The MGTOWs on the GYOW forum are thinking about tomorrow, putting on their futurist hats and pondering what will happen when, as they think is inevitable, more and more men “take the red pill” and walk away from women to a new life of happiness and wonder in which they devote their days to grousing endlessly about the women they’ve walked away from.
There’s a little talk of apocalypse, and a quick mention of sexbots, but these fellas seem most worried about, well, taxes. Because naturally, big daddy government — under the control of evil feminists and manginas — will try to take a kind of revenge against Men Going Their Own Way by instituting a dreadful Bachelor Tax.
Octavian explains just how it’s all going to go down. First, “marriage will go the way of the mechanical typewriter.” Next, the taxman cometh.
[F]airly soon the governments of the world will get hip to the fact that the dudes who dont have women in their lives have a LOT of disposable income . If 80% of the dudes in society are unattached beta males with no kids and no wife, fairly soon someone’s gonna realize taxing those guys will pay for a lot of Mr Thundercock’s progeny. …
We’ll be served with a summons to present proof of gay marriage ,alimony expenses paid ,a court order for child support or a documented relationship with a female….or pay a 40% income tax until we do.The reason?
“All men should share the burden to pay for child support, because patriarchy.Whats more important-a kid or your classic 1965 Mustang restoration?”
At first to sell the “Bachelor Tax” theyll apply it to females as a gesture of “equal burden”, but that’ll be a non-binding price ceiling. They’ll find a beta to happily vouch for being in a relationship so she can dodge the taxman …
Meanwhile , we single dudes will be looking over our shoulders every time we use an ATM.Next floor in the elevator of decline after that is polyamory …
Want to dodge the 40% bachelor tax, Mister Bluepill? Go find a bored fat girl who’s willing to vouch for you to the IRS that you’re a taken man.Of course nothing is free in this world……and you’ll have to prove to Miss Fatso you have the commitment required to join her roster.
As for the alpha’s, itll be a lonely club-moving between harems means pissing off a few women. Itll be the lowest social category of public society; staying out of jail & poverty will mean fake ID’s and quick feet.Plate spinning for males will require CIA tradecraft to avoid imprisonment.
Unlike a lot of Manosphere prognosticators, Octavian isn’t secretly (or not-so-secretly) hoping for a grand collapse of civilization.
I hope we dont suffer a Big Collapse ; the only thing worse then living in a matriarchy is wandering a post-industrial disaster filled with desperate bluepill males ,ruthless whores ,and easy accessed personal weapons with no law or order.You think guys are thirsty simps NOW….just wait until a society of feminized she-dudes have to figure out how to live without Amazon Prime and extended warranties.
Insidious_Sid, meanwhile, thinks that the Bachelor Tax will just be the beginning.
There will be a tax war. Men saying “fuck it” will continue to be taxed more and more to pay for more and more bastard alpha babies. Governments will continue to create more insidious ways of getting men to pay for children that are not theirs.
And, oh yeah, after all this? The apocalypse.
Economies will crumble – women are actually waiting for this. They believe in the lies of the feminist utopia, where the rich white men at the top of the towers fall to their deaths, the towers topple and gold spills into the streets for everyone to plunder. They have no real knowledge of what the real repercussions of this will be – they think it will be handsome alphas fucking all the women while betas toil in the mines and obediently pay their taxes.
That’s not what is going to happen. Before it’s all over they will say “Oh no, what have we done?!”
These cries will fall on deaf ears.
Oh, and there will be sexbot taxes as well. According to Abdenour,
Technologically, there will be sex robots. One question is, what legislation feminist, manginas and white knights will pass in the West to make land whales more competitive with robots. Maybe some sex robot 1,000% tax to provide income for single land whales and their thug spawn.
MGTOWs are pretty much the world’s worst science fiction authors.
Ryeash – congratulations. I laughed until I almost hiccuped.
“HI, I HAVE ALL THE INSECURITIES. ALL OF THEM” is what I’ll think of when next I read something like that. And “Mr. Thundercock and his Thug Spawn” is an extremely vivid glimpse into the OP’s subconscious.
gosuamakenatek: No kidding. Hell, if I had an unemployed significant other who cooked, I’d probably save enough money on my food bill to provide for us both without any extra outlay.
@Rabid Rabbit
Yeah, I didn’t mean anything malicious by it. I’m just saying it would be a very short movie.
gonna nerd out here: “self- awareness” is not “self-conscious” or “sentient”. it just means that the subject is aware of itself as a separate entity. A lot of ceteceans and primates pass this test fairly easily, dogs don’t, etc. It’s not *that* big a deal
Oh boy! More Migtoe stoopidz! Lemme have a crack at this word soup:
As has been pointed out numerous times here already, this sort of thing happens all the time in various parts of the world. Higher-income earners get taxed more than lower-income earners, especially those with dependent spouses and/or kids. Reason? THEY CAN EASILY AFFORD TO BE TAXED HIGHER, WITH PLENTY LEFT OVER FOR THEMSELVES. So, as a prediction of things to come, this one scores 0.
Wait…if marriage is truly going to be a thing of the past, won’t having to provide proof of it (gay or straight) be a thing of the past also? And why would you have to provide it, when civil registry offices already store such documentation as a matter of public record, anyway? And why would you be taxed 40% just for being single, as opposed to being in that particular income bracket? Future prediction score: Another goose-egg.
Said no feminist (or woman) ever. ALL men don’t share the burden, nor should they, because not all men are fathers. Only men who sired a child (other than by anonymous sperm donation) are required to contribute child support, assuming that they are able to do so.
As for having to choose between a child and a ’65 Mustang restoration, that’s a false dichotomy if ever there was one. Lots of men not only restore antique cars, they also lovingly co-parent their own kids (or pay child support to ex-partners voluntarily). Some even teach their kids how to restore antique cars, and do it together with them! MIND. BLOWN!
Future prediction score: Yup, another goose-egg. Also, putting-words-in-mouths FAIL.
A “non-binding price ceiling”? Dafuq is THAT? Also, “equal burden”. Wut?
The rest is so ludicrous that it doesn’t even bear attempting to tackle, because srsly, wut?
Future prediction score: A big, fat goose-egg.
Uh, fella, I hate to break it to you, but I look over my shoulders at ATMs all the time already. It’s a standard anti-theft precaution for us feeeeeemales. Also, I always keep a hand on my purse as I’m walking down the street.
As for the bit about polyamory: WUT?
I’m fresh out of goose-eggs. I’m gonna give this one a turkey-egg. They’re bigger.
Okay, this is just totally ludicrous. Besides that ass-pulled 40% figure for the imaginary “Bachelor Tax” (again), why does it have to be a fat woman? Why not a skinny or medium-sized woman? Questions, questions…which of course, this fool can’t answer.
Score: One slightly putrescent turkey-egg.
Oh sure, the future government will be spending vast amounts of time and money, just to track some bozo’s (imagined) “alpha” sex life. Yuh-huh. This one merits nothing short of a fully rotten motherfucking ostrich egg, because I’m feeling generous here. Bombs away!
(As for the bit about “plates” — and “land whales”, etc. — all the demeaning ways these clowns have to say “woman” without acknowledging personhood are duly noted. And pointed at, and ridiculed.)
Uh, dude? HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE’RE THINKING??? You can’t even think for yourself, and you presume to know what’s going through OUR heads? The only people who are actually waiting for economies to crumble are guys like you, because you may have just enough self-awareness to realize that there’s no way you could bag a damn thing for yourselves, so you’ll just have to wait till it dies before you can scavenge the carcass. Assuming, of course, that you don’t get scavenged yourselves, by post-apocalyptic wiseguys who are smarter, stronger and faster than you. Which, I would gather, is the most likely post-apocalyptic scenario. I mean, survival of the fittest, right?
As with everything requiring mental activity, these guys’ futuristic predictions are stunningly inept. If they wonder why none of us will care if and whenever they finally decide to Go Their Own Damn Way Already, I do believe this answers the question. Who would miss a guy as spectacularly idiotic as these?
PS: I also note, in passing, that the mechanical typewriter isn’t gone; in fact, given privacy concerns, it may be on the verge of making a dramatic comeback. (It’s already quite trendy among artsy hipsters.)
Why do MGTOW’s and MRA’s always think that women are going to fuck them over like this? Why do they think that we hate them so much we’re willing to ruin their lives for funzies, cry rape for a giggle and take their money thus leaving them destitute? Is it projection because so many of these MRA types do the same to women (aka Paul Elam) or are they just severely paranoid?
I’m going to guess that they’ve heard stories about this one guy and that other one from the friend of a friend whose cousin knows them, and his half-brother knows the other guy through someone from his work.
There’s a lot of time to obsess over things they assume that others get to have or are doing – they see other guys getting dates, read stories about it, go into online forums where guys brag about it, and thus wonder why they don’t, make unusual leaps comparing themselves to all the guys that are getting these things, and conclude it can’t possibly be their fault so it *has* to be women’s fault.
@kirbywarp:
It’s a bit late now (I’m in the middle of applying for a bursary and in extreme stress. Thus the sporadic commenting here), but: did you have problems with motion sickness in Talos Principle? I found their options for motion sickness (especially TPP) extremely helpful, actually the best I’ve seen so far. Since I got a new widescreen monitor, I can’t play Portal any more (as well as other minimalist 3D environments) because of motion sickness. FoV adaptation doesn’t help. But Talos works fine for me. Only, for above reasons, I haven’t gotten very far yet.
In a hundred years’ time, guys like these will be restoring old sexbots, and still complaining. “This little beauty is a ’65 Genesis GA07-JL, a classic. They don’t make them like this any more. The SJWs ruined sexbots when they introduced the mandatory empathy module. They’ll be sorry! More and more men are opting out of today’s sexbots”.
“while betas toil in the mines and obediently pay their taxes.”
Kent Brockman: “I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves”
I can no longer tell the difference between reality & a cartoon.
@ mockingbird
Sorry, didn’t see your original query upthread. Mind you, I don’t know the answer anyway.
It seems it’s based on how ‘children per mother’ (hence the rape exception). Not sure though what would happen if say a man had two children with one partner and then ended up taking in an earlier child by another partner. I know there was a story saying that a family that had two kids and wanted to adopt were told they wouldn’t get benefit for the adopted ‘third’ kid.
When the Bill receives final assent then maybe there’ll be a guide or something published.
TheLurker
msexceptiontotherule
My guess is that their experience of women comes from a particular subset (due to innate misogyny), and they then generalise this to all women.
If I only associate with conventionally attractive women who don’t threaten me by being intelligent or professionally capable, then my experience of women will be that I fund their lives in exchange for access to their bodies. If I am entirely blind to any women who isn’t on the end of my penis, then I might forget that any other women exist at all. I might then visualise the entirety of the female gender as being like the women I’ve chosen to associate with.
Fortunately for humanity but unfortunately for MRA-and-adjacent, most women are actually intelligent, independent, awesome people who have no qualms about organising politically in order to further their interests.
A syllogism emerges which only makes sense if you’re an MRA/MGTOW/PUA:
A: Women take money from men.
B: Women are flexing their political muscles.
C: Women’s political movements must have the end goal of taking money from men.
Like all syllogisms, this leads to an untrue conclusion if one of the premises is false. In this case the falseness comes from the fact that the women who are financially dependent on men tend not to be the women who are flexing their political muscles.
Also, they’re misogynists and fuck misogyny.
Of course these guys want terrifying sex robots.
Weirdtreewoodhugher.
Thanx 4 the show, didn´t know about it.
Once, we wondered how Skynet came to hate humanity enough to want to kill us all. Then, we found out that it started its existence as an the CPU in an MRA’s sexbot and everything suddenly made perfect sense.
“Once, we wondered how Skynet came to hate humanity enough to want to kill us all. Then, we found out that it started its existence as an the CPU in an MRA’s sexbot and everything suddenly made perfect sense.”
That gives me an idea for a Role Playing Game scenario.
@Mockingbird,
all good questions, and ones I suspect our chancellor does not have the answers to.
The new two child policy is in response to a negative stereotype in Britain of non working single mothers who pop out lots of children in order to receive benefit (welfare) for them. In reality very few women do this, but our tabloid newspapers and media like to find such women and falsely hold them up as typical benefit claimants.
It’s basically a very clumsy attempt at social engineering, and another attempt to punish poor people for a financial crisis which had nothing to do with them.
I suspect they’ll have to abandon it once it becomes clear that it’ll be a nightmare to implement. Right now benefit is received by the custodial parent, usually the mother but sometimes the father or other carer. I think the limit will be applied per household, but as you point out many households will combine children from multiple relationships. I know a woman with two children from her ex-husband who’s now living with her current partner who has three children from his previous marriage, they care for all five children, to suggest they should be penalized for that is ridiculous.
And then there’s the issue of what to do with women who do have a third child after the law comes into place, will they have to somehow prove they couldn’t avoid getting pregnant?
There’s good Guardian article about it here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/harriet-harman-welfare-bill-weird-labour-two-child-tax-plan
I realize this probably belongs on the open thread.
@Peter Hockley:
Hi! I haven’t seen you around before. Make yourself at home, and help yourself to a Welcome Package by scrolling down and clicking on the big candle pic, if you haven’t got one before.
I see you’ve got your kitty avatar already. Nice one!
I haven’t seen anyone else address your question, so I’ll try.
“Red pill, blue pill” is a metaphor lifted shamelessly from The Matrix, if that wasn’t obvious. MRAs believe that they see the world for what it really is, a terrible place where women value men only for their wallets, and scheme to entrap men with sex and babies just for the money. MRAs take it as gospel truth that unattached men have a lot more money. That may be true, for some people, but they seem to think that all men have high-paying jobs.
In this instance, the MRAs have followed their line of reasoning to the conclusion that the women (who run the world) have decided to force men into marriage by raising taxes on single men, as if the only reason to make a decision is financial.
They have certainly come to a wrong conclusion about how and why the world works the way it does, based primarily on faulty premises grounded in hating women.
As a former medievalist (in addition to being a feminazi, of course), I always get a kick out of these guys’ fantasies of what a civilizational collapse would look like. Setting aside the mechanics of it (there has never been a Big Collapse, not even with the Black Death wiped out perhaps as much as 50% of Europe’s population between 1347 and 1350), I love how people list all kinds of Biggest Problems they think would occur if there was no society anymore — rape, roving gangs, sex stuff, depressing post-industrial paysage, gladiatorial combat — while ignoring the obvious: WATER. Most people have no idea where their drinking water comes from. Most people (in the US at least) live in places that are supplied with water from far away, using extremely sophisticated delivery systems. Once the bottled water is gone and the pumps stop working, and the swimming pools are sucked dry … a great deal of people will simply die of thirst. Alpha Males included, and no amount of “game” and posturing would change that.
Even if you secure access to some source of water, getting clean water would be a huge problem. If we look at historical examples of civilizations being put under pressure — through massive warfare, for instance — the most devastating long-term consequence is disease, much of it waterborne. Without modern — electricity-powered — water treatment systems, it’s basically impossible to keep sewage and parasites out of your drinking water supply. Which means cholera, parasitic worms, botulism, flesh-eating bacteria, E.coli, legionellosis, typhoid fever — and this is not a complete list. These diseases were the bane of humanity well into the 20th century, and retain their grip in underdeveloped societies and regions ravaged by war or natural disasters.
I would submit that if something like a Big Collapse were to happen, our hero would have a good chance to spend the rest of his shot-*** life projectile-pooping and curled up in agonizing pain. Under those circumstances, “whores” and “blue pills” would be the least of his worries.
@ amused
Yup. They should probably read up on hydraulic despotism for clues as to what life would be like. And for those thinking they’ll just keep raiding the stores for bottled water (a) you won’t be the only person with that idea and (b) water + plastic = short shelf life.
@Amused,
yes, that’s puzzled me during all those seasons of ‘The Walking Dead’, where are they getting their water from? Season 4 showed them rigging up a basic system using the local river, and I suppose the farm in season 2 had a rain tank, but I’ve never seen it rain in that show….
Living in London there’s a lot more natural rainfall and there are a lot of rivers, but I’m not sure how much good boiling it will do. To be honest I think a bit too much about surviving post-collapse, blame it on all the zombie dramas I watch.
I’m in Tennessee, we have a whole genre of folk music about that time when the gummint came in and flooded everyone’s farms. My family and I will be hydrated a lot longer than most people. Doesn’t stop me from worrying about California.
sn0rkmaiden:
As a fellow Londoner, I can understand that obsession. A zombie apocalypse is pretty much my only hope of affording a bigger flat.