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Dean Esmay quits A Voice for Men in what he seems to kind of want us to think is an amicable split

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In the wee hours of the morning, this morning, there was a great disturbance on the Internet, as if millions of shitposters suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. For about ten seconds.

What had happened? This:

https://twitter.com/deanesmay/status/623796900903432192

Huh. That’s interesting.

But I’m not exactly stunned to hear that another Men’s Rightser has had what looks like a big falling out with the rather temperamental Paul Elam. Or perhaps that Elam has had a falling out with him?

Oh, sorry, I’m being told that Esmay is quitting “to look after his health” and to “take his activism in a different direction.”

That’s A Voice for Men’s explanation, anyway.

Esmay own explanation, which he posted in a Twitlonger shortly after his announcement, also mentions the health thing:

I am taking some time off, looking after my long-neglected health, and relaxing with family and friends.

But he also notes, a little enigmatically,

Unless there is some serious issue of life and limb that requires grand drama, it’s never a good idea to air philosophical and personal conflicts publicly.

I have quit A Voice for Men because it was time to move on. That is all. I am on speaking terms with everybody.

It seems as though Esmay is, for once, trying to be diplomatic. But he doesn’t seem very good at it. “On speaking terms” is not exactly what you’d call a ringing endorsement of the Cult of Elam, which had utterly consumed Esmay’s life for a number of years.

Esmay promises that

I will also continue to be a shit-stirrer, but now, as a civilian. At least until I find my next home. 🙂

So with that, I would like to introduce We Hunted the Mammoth’s new Chief Operating Officer, Dean Esmay!

Just kidding. We Hunted the Mammoth’s chief operating officer is the one on the right here:

My pussy supply.
Smooth Operating Officer.

I look forward to the inevitable meltdown of the facade of amicability between Esmay and his former boss.

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weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’ve noticed a racial component to the men who are perceived as able to get away with pink shirts thing. Black men tend to be able to wear them without being thought of as girly or gay. I think it’s probably because of the stereotypes about black men being tough, athletic, and possibly dangerous.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
5 years ago

@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

My favorite definition of the sexual revolution remains “You can get laid now, but the women are still doing the dishes.” Does anybody remember who said that? I came across it years ago, but I don’t know where.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

Humorously, I forgot what we were talking about but my podiatrist once commented that of course I wouldn’t wear a pink T-shirt, so on my next visit to her office I wore a pink T-shirt. I did cheat a bit — the shirt displayed a variety of insects which made it somewhat less girlie.
I do have a shocking pink women’s top with sequins that I wear sometimes on Halloween. Now that does get noticed.
But aren’t pink dress shirts considered OK for men? If you stand back and look at it from a space alien’s point of view, standard ideas of what’s masculine and what’s feminine can’t be pretty odd.

This conversation reminded me of this song from the hippie musical “Hair.” (Dogg, am I dating myself.)

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

Thank you, wwth! Much appreciated.

And here’s the bunny because lo prometido es deuda.

http://media.giphy.com/media/137tewcWQVfmve/giphy.gif

booburry
5 years ago

We got light pink work shirts added to the available colors last year. At first a lot of the guys were like “I’m never wearing pink!” but now I see half the guys here wearing them. 🙂

Misha
5 years ago

@Luzbelitx, I was just being hopeful 🙂 – I thought maybe you’d managed to get a video of your bunny at home (sans popcorn) and had somehow turned it into a gif. In which case I was going to ask you how this incredibleness was done.

… I’m not gonna lie, I just wanted to make multiple gifs of my face.

re: pink shirts, weren’t they a thing for a while? I think I remember pink shirts being a thing.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Slightly on topic: JB’s patreon is still up and running, and it now has four backers for 22 bucks.

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

Slightly on topic: JB’s patreon is still up and running, and it now has four backers for 22 bucks.

At this rate, she may eventually be able to afford a Nerf crossbow, which would probably be better for everyone involved.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

‘At this rate, she may eventually be able to afford a Nerf crossbow, which would probably be better for everyone involved.’

That’s better than flicking rubber bands at people, which is what she’s been doing verbally since she came on the scene.

Btw, did anyone see her recent post lauding Donald Trump as a prospective president? I think she identifies with his debating style. Thank goodness she won’t be able to vote in the U.S. elections.

Moggie
Moggie
5 years ago

So I guess Patreon are perfectly fine with people using their site to procure weapons for revenge fantasies?

Moggie
Moggie
5 years ago

I mean, that’s good to know. I’ve got some neighbours who ought to be looking at the wrong end of a trebuchet, but I might need some help with that.

talbotfish
talbotfish
5 years ago

Dean is a disgusting human being but i think in his mind had convinced him he was doing something worthwhile.(yes, it’s hard to imagine this but nontheless) He was I think used and worked like a dog, his pay Elam’s words..a currency in rapidly declining value.He seems to have been given JB’s old job on twitter as main hate spewing garden hose. But as Esmay isn’t a hyperactive sadistic sociopath, this demanding task was probably the straw that broke the camels back. JB won’t ever likely quit because frankly she just wants to watch the world burn.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

@Moggie,

a trebuchet? Now I want one. And some turrets on either side of my roof.

Or a shark invested moat? I wonder if I could start up a patreon to fund my building a moat? Might be tricky living in a terraced house though…

Luzbelitx
5 years ago

@Misha

Well, I never did an animated gif myself, but there must be plenty of tools fro creating them online.

I did a quick search and this one seems pretty simple to use (have’t tried it):
https://imgflip.com/gifgenerator

Good luck, and have fun with it!

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

“Slightly on topic: JB’s patreon is still up and running, and it now has four backers for 22 bucks.”

Is there an emoticon for a gleeful snicker.

Seriously, if she’s grubbing for a mere $800, things must be tough in MRAville.

If Paulie can charge $90 an hour for counseling, JB should be able to charge #t least half that as a hired twitter-hate-spewer — she’s actually qualified.

Falconer
5 years ago

This conversation reminded me of this song from the hippie musical “Hair.” (Dogg, am I dating myself.)

I know that album frontwards and backwards, even though it’s my parents’ generation.

Dora
Dora
5 years ago

I say this as a feminist. This is fucking stupid. There is nothing in Esmay’s tweet to indicate that something bad happened. Stop looking for drama. It’s uninteresting and it helps no one with regard to gender issues.

Orion
5 years ago

Oh, but there is, Dora. Key words: “A Voice for Men.” I’m not sure how familiar you are with that distinguished fellowship, but every time they are mentioned, assuming drama is a pretty good bet.