the internet (and those kind of sites) when I was, say, 16…God knows what I would be like now. I mean, hopefully I wouldn’t be talking like those guys, but you never know. If you’re an unhappy and sexually frustrated boy or young man, it’s easy to come up with all sorts of rationalizations as to why you’re that way and to make yourself feel better (ironically, just like they accuse ‘hamster’ women of doing). Maybe only assholes get laid. Maybe you should be an asshole too. Maybe women are irrational and easily manipulated (and the ones that don’t fit that model have something wrong with them). I suppose what it boils down to is that, for a lot of men, women (or at least ‘ones I want to sleep with’) are a ‘problem’ and it’s so tempting to break down and dehumanize ‘problems’.

Women tern into feminists, because of lesbian gulls.

The people who tend to throw around “fat”, “ugly”, “unbangable”, etc, when it comes to feminists I find are the most shallow people ever. Even more shallow than they claim women to be.

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What we should do is ask why that should make any point we make suddenly null and void. Why does us not being boner-pleasing suddenly make us not worth listening to? Or, better yet, why does being not boner-pleasing suddenly make people not want to listen?

Also, the definition of “boner-pleasing” is similarly shallow. Speaking from some experience, I tend to find that women who are intelligent and witty also tend to be rather good in bed, regardless of whether they have a classically “boner-pleasing” figure. Not just because they’re good at the mechanics, but also because they’re fun to be with.

In fact, probably the most stereotypically “boner-pleasing” girlfriend I’ve ever had in the visual sense was also someone who routinely terrified the men that she worked with, because she knew exactly what they were thinking whenever they looked at her and could consequently wrap them round her little finger any time she felt like it. (She was a damn sight brighter than most of them too, which also helped.)

Today was one of those days when everybody seems pregnant. I went out to the mall and a few other stores and I saw probably 20 pregnant women.

Anyway, I also saw two young dudes stalking two girls, to the point where the girls had to seek out the store’s staff to say they were being followed. When the guys were confronted, their only response was basically “lololol we weren’t doing anything lololololol”. I’m so pissed. They’re literally making other people fear for their safety, and for what? Just for laughs?

@dhag – you’re right. My wife’s uncle (likeable guy sometimes, and funny, but with a bad attitude towards women) has impossibly high standards for any girlfriend’s appearance, while being no oil painting himself. He recently told my wife that his nephew had once hooked up with an ugly girl, and he’d told him to ‘put her back’. I hope these kind of attitudes aren’t that widespread. I’ve noticed that a lot of Manosphere sites have a real hatred towards fat women – a lot of this seems to be rooted in a fear that sleeping with an overweight woman is a badge of inferiority and something no one would do if they had better options. I’ve seen this perpetuated in shows like Homeland – traumatized black ops guy Quinn gets drunk and sleeps with his (fat) hotel manager, and though he defends her against assholes (by beating them to a pulp), there’s still a strong message that she is just the human equivalent of the empty bottles he keeps piling up.

I love how they call women “boring” and “uninteresting” and “inferior”, then spend hours online obsessing over them and strategizing ways to get their attention.

@Paradoxical Intention:
Yes, I thought about that as well afterward. (Reasons why not to post at midnight just before going to bed: lying in bed for half an hour thinking about ways you really should have said that better. Sometimes I need to try and knock out my inner editor.) You’re right that physical beauty is not something that should be used as a measuring stick for this anyway. Sometimes it’s just hard not to just jump to the most blatant counter-example to their thinking, even when it’s obvious that they really aren’t thinking deeply about it enough to care. Even when you know that the only likely response will be the quiet squeaking of wheels as the goalposts get pushed further down the field.

There’s an old joke about a donkey that ends with ‘Well, yes, but you have to get its attention first.’ Sometimes I wonder if some of these people have buried themselves so deep in their bubble specifically to prevent anybody outside from actually getting their attention.

One X chromosome from their father and one from their mother I mean.

Wooooow, how screwed up in the head of you have to be to write this kind of garbage, even more so insecure and…well…just plain ignorant. I mean, what dimension did this guy come from? Dare I say man, because as a man I feel like it’s tarnishing the word if I use it on him. Either way, I find it rather fascinating how his writing answers his own question – Yes, it IS just you. Since no respectful, decent human being would agree with the sexist, mysoginistic, idiocy in these writings. Also, I find it quite hard to find someone THIS insecure in their masculinity. Seriously, he needs to see a psychiatrist or something.