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What happened when A Voice for Men’s News Director tried to publish an anti-Cosby post on that terrible site

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all true, you piece of shit.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s all true, you piece of shit.

A Voice for Men, the World’s Greatest Grandpa of Men’s Rights sites, prides itself on the intellectual and political diversity of its writers.

The site has published articles by Holocaust-denying marital-rape advocates — and from dudes who think that the Holocaust happened and that marital rape shouldn’t happen. It has published articles lauding the rape legalization proponent and “pickup artist” Roosh V as a deep thinker” deserving nothing but respect — and articles denouncing him and other PUAs as excessively chivalrous flatterers engaging in “a scripted game of women-worship.” AVFM publishes articles attacking “bitches” alongside articles dissing “whores.”

What they won’t publish? Articles suggesting that Bill Cosby probably is guilty of some or all of the rapes he’s been accused of.

So far, AVFM has published 8 posts on Cosby, including a lovely little essay from site founder Paul Elam suggesting that his accusers are nothing more than “a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers.”

But when AVFM’s recently appointed News Director Ty Henry wrote a post arguing that Cosby “should receive no safe harbor in the MHRM [Men’s Huan Rights Movement],” well, the powers that be told him to take a hike, rejecting his post and ultimately firing him from AVFM.

The only reason I know about any of this is that AVFM’s suspended-on-Twitter “social media director” Janet “JudgyBitch” Bloomfield agreed to post it on her blog instead, explaining that

This article caused some controversy in the AVfM pool, with some strongly feeling it should be run and some strongly feeling it shouldn’t. In the interests of making sure no one feels their voice is quashed, I offered to run the controversial piece. I don’t necessarily agree with Ty Henry, the author, but since I have different editorial standards (some might say none) than AVfM, I’m running the piece to allow people to satisfy their curiosity.

So what exactly were the heretical thoughts that apparently got Henry’s piece banished from AVFM?

Well, for one thing, like most sensible people, Henry thinks Cosby is almost certainly guilty:

Considering his settlement in 2006, and recent disclosures, it’s pretty clear Bill Cosby likely violated the foregoing sovereignty of at least two women, the evidence his very own tongue. He’s also likely guilty of assaulting at least some of the women who have come forward, both in recent years, and going back to the 70s. Based on the totality of circumstances, to believe otherwise is to make his innocence an article of faith.

But perhaps even more galling for the AVFMistas, Henry bluntly points out the hypocrisy of those MRAs who loudly declare “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” every time a man is accused of rape, while offering no similar “due process” to women accusing men of rape.

The due process clause protects Cosby from the randomness of mob-justice fueled prosecution, as it should. I’m not here to advocate for ad-hoc suspension of the Criminal Rules of Evidence or Statutes of Limitations. It does not, however, shield him or his acts from the ruthless glare of critical inquiry.

A little pretentiously put, but possibly the most sensible thing I’ve ever heard an MRA say.

Henry continues, noting one case (of many) in which AVFMers have been happy to forget about that whole “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” thing:

[C]onsider this; Emma Sulkowicz has not been charged with, nor sued for, false accusations. So why do these pages label her such, including our venerable CEO? Reasonable inferences based on statements, facts and evidence in the public square, that’s why.

Well, I didn’t say that everything Henry had to say was perfect.

After detailing some of the many reasons we have to believe that Cosby is indeed guilty, Henry argues that even though Cosby will almost certainly not spend even a day in prison, he fully deserves having his reputation wrecked in the court of public opinion.

Bill Cosby is unlikely to serve jail time for his transgressions. Such is the nature of due process, as statutes of limitations have run, and with forensic evidence having long since dissolved, most of these cases would be dismissed at trial anyway. That should have no bearing, however, on his legacy henceforth.
His hypocrisy and repugnant violations of the rights of women is now the dominant feature of that legacy, and should these women secure some financial redress , that is more than he deserves for both his behavior and his casual, yet malignant, insouciance in the face of their years of suffering. For that, he should receive no safe harbor in the MHRM.
In a remarkable postscript to his post, Henry notes that he actually sort-of knew one of Cosby’s accusers, Andrea Constand, from her college basketball days, and that this makes him even more sure that she is telling the truth.
I’m on the record now saying her courage in coming forward, unsealing painful memories to help others clear their besmirched names, makes me even prouder to be an Arizona Wildcat. I stand with Andrea, even if I must stand alone on these pages.
 And that’s the news AVFM deems unfit to print … though not if you believe Paul Elam, Henry’s ex-boss at AVFM.In the comments on JudgyBitch’s blog, Elam claims Henry’s published post is different from the one he tried to get published at AVFM.

His original piece included the term “Bill Cosby is a serial rapist,..” a flat declaration of guilt. That was the precise reason why the piece was rejected. He was also offered the opportunity to retool the piece, sans the declaration of guilt, which we would have been more likely to run.
Given Elam’s not-exactly stellar track record with the truth, I’m not sure I buy any of this. Even if Henry’s original post did contain the phrase “Bill Cosby is a serial rapist,” AVFM makes “flat declarations of guilt” and all sorts of categorical (and categorically false) statements about feminists all the time; I’ve lost track of how often they’ve libelled me. So the idea that Elam was protecting AVFM’s editorial integrity is laughable at best; AVFM has no editorial integrity.We’ll just have to see how this develops, won’t we?

Who will be the next to jump (or get shoved) off the bad ship A Voice for Men?

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katz
9 years ago

The AVFM pool: Not a pool someone puked in so much as a pool that exists for the purpose of being puked in.

nightmarelyre
9 years ago

Well, good to see some of them are starting to realize that maaaaaaybe it’s not about actual rights for men as much as just being terrible. Could be a (incredibly super mini small) step in the right direction if we are lucky

Regarding the Sarkeesian Effect screening, anybody else hope they pull a Insane Clown Possee and it turns out everything was a scam to turn their audiences heart to Jesus (or in this case, perhaps feminism) and they supposedly only did all the hateful stuff to get their attention? Would be amusing

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@nightmarelyre

Is…is that what those guys are about?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
9 years ago

@indifferentsky

Wonder when this is going to be on you tube… it’s a free documentary right?

Good question. They talked about DVDs and releasing it in movie theatres (HA!) so maybe the objective is profit.

nightmarelyre
9 years ago

@Pandapool, yep from what I have heard they have a series of 6 “concept” albums, and at the end of the last one they reveal they were trying to turn their fans to Christ all along and they only made all the songs about murder and being a terrible person to grab their fan’s attention so they could later convert them with this final song (somehow)

…And then they went right back to rap about murder and being terrible people on the next album, which I hope won’t happen in this case if it indeed turns out they are pulling a Insane Clown Posse against all odds

The (somewhat problematic) Diamanda Hagan and Rap Critic did a crossover video review of two of their albums which is where I found out about all this. It’s… quite the something

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago
banned@4chan.org
9 years ago

Seriously? As in, their explanation that they were trying to evangelize their audience wasn’t a Kaufman-esque joke?

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

The AVFM pool: Not a pool someone puked in so much as a pool that exists for the purpose of being puked in.

Or peed and pooped in.

nightmarelyre
9 years ago

They seem to claim they did it completely seriously from what I can see. I was wrong about painting them as Christian though, they seem to not specify their faith, only that “they want people to turn to God and go to heaven” and refuse to call themselves a Christian band

nightmarelyre
9 years ago

Anyways, sorry for sorta derailing the thread there, I will now shut up about my fascination with bizzare so-bad-they-are-good bands

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

@nightmarelyre

Ten bucks says they were trying to pull an MRA-esque “Saaatiiire!” accountability dodge.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

“So-bad-they-are-good bands”?

That…might be stretching it a wee bit.

I’m sure they just did it as a PR stunt and shit, anyway.

painteyelash
painteyelash
9 years ago

Janet Bloomfield: “I offered to run the controversial piece.”

Wha..What’s controversial about the piece she would run on her blog?

Kat
Kat
9 years ago

I’m stunned to read anything approaching reasonable from the MRM. That’s why AVFM had to ban it. And fire the guy.

And why would Ty Henry write that Cosby is a serial rapist and refuse to change a word for AVFM but tone down his message for Janet Bloomfield’s blog? Oh yeah, must be Paul Elam’s “not-exactly stellar track record with the truth.”

Also stunning: the fact that Ty Henry thought that AVFM would actually print his article. As we say around my house when confronted with naivete, “Oh, young tourist from Buffalo.”

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
9 years ago

@Kat, It works into my theory that more conservatively-minded folk are good at sympathy but bad at empathy. Ty knows the victim in this case and his personal relationship with her makes it hard for him to just write her off.

Here’s is hoping this firing is a moment of self-awareness and reflection for him.

Jo
Jo
9 years ago

Typo in article – ‘huan’.

Kat
Kat
9 years ago

@opium4themasses: I think you’re right about conservatives often being better at sympathy than empathy. I hadn’t thought of it quite that way before. And yes! I also hope that this AVFM writer takes some time to reflect on his experience with the MRM.

chaltab
chaltab
9 years ago

@Jo

It wasn’t a typo, didn’t you know, AVFM only advocates for Men’s Rights in the Chinese county of Huan in the Gansu province.

Everywhere else in the world they’re just about hating women.

Robjec
Robjec
9 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention
off topic but I wanted to say I saw your comments on an article about how gg treats all of video game journalism as one being but refuses to take responsibility for its members but I didn’t have a word press so I couldn’t.

Now back on topic. Yay someone had a brief moment of clarity and may realize just how off their viewpoint is and which group is really trying to repress their rights. Hopefully :p

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
9 years ago

This article gives a tiny ray of hope that not all the people at AVFM are disgusting hardline rapist advocates, but it makes me wonder why Ty Henry was looking to publish on AVFM in the first place, given their anti-woman, anti-rape victim stance. Was he really naive enough to think there were any moderate editorial opinions there? Then again, I’m surprised JB published it herself. Maybe just because she has to throw herself onto anything that can be described as “controversial”.
It’s kind of the opposite of good PR to publish an article that AVFM didn’t want to publish and then draw attention to the fact they didn’t want to publish it. If Elam actually knew how PR works, he’d have chucked JB out of the gang aaaages ago.
I’m reminded of whichever commenter here said that unsophisticated people think they can outsmart others with transparent lies, because they themselves are easily fooled. They described Elam to a T.

Don’t want to derail the thread too much, but this week in dangerous entitlement:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/liam-lyburd-found-guilty-plotting-9759706
A kid thinks he can get accepted to college, behave disruptively, skip classes, and then be justified in using pipe bombs, CS gas, and fucking hollowpoint rounds to murder everyone (and his mum). This is absolutely terrifying.

AltoFronto
AltoFronto
9 years ago

*he planned to murder them because the college quite rightly flunked him off the course.

sn0rkmaiden
9 years ago

@altofronto,

I vaguely remember this when he was first arrested, this is scary.

Thing is, in Britain it took him a lot longer to build up his arsenal because it’s so much harder to buy a gun.

sn0rkmaiden
9 years ago

On a lighter note, The Sarkeesian Effect premiered last night. Just going by their twitter feeds, Owen reckons it was a great success, while Aurini maintains it was a disaster.

Moggie
Moggie
9 years ago

Ugh, medical reports haven’t yet been done in the Liam Lyburd case, but that doesn’t stop that newspaper report calling him “disturbed” in the second paragraph. Most people will take that to mean he’s mentally ill. Would it hurt them to wait for a diagnosis?

davidknewton
davidknewton
9 years ago

Agh… here I was thinking that “disturbed” was a surprisingly okay term for a newspaper to use, choosing it over “deranged” or outright declaring him mentally ill or whatever. But I won’t argue.