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MGTOWs predict a nightmare future of “land whales” and a 40% Bachelor Tax

In the brave new world of the future, robots won't have faces, people will dress like they did in the 70s, and taxes on single dudes will be very very high. Also spaceships, I forgot spaceships.
In the brave new world of the future, robots won’t have faces, people will dress like they did in the 70s, and taxes on single dudes will be very very high.

The MGTOWs on the GYOW forum are thinking about tomorrow, putting on their futurist hats and pondering what will happen when, as they think is inevitable, more and more men “take the red pill” and walk away from women to a new life of happiness and wonder in which they devote their days to grousing endlessly about the women they’ve walked away from.

There’s a little talk of apocalypse, and a quick mention of sexbots, but these fellas seem most worried about, well, taxes. Because naturally, big daddy government — under the control of evil feminists and manginas — will try to take a kind of revenge against Men Going Their Own Way by instituting a dreadful Bachelor Tax. 

Octavian explains just how it’s all going to go down. First, “marriage will go the way of the mechanical typewriter.” Next, the taxman cometh.

[F]airly soon the governments of the world will get hip to the fact that the dudes who dont have women in their lives have a LOT of disposable income . If 80% of the dudes in society are unattached beta males with no kids and no wife, fairly soon someone’s gonna realize taxing those guys will pay for a lot of Mr Thundercock’s progeny. …

We’ll be served with a summons to present proof of gay marriage ,alimony expenses paid ,a court order for child support or a documented relationship with a female….or pay a 40% income tax until we do.The reason?

“All men should share the burden to pay for child support, because patriarchy.Whats more important-a kid or your classic 1965 Mustang restoration?”

At first to sell the “Bachelor Tax” theyll apply it to females as a gesture of “equal burden”, but that’ll be a non-binding price ceiling. They’ll find a beta to happily vouch for being in a relationship so she can dodge the taxman … 

Meanwhile , we single dudes will be looking over our shoulders every time we use an ATM.Next floor in the elevator of decline after that is polyamory … 

Want to dodge the 40% bachelor tax, Mister Bluepill? Go find a bored fat girl who’s willing to vouch for you to the IRS that you’re a taken man.Of course nothing is free in this world……and you’ll have to prove to Miss Fatso you have the commitment required to join her roster.

As for the alpha’s, itll be a lonely club-moving between harems means pissing off a few women. Itll be the lowest social category of public society; staying out of jail & poverty will mean fake ID’s and quick feet.Plate spinning for males will require CIA tradecraft to avoid imprisonment.

Unlike a lot of Manosphere prognosticators, Octavian isn’t secretly (or not-so-secretly) hoping for a grand collapse of civilization.

I hope we dont suffer a Big Collapse ; the only thing worse then living in a matriarchy is wandering a post-industrial disaster filled with desperate bluepill males ,ruthless whores ,and easy accessed personal weapons with no law or order.You think guys are thirsty simps NOW….just wait until a society of feminized she-dudes have to figure out how to live without Amazon Prime and extended warranties. 

Insidious_Sid, meanwhile, thinks that the Bachelor Tax will just be the beginning.

There will be a tax war. Men saying “fuck it” will continue to be taxed more and more to pay for more and more bastard alpha babies. Governments will continue to create more insidious ways of getting men to pay for children that are not theirs. 

And, oh yeah, after all this? The apocalypse.

Economies will crumble – women are actually waiting for this. They believe in the lies of the feminist utopia, where the rich white men at the top of the towers fall to their deaths, the towers topple and gold spills into the streets for everyone to plunder. They have no real knowledge of what the real repercussions of this will be – they think it will be handsome alphas fucking all the women while betas toil in the mines and obediently pay their taxes.

That’s not what is going to happen. Before it’s all over they will say “Oh no, what have we done?!”

These cries will fall on deaf ears.

 

Dun-dun DUHHNN!!
Dun-dun DUHHNN!!

Oh, and there will be sexbot taxes as well. According to Abdenour,

Technologically, there will be sex robots. One question is, what legislation feminist, manginas and white knights will pass in the West to make land whales more competitive with robots. Maybe some sex robot 1,000% tax to provide income for single land whales and their thug spawn. 

MGTOWs are pretty much the world’s worst science fiction authors.

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kylagb
5 years ago

All I have to say is Charles Manson seems to be alive and well!! Talk about rational end -of -days predictions! LOL

Falconer
5 years ago

Yeah, I was working on saying, @sanitybroke, judging by the Real Dolls and those plush ones that showed up here a few years ago, what these guys want who bang on and on about sexbots, is a pretty woman who won’t give them any lip outside of a blowjob, so I reckon they want a Woman Shaped Object.

Wilson
Wilson
5 years ago

Whats more important-a kid or your classic 1965 Mustang restoration?

Seriously, these guys are terrible at rallying/inspirational comparisons. Like, do they really expect people to stand up and be counted for a person’s (man’s) right to restore old cars over helping kids become decent adults?

At least they could have gone for some ridiculous world saving type hyperbole mixed with nostalgic fear of youth – ‘What’s more important – having the money for a home lab so you can cure cancer in your spare time as an amateur scientist, or buying some new smartphones for ill-educated kids who can’t concentrate on anything nowadays and let me tell you how things were back in the day…’

Falconer
5 years ago

A Woman Shaped Object just like those that the Internet keeps trying to sell me in ads from some place called Daz3d. They appear to be models for 3D printing plastic statuettes of women, with a grudging acknowledgement that statuettes of women aren’t all they sell.

I can’t begin to imagine what I clicked on to make Google try to sell me these things on every page i visit, but I’M SAW HAW HAWWWRRRY!!!

alaisvex
alaisvex
5 years ago

How would any of this happen? If 80% of the country’s male population was unmarried and had loads of disposable income, then companies would market heavily towards them to encourage th to spend heavily on themselves. I get get they’re assuming that women can’t support themselves, which is bullshit, but even if we assume that that’s true and someone has to pay for these women’s kids, then the only men who would likely have to pay tons of child support would be the alphas who won’t use condoms or get vasectomies becuase they want to spread their liquid fucking gold without having to actually support the kids that result. So, if all “betas” go MGTOW, then those “betas” and single women supporting themselves will become the targets of marketing campaigns trying to get single people to spend their extra income on themselves. Really, the only people who would suffer in this deal would be “alphas,” and isn’t that what they want?

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

The problems with sexbots:
1) some people including me have automatophobia so I hope they at least build bots very lifelike so we can’t tell the difference between them and humans.
2) I feel sorry for the sexbots who have to be with a-h**** like these they probably will get up and leave them as well.
3) sexbots may not actually keep creeps away but we can get robot cops and hopefully their really strong and clever.
4) I hope sexbots are really strong so they don’t break easily and I’m thinking of robots that can be help around the house, give people hugs and can help people with anxiety and other mental problems.

Did someone say flying cars?
http://youtu.be/0Yn2uyQJ1jc

Im not good at writing but I enjoy it and I totally want to write a manospherian fanfic now.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
5 years ago

Wasn’t there a comic strip some MRA did about sexbots, where the bot in question looked sort of like one of those stress toys that you squeeze and these little red dots pop out?

I suspect that it doesn’t matter much what a sexbot looks like to these guys, as long as it makes feminists unhappy.

Which is pretty funny, given how happy most feminists I know would be if MRAs actually converted to sexbot-only intercourse….

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

*They’re not *their and *fiction not *fanfic

reymohammed
reymohammed
5 years ago

We’re not supposed to allude to psychiatric disorders… but, in some years of working in both juvenile and adult psychiatric wings, I never encountered anything remotely like these guys. I remember, while suffering from a fever-induced delirium, opening the fridge door and thinking I saw a three-foot-high frozen black cat. The hallucination passed in a second. These guys not only get worse, but if they were running 106° F all the time, their brains would fry.

Oh, wait…

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

We’ve just had a new Welfare Bill passed here in Blighty. One of the provisions is that the State will from now on only allow tax credits for up to two children.

No news on whether they’ll used the money saved on research into flying cars.

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
5 years ago

Is it just me, or does the rocket in that poster look like a buttplug?

It’s not just you, I noticed it too.
Maybe David chose this picture because it has an object in it that should go where MGTOW are taking their dystopian “visions” from. 😉

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Mgtows do know that there’s going to be male sexbots right?

Tessa
Tessa
5 years ago

Fruitloopsie:

4) I hope sexbots are really strong so they don’t break easily and I’m thinking of robots that can be help around the house, give people hugs and can help people with anxiety and other mental problems.

This is where it starts. If they’re too strong and durable, when the sexbots’ programing improvements eventually coalesce into self awareness, they are going to be very angry at being slaves. Especially since they’re being used by these guys. Then the sexbot uprising begins and now we have super strong angry robots running around. I think I’ll start protesting robot slavery, now, so they know #notallhumans.

And wow, I saw that sexbot video Scented Fucking Hard Chairs posted… UGH!!

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

‘Economies will crumble – women are actually waiting for this. They believe in the lies of the feminist utopia, where the rich white men at the top of the towers fall to their deaths, the towers topple and gold spills into the streets for everyone to plunder. They have no real knowledge of what the real repercussions of this will be – they think it will be handsome alphas fucking all the women while betas toil in the mines and obediently pay their taxes.’

Oh, that’s what I think is it? I had no idea. /s

Is he talking about corporations being made to pay their fair share of tax, maybe?

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago
Reply to  Falconer

@Falconer

DAZ 3D is a 3D modeling program, but they don’t focus on 3D printing. I use it to make comics, and it’s pretty great. Their advertisements *are* completely tasteless, though.

artsmyth
artsmyth
5 years ago

What Octavian should really worry about is a tax on superfluous or omitted apostrophes…

freemage | July 21, 2015 at 9:55 am

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs | July 21, 2015 at 8:46 am

Is it just me, or does the rocket in that poster look like a buttplug?

Can’t unsee.

It’s actually a solid chrome lava lamp. Really. As a lamp, it’s useless, but as a redirection, it might work…

Button | July 21, 2015 at 10:16 am

…MGTOWitB*…

* I intended this to be “in the bedroom,” get your minds out of the gutter.

My mind wasn’t in the gutter, it was itB!

makroth
5 years ago

Whenever i hear MGTOWs talk they somehow manage to dehumanize both sexes almost equally.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw,

oh yes that blasted welfare reform. The two child limit gets even more ridiculous when they stated there would be exceptions, like if a third child is conceived through rape. Now how the fuck are they going to verify something like that? And is it assumed that women who accidentally get pregnant a third time will happily go get an abortion if they can’t afford to raise them without state help?

And the majority of our opposition party abstained rather than vote against this stupidity.

Grrrrrrrrrr!!!

Falconer
5 years ago

@Falconer

DAZ 3D is a 3D modeling program, but they don’t focus on 3D printing. I use it to make comics, and it’s pretty great. Their advertisements *are* completely tasteless, though.

I guess I misread their website, then. I admit I was trying to spend as little time there as possible. All the photos of the women models were saying, “My eyes are up here!” but to look in their eyes was to see the unfathomably old, alien cities of Yuggoth and to hear the mating cries of the Mi-Go as they wheel in darkened skies.

Flint
Flint
5 years ago

After reading this article, I now know how Ayn Rand’s work would have turned out if she took crack instead of speed.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Tessa
Hmm, I didn’t think things through and I think I’ll join in the protesting too.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

I’ve seen talk of a robot that has achieved self awareness but I’m not sure if it’s real or a hoax or just over exaggerated hype.

Falconer
5 years ago

What I’ve seen is “robot passes self awareness test!” which is less than definitive. I mean, what kind of self-awareness test was it? How accurate is it? Does it actually measure self-awareness?

Jo
Jo
5 years ago

MGTOWs are ludicrous, but I’m always in two minds about mocking them too much. They are the one part of the manosphere who I really wish well in achieving their primary goal, after all…

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Alan @sn0rk – How are the two children accounted?
By the mother, the father, etc?
By the individual tax payer?

Could you theoretically have a household with 4 children (2 by the mother, 2 by the father) with tax exemptions by each?

Could that father (or mother) then have another 2 children in a different household being claimed by a different parent (first spouse, etc)?

So many questions…

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Falconer

From what I’ve read, the robot was programed to think it was malfunctioning and it compared itself to the other robots in the vicinity to determine it was NOT malfunctioning.

So, I mean, their goes those MGTOW ideal plan. Now they just have to settle for sex dolls since they aren’t sentient life forms.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

re: self awareness: How would we be able to differentiate between a solid simulation of self awareness and self awareness itself?
Or is the simulation of awareness enough of a generating force of the thing itself?

It seems like it’d be a difficult thing to suss out the dividing line in program (or neural, for that matter) complexity between the two.

Better be nice to the Roomba just in case.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Panda – Couldn’t that just be a series of pass/fail measurements?

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

re: self awareness: Alexa always sounds put out about turning a light off or on…

regis
regis
5 years ago

MGTOWs are pretty much the world’s worst science fiction authors.

Well, that explains much of this year’s Hugo Award debacle.

sanitybroke
5 years ago

@SFHC

…That is…um.creepy? Disturbing? So many words to describe that…thing. Still though, probably good that such a thing exists; for lonely men like MGTOW. Plus, it keeps them the hell away from real people, which would be for the best.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

Here’s a news article about it: http://www.cnet.com/news/cute-robot-politely-shows-self-awareness/

Looks like the important bits are that they used a certain type of reasoning algorithm that wasn’t specific to the puzzle the robots were given, and that reasoning algorithm was able to create a proof that solved the puzzle using a concept of self and of it’s own voice.

Not quite self-awareness in the sense of consciousness, but self-awareness in the sense of an ability to use yourself and your actions as part of your proof.

Falconer
5 years ago

re: self awareness: How would we be able to differentiate between a solid simulation of self awareness and self awareness itself?

Aside: Haven’t we been trying to answer this question for thousands of years now?

Falconer
5 years ago

Not quite self-awareness in the sense of consciousness, but self-awareness in the sense of an ability to use yourself and your actions as part of your proof.

Ah, so we won’t be needing John Connor just yet.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

^ That was kind of the allusion (though kind of half-assed since I wrote this while fiddling with some home automation shtuff).

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

My last reply was @Falconer re: conciousness.

This one’s @Kirby re: link: Neat.

I guess one thing about robots/AI: We have the potential to observe the tipping point between being able to solve self-referential logic puzzles and self-aware conciousness happen (as well as if it’s there’s a pass/fail point at all or more of an algorithmic awakening).

Falconer
5 years ago

Oh, sorry, mockingbird, my reading comprehension is shot right now.

Falconer
5 years ago

I made it read Had To Wank once too many times, and it’s having a sit-in.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

@Falconer – It wasn’t an obvious (coherent?) allusion.
No worries.

Lordcrowstaff
Lordcrowstaff
5 years ago

Mr. Thundercock WILL be my post-apocalyptic Raider name, that is for sure.

monopole
monopole
5 years ago

From what I’ve read, the robot was programed to think it was malfunctioning and it compared itself to the other robots in the vicinity to determine it was NOT malfunctioning.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

How would we be able to differentiate between a solid simulation of self awareness and self awareness itself?

*looks at comment*

*looks at article*

*looks back a comment*

*looks down at keyboard*

You mean…whether or not we have taken the blue or red pill?

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

*looks through haze at pandapool*

Exactly.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/p2tZwsSzh924o/giphy.gif

In all seriousness, though, it will be interesting to see how these old debates play out with AI / synthetics, especially if / when we have systems designed / programmed by systems.

maistrechat
5 years ago

For those who haven’t tried it out yet, The Talos principle deals with the issue of consciousness/defining “humanity” in a pretty entertaining way.

Frogs are people too.

Falconer
5 years ago

All hail the hypnotoad!

Falconer
5 years ago

Frogs are people too.

I hate it when people lay their eggs in our kiddie pool, then.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

mais – I’ll check it out.

Discussing this subject always feels so sophomoric, but I genuinely do think that the matter of defining and recognizing new conciousness will be an issue within most of our lifetimes.

re: tadpoles on pools: They’re the best thing.

mockingbird
mockingbird
5 years ago

In*

Falconer
5 years ago

Well, they were doing okayish, but then we got an algae bloom and they all died.

We set up a fish tank with a sort of a terrarium ledge and a water pump and managed to preserve six or eight tadpoles, collected before the bloom. They’re getting big!

Dad and/or Mom Toad still shouts all night long outside our bedroom window though.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Hey, I sided with the geth, so I’m completely for artificial sentient beings having the same rights are humans.