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What happened when A Voice for Men’s News Director tried to publish an anti-Cosby post on that terrible site

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's all true, you piece of shit.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s all true, you piece of shit.

A Voice for Men, the World’s Greatest Grandpa of Men’s Rights sites, prides itself on the intellectual and political diversity of its writers.

The site has published articles by Holocaust-denying marital-rape advocates — and from dudes who think that the Holocaust happened and that marital rape shouldn’t happen. It has published articles lauding the rape legalization proponent and “pickup artist” Roosh V as a deep thinker” deserving nothing but respect — and articles denouncing him and other PUAs as excessively chivalrous flatterers engaging in “a scripted game of women-worship.” AVFM publishes articles attacking “bitches” alongside articles dissing “whores.”

What they won’t publish? Articles suggesting that Bill Cosby probably is guilty of some or all of the rapes he’s been accused of.

So far, AVFM has published 8 posts on Cosby, including a lovely little essay from site founder Paul Elam suggesting that his accusers are nothing more than “a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers.”

But when AVFM’s recently appointed News Director Ty Henry wrote a post arguing that Cosby “should receive no safe harbor in the MHRM [Men’s Huan Rights Movement],” well, the powers that be told him to take a hike, rejecting his post and ultimately firing him from AVFM.

The only reason I know about any of this is that AVFM’s suspended-on-Twitter “social media director” Janet “JudgyBitch” Bloomfield agreed to post it on her blog instead, explaining that

This article caused some controversy in the AVfM pool, with some strongly feeling it should be run and some strongly feeling it shouldn’t. In the interests of making sure no one feels their voice is quashed, I offered to run the controversial piece. I don’t necessarily agree with Ty Henry, the author, but since I have different editorial standards (some might say none) than AVfM, I’m running the piece to allow people to satisfy their curiosity.

So what exactly were the heretical thoughts that apparently got Henry’s piece banished from AVFM?

Well, for one thing, like most sensible people, Henry thinks Cosby is almost certainly guilty:

Considering his settlement in 2006, and recent disclosures, it’s pretty clear Bill Cosby likely violated the foregoing sovereignty of at least two women, the evidence his very own tongue. He’s also likely guilty of assaulting at least some of the women who have come forward, both in recent years, and going back to the 70s. Based on the totality of circumstances, to believe otherwise is to make his innocence an article of faith.

But perhaps even more galling for the AVFMistas, Henry bluntly points out the hypocrisy of those MRAs who loudly declare “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” every time a man is accused of rape, while offering no similar “due process” to women accusing men of rape.

The due process clause protects Cosby from the randomness of mob-justice fueled prosecution, as it should. I’m not here to advocate for ad-hoc suspension of the Criminal Rules of Evidence or Statutes of Limitations. It does not, however, shield him or his acts from the ruthless glare of critical inquiry.

A little pretentiously put, but possibly the most sensible thing I’ve ever heard an MRA say.

Henry continues, noting one case (of many) in which AVFMers have been happy to forget about that whole “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” thing:

[C]onsider this; Emma Sulkowicz has not been charged with, nor sued for, false accusations. So why do these pages label her such, including our venerable CEO? Reasonable inferences based on statements, facts and evidence in the public square, that’s why.

Well, I didn’t say that everything Henry had to say was perfect.

After detailing some of the many reasons we have to believe that Cosby is indeed guilty, Henry argues that even though Cosby will almost certainly not spend even a day in prison, he fully deserves having his reputation wrecked in the court of public opinion.

Bill Cosby is unlikely to serve jail time for his transgressions. Such is the nature of due process, as statutes of limitations have run, and with forensic evidence having long since dissolved, most of these cases would be dismissed at trial anyway. That should have no bearing, however, on his legacy henceforth.
His hypocrisy and repugnant violations of the rights of women is now the dominant feature of that legacy, and should these women secure some financial redress , that is more than he deserves for both his behavior and his casual, yet malignant, insouciance in the face of their years of suffering. For that, he should receive no safe harbor in the MHRM.
In a remarkable postscript to his post, Henry notes that he actually sort-of knew one of Cosby’s accusers, Andrea Constand, from her college basketball days, and that this makes him even more sure that she is telling the truth.
I’m on the record now saying her courage in coming forward, unsealing painful memories to help others clear their besmirched names, makes me even prouder to be an Arizona Wildcat. I stand with Andrea, even if I must stand alone on these pages.
 And that’s the news AVFM deems unfit to print … though not if you believe Paul Elam, Henry’s ex-boss at AVFM.In the comments on JudgyBitch’s blog, Elam claims Henry’s published post is different from the one he tried to get published at AVFM.

His original piece included the term “Bill Cosby is a serial rapist,..” a flat declaration of guilt. That was the precise reason why the piece was rejected. He was also offered the opportunity to retool the piece, sans the declaration of guilt, which we would have been more likely to run.
Given Elam’s not-exactly stellar track record with the truth, I’m not sure I buy any of this. Even if Henry’s original post did contain the phrase “Bill Cosby is a serial rapist,” AVFM makes “flat declarations of guilt” and all sorts of categorical (and categorically false) statements about feminists all the time; I’ve lost track of how often they’ve libelled me. So the idea that Elam was protecting AVFM’s editorial integrity is laughable at best; AVFM has no editorial integrity.We’ll just have to see how this develops, won’t we?

Who will be the next to jump (or get shoved) off the bad ship A Voice for Men?

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spacelawn
9 years ago

It’s actually about ethics in AVFM journalism.

childrenofthebroccoli
9 years ago

Oh, so they won’t publish an article accusing Cosby of rape, but they will publish an article calling the accusers lying, drug seeking (slur redacted)? That’s some major ethics in journalism, right there.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

All it takes for some manospherian to understand that not all women don’t fling false rape accusation is to actually know a woman who is accusing someone of rape.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

[C]onsider this; Emma Sulkowicz has not been charged with, nor sued for, false accusations. So why do these pages label her such, including our venerable CEO? Reasonable inferences based on statements, facts and evidence in the public square, that’s why.

“Reasonable”???

I do not think that word means what MRAs think it means.

freemage
9 years ago

This article caused some controversy in the AVfM pool,

“The AVfM pool,”

And with one phrase, the image of the worst summer hang-out spot imaginable was burned forever into my brain.

Bina
Bina
9 years ago

The AVFM Pool. Don’t forget your goggles, and don’t open your mouth when you swim in it. Also, don’t forget the decontamination shower afterwards.

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

I’ll be damned. Someone said something (kind of) reasonable over at AVfM. Too bad Elam’s not having any of it, and it looks like he’s trying to lie to cover his ass.

sn0rkmaiden
9 years ago

Props to JB, for once. Though going against the Grand Poobah Elam by publishing an article he rejected might mean she’ll be the next domino to fall?

Philip Rose
Philip Rose
9 years ago

” but since I have different editorial standards (some might say none) ”

Someone who could say casually that they’re considered to have no standards as an editor is no editor worth respecting. I wouldn’t give her kudos for publishing the piece based on her admission.

I’m wondering if she recognized the writing is on the wall and AVFM’s days are numbered, so she’s trying to build a reputation of her own separate from that entity.

David, you left out that one of their (former) writers is an AIDS-HIV denialist conspiracy theorist as well, or did you forget Esmay’s early work?

indifferentsky
9 years ago

Another member soon to leave? More schism in the movement? Stay tuned, same bat time , same bat channel.

sn0rkmaiden
9 years ago

@Philip Rose,

fair point, but I think JB was showing a little false modesty there.

I’ve just read the article, and made the mistake of reading the comments. Funny how they’re obsessed with due process, unless it’s a question of attacking women. And if they are so hung up on due process, why does Elam (and many of his flying monkeys) maintain that they would always move to acquit in a rape trial, regardless of the evidence?

So. Much. Horrid.

In other news, I’m not sure about the time zones, but isn’t the premier of The Sarkeesian Effect today? I can’t wait for the fallout from that.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
9 years ago

@snork
Unsure about that. She herself hasn’t directly violated the party line…and I think they’re still holding her in high regard for trying to sue Calgary Expo.

Speaking of which, does anyone know how that laughable lawsuit is going? They found a lawyer but did they find a judge willing to take on the case? (I highly doubt it).

Paradoxical Intention
9 years ago

@sunny:

Wasn’t that the Honey Badgers, and not JB?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
9 years ago

@ Sunny

Well, technically you can issue any lawsuit you like and some judge has to take at least a cursory glance at it even if just to strike it out before it goes any further.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

His original piece included the term “Bill Cosby is a serial rapist,..” a flat declaration of guilt.

Yes, how dare an AVFM writer tell the truth. That goes against everything the Men’s Human Rights Bowel Movement stands for, damnit!

leftwingfox
9 years ago

His original piece included the term “Bill Cosby is a serial rapist,..” a flat declaration of guilt.

So… had he written “Bill Cosby is probably a serial rapist.” or “is likely a serial rapist.”, then it would have been fine, right? :rolleyes:

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
9 years ago

It’s lovely to see AVFM headed for oblivion.

JB: ”but since I have different editorial standards (some might say none)”

Heh!

The Sarkeesian Effect is being shown at midnight, Eastern time.
https://twitter.com/jordanowen42/status/618653431163678720

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

Eleven dollars? In my city it’s about that much for IMAX!

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@WWTH

It IS in IMAX. How else are you suppose to see all the pixelated graphics?

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

I hope it’s not in 3D too. The skull would be just TOO AWESOME AND TOO ALPHA.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
9 years ago

NEW LEAKED SARKEESIAN EFFECT FOOTAGE!

berdache from a previous life

Just called the Midtown Art Cinema and a showtime for The Sarkeesian Effect is not listed for some reason.

I wonder how many more people would have to leave AVFM before it collapsed? I wonder if we’ll find out shortly?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

Just called the Midtown Art Cinema and a showtime for The Sarkeesian Effect is not listed for some reason.

But they are showing Trainwreck tonight at 11:45. Maybe someone’s wires were crossed?

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
9 years ago

I really wish a mole was there to report back on the *cough* documentary and audience response.

https://twitter.com/jordanowen42/status/625839165113024512

indifferentsky
9 years ago

Dude! Wonder when this is going to be on you tube… it’s a free documentary right?

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