Earlier this month, A Voice for Men published a post by its founder, the reliably odious Paul Elam, with the lovely title
Bill Cosby’s victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers?
In it, Elam suggested that Cosby’s 46 (so far) accusers were nothing “a bunch of greedy women who commoditized their bodies like groupies” in order to get drugs from the comedian, indulging in an age-old transactional sort of sex that Elam referred to, with his customary delicacy, as “gash for stash.”
I didn’t think AVFM’s ongoing, er, coverage of Cosby could get any more ludicrous than that. Then yesterday a post by Jonathan David Farley appeared on the site with the headline:
Cosby deposition shows he loves women and women love him─and the liberal media hates it!
As it turns out, Farley spends little time meditating on Cosby’s peculiar version of “love.” The bulk of the post instead offers a highly selective “reading” of Cosby’s deposition to prove that the “liberal media” is lying about Cosby:
[A]t no point in the purported deposition transcript does Bill Cosby admit to drugging women in order to rape them. But a dying newspaper industry seeking easy clicks can hide behind the fig leaf of Fallwell v. Flynt─newspapers can basically lie about public figures with impunity─rather than present confirmed facts.
Naturally, this being AVFM, the post offers no evidence whatsoever that the “liberal media” is lying.
It’s just a teensy bit hypocritical to attack the media for allegedly not “present[ing] confirmed facts” when you present none yourself.
Farley starts off his post with this claim:
The media is breathlessly reporting that “Bill Cosby Admitted To Drugging Women In 2005 Deposition,” the implication being that he gave women drugs without their knowledge to knock them unconscious and then have relations with them.
Farley’s evidence for this assertion? He provides none.
Which makes a certain kind of sense, because that’s not what the media has reported, “breathlessly” or otherwise. Sure, a few careless headlines did in fact declare that Cosby had admitted to giving women (plural) drugs and having sex with them.
But most serious media outlets were in fact quite careful about getting the details exactly right, reporting that Cosby had admitted only to procuring drugs with the intention of giving them to women, and that he had only explicitly admitted to giving the drugs to one woman.
Here are the top ten results you get when you search Google for the phrase “Cosby admitted.”
As you can see, all but one of the headlines, from an assortment of major media outlets including the BBC and the Washington Post, report what is in the deposition exactly. The only outlet to declare, incorrectly, that Cosby had admitted to drugging women — plural — was Fox News, not exactly a bastion of the “liberal media.”
That said, it’s certainly true that plenty of people believe that Cosby actually gave women the drugs he got in order to give them to women.
Hell, even Farley’s boss at AVFM, the aforementioned Paul Elam, thinks so, writing in his post last month that Cosby had “probably” used “his fame, fortune and pharmaceuticals to grease the wheels of his sex life?”
Farley also tries to insinuate that the deposition itself is somehow unreliable.
Question the source: the document was created by one of Bill Cosby’s accusers. It makes far-from-objective statements like “[Bill Cosby’s] testimony become [sic] more and more unbelievable” (page 20).
While the document that Farley points to was prepared by a lawyer for one of Cosby’s accusers, not even Cosby’s lawyers are suggesting that the extensive excerpts from Cosby’s deposition that appear in it are distorted or fabricated. While his lawyers aren’t happy about any portion of Cosby’s deposition being made public, they don’t deny that Cosby said what he said.
Ironically, Farley himself blatantly misrepresents what’s in the deposition:
The anti-Cosby articles insist that none of the accusers are in it for the money, but the deposition reveals how false this is: The hostile lawyer asks, “Mr. Cosby, did you believe that T—— P—– would go to the press with her story when you sent her the money?”
There is zero evidence in the deposition that any women demanded money from Cosby, though there’s no question that he sent money to some.
In the deposition, Cosby admitted that he’d offered money to the plaintiff in the case. But he explicitly denied that she or her mother had demanded hush money from him — or that he’d ever claimed that. As the defense attorneys summarized what he said:
Defendant testified that even though both Plaintiff and her mother told him that all they wanted was an apology, he called Plaintiff’s home and spoke to her mother to offer money for Plaintiff’s “education.”
And here it is in Cosby’s own words. Or, rather word.
Q. So, you did not believe that [name redacted by DF] or her mother wanted money from you at the time they made the phone calls to you?
A. No.
While nothing in Cosby’s deposition proves that he’s a woman-drugging serial rapist, it certainly seems to back up a good number of the allegations made against him, and at the very least reveals him to be a sleazy adulterous creep.
But the main conclusion that Farley draws from it all is … this:
The old saying is still true: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Clearly, Farley has a much bigger problem with the facts — not to mention reality itself — than the “liberal media” he’s criticizing.
And an even more screwed-up definition of “love.”
AVfM – Quaaludes Are Just Another Way of Saying ‘I Love You’
Which gives me the idea of a new line of MRA Valentines.
Now, Elam said he’d be happy to start condemning Cosby if some definitive proof came along (ruling out all those testimonies made by women because all women are liars). But I don’t see Elam changing his tune, guess it isn’t definitive enough for him yet.
“Vaalentines”?
@sn0rkmaiden
You know Elam, 46 women (and possibly more) aren’t equal to the word of one cishet white man who agrees with him and his worldviews.
Facts, schmacts. Reading comprehension–er, schmeading schcomprehension. The important thing here is that Farley has somehow valiently managed to manufacture confirmation for his totally unbiased perspective: ANOTHER INNOCENT WOMAN LOVING MAN BESET BY LYING GOLDDIGGING DRUG-SEEKING HARPIES!
The title of Farley’s post reminds me of those ads for things like “One weird trick that saves middle aged mom from wrinkles! Dermatologists HATE her!”
Dear god, that picture is the stuff of nightmares…
@PI,
true, true. This is the man who proudly states he’d always vote to acquit a rapist, no matter how strong the evidence. Yeah, cos that would really make the world a better place.
Everyone knows that rapists never lie or omit the truth. Therefore, if someone doesn’t say they’re a rapist, they can’t possibly be one.
Of course, even if rapists do admit to being rapists, like Rhoosh, they still aren’t rapists. Because reasons.
I remember that book, actually.
For those not familiar with it, Bill Cosby (officially) wrote a series of four books in the late 1980s: Fatherhood, Time Flies, Love and Marriage, and Childhood. (According to Wikipedia, at least the first two were largely ghost-written by uncredited co-writer Ralph Schoenstein.) I bought the first one as a gift for my father, and I think the second one; by the third one I was going ‘yeah, this is looking like a ridiculous cash grab’ and didn’t bother.
So there is just literally no scenario in which they will admit that a man raped a woman.
A woman makes an accusation – she’s lying!
A man basically admits it – he just *really* loves beautiful women and they love him back!
Cctv records rape – umm, she probably led him on or something?
Bill Cosby loves women under the influence of Quaaludes, and women under the influence of Quaaludes are too addled to stop him from “loving” them.
FTFH
Test post because my comment keeps disappearing as soon as I hit post in another thread.
Thank you for deconstructing this insane article, I was hoping you would. I saw it yesterday on avfm and my jaw just hit the ground. As bad as they are, this was even worse than usual. I had to just close my browser so I wouldn’t comment, even though I know it’s pointless to do so.
I don’t want to go back into the filth and read it again, but didn’t he refer to him as Dr. Huxtable? Hello?! J f’n Christ.
So it looks like the comment policy wasn’t mentioned on the post, but using the word insane to describe people being an asshole isn’t kosher here. I am on my phone and links are hard. Check out some of the earlier posts have a link to the policy.
I don’t mean it as an attack, I know the larger culture uses crazy, insane, and other words about mental illness to describe assholery. Just check out the policy.
I have seen AVFMers, including Elam I think, base a “she’s lying” conclusion on nothing more than “he said he didn’t do it.” (I think this was referring to a campus rape story).
“That CCTV footage was taken out of context!”
Ugh. So this guy is going along with the idea (suggested by Cosby and parroted, with a bit of extra misogyny thrown in, by Elam) that the women accusing him freely accepted the pills and were expecting sex? In the New York Times article linked here last week, multiple women said he lied about the sedatives, calling them “headache pills” in one case, or that he just spiked their drinks/got them drunk. And before he groped, assaulted, or raped them, many of them weren’t even thinking he wanted anything sexual. He deliberately preyed on women who were looking up to him as a mentor or someone who could get them into show biz. So… just nope.
Yeah, the implication being…! Because even if it’s not directly in the statement, it’s in multiple people’s testimonies. Does putting two and two together and getting four mean Evil Misandric Liberal Media all of a sudden??
This pretty much sums up why I can’t support the MRA’s, you have Cosby himself saying that he gave women drugs to make them more open to sex, and AVFM somehow finds a way to blame the women.
NicolaLuna – I suspect they’d admit (under duress) that the archetypical situation of a sweet, sixteen-year-old, blue-eyed, pale-skinned, blonde, virgin girl from a good upper-middle-class family, who gets accosted on her way home from church of a Sunday morning by a deranged, escaped black prisoner (still in prison gear, strait jacket, and with a ball-and-chain attached to one ankle) and dragged into a dark alley where she is forcibly beaten and penetrated, before her attacker is arrested by a uniformed police officer who happened to see the whole thing happening from across the street, might possibly be rape. But the more the story deviates from this platonic ideal, the less likely it is to be rape.
I trust that that’s not the only reason why you can’t support them. Personally, I can think of a few gazillion others.
In all tragic seriousness, drugging unsuspecting women in order to have sex with them is very redpillian. I know the non-redpillian folks’ jaws drop when they read such views and assume it must be hyperbole or provocative satire or something such.
It is not. This idea of ‘love,’ like everything else that comes out of their mouths, reflects these fellas’ real views (and their level of development).
Sorry, I inadvertently violated the comments policy. Thank you for pointing it out.
@Michael Shur
You’ll do better.