Roosh Valizadeh — the racist, woman-hating, fat-shaming pickup artist and rape legalization proponent — is trying to reinvent himself as a philosopher of sorts, a man with unique insights into the perils of masculinity in “a degenerate world.” He seems undaunted by the fact that his unique insights are neither unique nor, well, insights; he’s little more than a regurgitator of a lot of old, bad ideas, and a not-very-competent regurgitator at that. If he were a mother bird, his chicks would all die.
Part of Roosh’s attempted reinvention is a “world” lecture tour this summer that started in Berlin in late June and that will, barring mishaps, end in Toronto in mid-August.
Tomorrow, he’s making an appearance in Manhattan, where he will be making a canned speech on “The State Of Man” followed by several hours of Q&A and mingling with his fans. Or at least that portion of his fans who have managed to stay awake through 40 minutes of Roosh droning on in his characteristic monotone.
On his “Roosh World Tour” website, Roosh highlights some of the topics he addresses in his speech, including
- “How to mentally approach living in a degenerate world”
- “An examination of three different time periods men faced in the past”
- “The overall benefits we can expect from women in the pursuit of relationships with them”
- “One important need that all men require in life”
Based on the portion of Roosh’s oeuvre that I have managed to force myself to read, I’m going to guess that this “need that all men require” — isn’t a “need” by definition something that is required? — is women touching their boners (no fatties). Or something else equally stupid. Honestly, I don’t care. I feel a bit sorry for any man pathetic enough to pay the $47-$59 he is charging for his “4-hour event.”
Roosh is keeping the exact location of the event secret until the last minute “to prevent unattractive feminists from petitioning the event,” as he puts it on his reservations page.
Roosh’s so-called World Tour is only hitting 4 countries in total. One country he is not visiting: Iceland.
Why might this be? Well, the last time he went to Iceland, Roosh convinced a woman who’d lost her phone and been abandoned by her friends after a night of drinking in a Reykjavik bar to come to his apartment. Then this happened, as he himself tells the story in his Bang Iceland eBook:
I hooked her arm and off we went. … There had to be a moment when she realized that all her friends are gone and the only reasonable option left was to go home with a strange man she had just met.
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.
I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she’s going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. I’ll protect myself by using a condom (most of the time), but I know that when it comes to sex, one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing.
Quotes his, emphasis mine.
This isn’t philosophy. It’s not even pickup “artistry.” It’s just what rapists do.
EDIT: A few tweaks and a fixed typo in the headline; added the bit about the “secret” venue.
We have hate speech legislation in our fine country, and there’s a petition against Roosh V. arguing that what he engages in is hate speech and should be barred from entry: https://www.change.org/p/the-government-of-canada-deny-roosh-v-entry-to-canada-for-the-purposes-of-disseminating-hate?recruiter=345701908&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
@GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina
“As a circumcised male, this is one of the few times I get to mansplain without any feeling of guilt. Circumcision is not a big deal.”
This is something that you only get to say about yourself, not about anyone else. That’s what bodily autonomy means.
As for you being happy with being mutilated as a child, it’s human nature that people often justify abusive things that were done to them as kids, then inflect them on their own children. Eg; “Of cpourse I beat my kids! – I was whipped with a belt as a kid, & it didn’t do me any harm!”
You might be interested to know that most circumcised women are proud of being circumcised, & adamant that their own daughters be ‘circumcised’. This is one of the big reasons why governments are finding it so impossible to stamp out FGM in countries where it’s the norm.
For the rest of you with circumcised kids, I don’t blame you for being conned into making a mistake by the very powerful & dishonest pro-circumcision lobby, as long as you acknowledge that it was a mistake, & don’t try to justify it.
*randallr
“I like Roosh.”
I bet your cat’s breath smells like cat food too.
@estraven
“An infant cannot agree to vaccination or to a life-saving surgery, either.”
Those are time-critical life or death interventions, circumcision isn’t.
“The culture was different then and among the people I knew circumcision was the norm.”
That was once true of foot-binding, but while it makes it understandable, it doesn’t make it acceptable.
Hey, Nop? I’ll agree with you that most circumcisions in the US are probably not medically necessary. Please, please, please don’t pretend that there is never a valid medical reason, though.
Because occasionally there is.
For some people, circumcision can stop strings of painful infections that increase their risks of cancer and renal failure.
It’s super rare, but can happen.
@contrapangloss
“Hey, Nop? I’ll agree with you that most circumcisions in the US are probably not medically necessary. Please, please, please don’t pretend that there is never a valid medical reason, though. Because occasionally there is.”
There are sometimes valid medical reasons to amputate a child’s leg too, but only a monster would do it as a prophylactic measure.
“For some people, circumcision can stop strings of painful infections that increase their risks of cancer and renal failure.”
And the name of this life-threatening condition that I’ve never heard of would be…?
To put it less sarcastically, it sounds like you’re talking about ordinary UTIs, which are indeed common in kids, but easily treated with antibiotics, & can be better minimised with good hygiene. Interestingly enough, UTIs are about twice as common in little girls as in uncircumcised little boys, & yet nobody in their right mind would suggest that we routinely perform surgery on the genitals of little girls to prevent it.
(And again, I’ll point out that I’m not blaming parents who let their kid[s] be mutilated because they didn’t know any better at the time, just those who keep on trying to justify the practice.)
Nop, I was actually referring to a specific case, of a friend’s son who is disabled and unable to provide that basic hygiene for himself. His father did his best for years.
He wasn’t circumcised until 16. No, he was not able to make that decision for himself. His father made that call.
His quality of life has significantly improved in the year since the procedure. His father, in hindsight, feels like he should have agreed to let it happen years ago.
As I said, situations like that are rare.
I’m in complete agreement with you that it is not something parents should ever decide to do lightly.
Hey Nop
I was abused as a child. One of my parents had mental issues that were treated and since treatment starred it has never been repeated.
The circumcision was not abuse. And you have no right to say that something my parents did in their best efforts to provide and care for me was abuse. So don’t you dare say that again. When someone is doing their best for their child you have no right to declare it abuse.
Just because people are trying their best and think they’re doing the right thing doesn’t mean they’re not in actuality committing abuse. I hear that shit from people who smack their kids around. They sincerely believe it’s in the kid’s best interests. Guess what. Still abuse!
I’m just going to leave this conversation alone. I don’t want to get into a spanking debate here. I’m sorry I brought it up and I’m satisfied that most people will consult their doctors at the proper time and not judge others based on what they did.
I also be love pi had good intentions in the comment I originally replied to.
But this discussion has become to toxic and I think it’s best if it is just left alone for now.
Back to the topic: Any word on how Roosh’s little drone-fest went? Inquiring minds, etc.
So apparently we can add “actual fucking rapist” to Roosh’s titles.
Roosh V, admitted rapist
Some food for thought for the defensive US parents in this discussion
When my Dad was a child, it was normal to have children’s tonsils clipped while the child was conscious and completely unsedated.
Back then people believed small children felt no pain or less pain than adults. My father told his parents several times this hurt in the extreme, but this was laughed off. Doctors said it was okay so they did this to him several times.
My grandparents did not mean to be abusive. They simply complied with what the doctors told them and what their peers did.
However, my father was horribly traumatised as a result. He never fully trusted doctors again. He certainly considered what happened to him abuse. So when I got tonsillitis he made sure I got antibiotics. I grew out of it and was ill less often than my peers anyway. I have my tonsils to this day.
My Dad never gave me the feeling his parents were monsters, but he did make it very clear they made some mistakes and that he got hurt as a result. He did his best not to repeat their mistakes. He never felt that just because certain things had happened to him, it should therefore happen to his children.
I saw someone in the street today that looked EXACTLY like Roosh! Age, build, hairstyle, facial hair, honestly, I have only seen a few photo’s ,but I swear it.
However: I am not in New York, AND he smiled and said hello (we both had dogs with us. I know this cannot be Roosh if he said hello to me, as I am fat, 50, have grey hair and tattoos. Roosh wouldn’t even piss on me if I was on fire.
So, there is a man who is a doppelganger of Roosh, but is also a dog lover and is smiley and friendly to people he is not trying to ‘bang’. And he looked like he had excellent personal hygiene. Talk about Bizarro World!
Not only is truth an absolute defense against libel/slander in the US, it follows the civil burden of proof, which means that the defense only have to show that there’s a 51% chance the statements are true.
I’m going to guess that this guy’s track record with women is markedly better than Roosh’s, too.
Write-ups and video of NYC event from the Rooshians. No big news, no protests.
According to Roosh, so far attendance on the tour:
BERLIN — 38. One woman (journalist).
LONDON — 66.
D.C. — 75.
NYC — 100. One woman.
As Roosh pointed out; It was no coincidence that, on the day that the US Supreme Court legalizes Gay Marriage, the Whitehouse is lit-up with rainbow colored lights!
Well, no. I don’t suppose it was.
@Orion
Wait, wait, wait. Someone actually fucking said that?
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/wfi.gif
It was no coincidence that on the day it rained, the ground was wet!
100 people? Lolololol.
@Robjec
“I was abused as a child.”
So was I.
“One of my parents had mental issues that were treated and since treatment starred it has never been repeated.”
I wish I could say the same.
“The circumcision was not abuse.”
Mutilating a child’s genitalia without a solid medical reason is almost the definition of abuse.
” And you have no right to say that something my parents did in their best efforts to provide and care for me was abuse. So don’t you dare say that again. When someone is doing their best for their child you have no right to declare it abuse.”
The authors & readers of “To train up a child” think they’re “doing their best for their child”.
Do you agree with them?
In the Roosh V forum thread on this tour, the conversation briefly drifted to a Change.org petition that Canadian feminists had posted to attempt to ban Valizadeh from entering Canada.
The following responses are particularly funny:
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
Nop,
You’re way out of line. Cut it out. When you’ve labeled most American parents and most Jewish and Muslim parents globally, child abusers, perhaps you’ve gone just a touch too far.
If you care so much about bodily integrity and autonomy, maybe implying that someone’s body is broken and damaged is not the way to go. You don’t get to dictate how somebody feels about either their bodies or their parents.