The MGTOWs on the GYOW forum are thinking about tomorrow, putting on their futurist hats and pondering what will happen when, as they think is inevitable, more and more men “take the red pill” and walk away from women to a new life of happiness and wonder in which they devote their days to grousing endlessly about the women they’ve walked away from.
There’s a little talk of apocalypse, and a quick mention of sexbots, but these fellas seem most worried about, well, taxes. Because naturally, big daddy government — under the control of evil feminists and manginas — will try to take a kind of revenge against Men Going Their Own Way by instituting a dreadful Bachelor Tax.
Octavian explains just how it’s all going to go down. First, “marriage will go the way of the mechanical typewriter.” Next, the taxman cometh.
[F]airly soon the governments of the world will get hip to the fact that the dudes who dont have women in their lives have a LOT of disposable income . If 80% of the dudes in society are unattached beta males with no kids and no wife, fairly soon someone’s gonna realize taxing those guys will pay for a lot of Mr Thundercock’s progeny. …
We’ll be served with a summons to present proof of gay marriage ,alimony expenses paid ,a court order for child support or a documented relationship with a female….or pay a 40% income tax until we do.The reason?
“All men should share the burden to pay for child support, because patriarchy.Whats more important-a kid or your classic 1965 Mustang restoration?”
At first to sell the “Bachelor Tax” theyll apply it to females as a gesture of “equal burden”, but that’ll be a non-binding price ceiling. They’ll find a beta to happily vouch for being in a relationship so she can dodge the taxman …
Meanwhile , we single dudes will be looking over our shoulders every time we use an ATM.Next floor in the elevator of decline after that is polyamory …
Want to dodge the 40% bachelor tax, Mister Bluepill? Go find a bored fat girl who’s willing to vouch for you to the IRS that you’re a taken man.Of course nothing is free in this world……and you’ll have to prove to Miss Fatso you have the commitment required to join her roster.
As for the alpha’s, itll be a lonely club-moving between harems means pissing off a few women. Itll be the lowest social category of public society; staying out of jail & poverty will mean fake ID’s and quick feet.Plate spinning for males will require CIA tradecraft to avoid imprisonment.
Unlike a lot of Manosphere prognosticators, Octavian isn’t secretly (or not-so-secretly) hoping for a grand collapse of civilization.
I hope we dont suffer a Big Collapse ; the only thing worse then living in a matriarchy is wandering a post-industrial disaster filled with desperate bluepill males ,ruthless whores ,and easy accessed personal weapons with no law or order.You think guys are thirsty simps NOW….just wait until a society of feminized she-dudes have to figure out how to live without Amazon Prime and extended warranties.
Insidious_Sid, meanwhile, thinks that the Bachelor Tax will just be the beginning.
There will be a tax war. Men saying “fuck it” will continue to be taxed more and more to pay for more and more bastard alpha babies. Governments will continue to create more insidious ways of getting men to pay for children that are not theirs.
And, oh yeah, after all this? The apocalypse.
Economies will crumble – women are actually waiting for this. They believe in the lies of the feminist utopia, where the rich white men at the top of the towers fall to their deaths, the towers topple and gold spills into the streets for everyone to plunder. They have no real knowledge of what the real repercussions of this will be – they think it will be handsome alphas fucking all the women while betas toil in the mines and obediently pay their taxes.
That’s not what is going to happen. Before it’s all over they will say “Oh no, what have we done?!”
These cries will fall on deaf ears.
Oh, and there will be sexbot taxes as well. According to Abdenour,
Technologically, there will be sex robots. One question is, what legislation feminist, manginas and white knights will pass in the West to make land whales more competitive with robots. Maybe some sex robot 1,000% tax to provide income for single land whales and their thug spawn.
MGTOWs are pretty much the world’s worst science fiction authors.
@Falconer
From what I’ve read, the robot was programed to think it was malfunctioning and it compared itself to the other robots in the vicinity to determine it was NOT malfunctioning.
So, I mean, their goes those MGTOW ideal plan. Now they just have to settle for sex dolls since they aren’t sentient life forms.
re: self awareness: How would we be able to differentiate between a solid simulation of self awareness and self awareness itself?
Or is the simulation of awareness enough of a generating force of the thing itself?
It seems like it’d be a difficult thing to suss out the dividing line in program (or neural, for that matter) complexity between the two.
Better be nice to the Roomba just in case.
@Panda – Couldn’t that just be a series of pass/fail measurements?
re: self awareness: Alexa always sounds put out about turning a light off or on…
MGTOWs are pretty much the world’s worst science fiction authors.
Well, that explains much of this year’s Hugo Award debacle.
@SFHC
…That is…um.creepy? Disturbing? So many words to describe that…thing. Still though, probably good that such a thing exists; for lonely men like MGTOW. Plus, it keeps them the hell away from real people, which would be for the best.
Here’s a news article about it: http://www.cnet.com/news/cute-robot-politely-shows-self-awareness/
Looks like the important bits are that they used a certain type of reasoning algorithm that wasn’t specific to the puzzle the robots were given, and that reasoning algorithm was able to create a proof that solved the puzzle using a concept of self and of it’s own voice.
Not quite self-awareness in the sense of consciousness, but self-awareness in the sense of an ability to use yourself and your actions as part of your proof.
Aside: Haven’t we been trying to answer this question for thousands of years now?
Ah, so we won’t be needing John Connor just yet.
^ That was kind of the allusion (though kind of half-assed since I wrote this while fiddling with some home automation shtuff).
My last reply was @Falconer re: conciousness.
This one’s @Kirby re: link: Neat.
I guess one thing about robots/AI: We have the potential to observe the tipping point between being able to solve self-referential logic puzzles and self-aware conciousness happen (as well as if it’s there’s a pass/fail point at all or more of an algorithmic awakening).
Oh, sorry, mockingbird, my reading comprehension is shot right now.
I made it read Had To Wank once too many times, and it’s having a sit-in.
@Falconer – It wasn’t an obvious (coherent?) allusion.
No worries.
Mr. Thundercock WILL be my post-apocalyptic Raider name, that is for sure.
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You mean…whether or not we have taken the blue or red pill?
*looks through haze at pandapool*
Exactly.
http://media2.giphy.com/media/p2tZwsSzh924o/giphy.gif
In all seriousness, though, it will be interesting to see how these old debates play out with AI / synthetics, especially if / when we have systems designed / programmed by systems.
For those who haven’t tried it out yet, The Talos principle deals with the issue of consciousness/defining “humanity” in a pretty entertaining way.
Frogs are people too.
All hail the hypnotoad!
I hate it when people lay their eggs in our kiddie pool, then.
mais – I’ll check it out.
Discussing this subject always feels so sophomoric, but I genuinely do think that the matter of defining and recognizing new conciousness will be an issue within most of our lifetimes.
re: tadpoles on pools: They’re the best thing.
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Well, they were doing okayish, but then we got an algae bloom and they all died.
We set up a fish tank with a sort of a terrarium ledge and a water pump and managed to preserve six or eight tadpoles, collected before the bloom. They’re getting big!
Dad and/or Mom Toad still shouts all night long outside our bedroom window though.
Hey, I sided with the geth, so I’m completely for artificial sentient beings having the same rights are humans.