Roosh Valizadeh — the racist, woman-hating, fat-shaming pickup artist and rape legalization proponent — is trying to reinvent himself as a philosopher of sorts, a man with unique insights into the perils of masculinity in “a degenerate world.” He seems undaunted by the fact that his unique insights are neither unique nor, well, insights; he’s little more than a regurgitator of a lot of old, bad ideas, and a not-very-competent regurgitator at that. If he were a mother bird, his chicks would all die.
Part of Roosh’s attempted reinvention is a “world” lecture tour this summer that started in Berlin in late June and that will, barring mishaps, end in Toronto in mid-August.
Tomorrow, he’s making an appearance in Manhattan, where he will be making a canned speech on “The State Of Man” followed by several hours of Q&A and mingling with his fans. Or at least that portion of his fans who have managed to stay awake through 40 minutes of Roosh droning on in his characteristic monotone.
On his “Roosh World Tour” website, Roosh highlights some of the topics he addresses in his speech, including
- “How to mentally approach living in a degenerate world”
- “An examination of three different time periods men faced in the past”
- “The overall benefits we can expect from women in the pursuit of relationships with them”
- “One important need that all men require in life”
Based on the portion of Roosh’s oeuvre that I have managed to force myself to read, I’m going to guess that this “need that all men require” — isn’t a “need” by definition something that is required? — is women touching their boners (no fatties). Or something else equally stupid. Honestly, I don’t care. I feel a bit sorry for any man pathetic enough to pay the $47-$59 he is charging for his “4-hour event.”
Roosh is keeping the exact location of the event secret until the last minute “to prevent unattractive feminists from petitioning the event,” as he puts it on his reservations page.
Roosh’s so-called World Tour is only hitting 4 countries in total. One country he is not visiting: Iceland.
Why might this be? Well, the last time he went to Iceland, Roosh convinced a woman who’d lost her phone and been abandoned by her friends after a night of drinking in a Reykjavik bar to come to his apartment. Then this happened, as he himself tells the story in his Bang Iceland eBook:
I hooked her arm and off we went. … There had to be a moment when she realized that all her friends are gone and the only reasonable option left was to go home with a strange man she had just met.
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.
I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do. If a girl is willing to walk home with me, she’s going to get the dick no matter how much she has drunk. I’ll protect myself by using a condom (most of the time), but I know that when it comes to sex, one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing.
Quotes his, emphasis mine.
This isn’t philosophy. It’s not even pickup “artistry.” It’s just what rapists do.
EDIT: A few tweaks and a fixed typo in the headline; added the bit about the “secret” venue.
Oh good. I’m not the only one.
I don’t care to look up references about it, but I thought I was simply being a grumpy old lady/ stick in the mud/ killjoy disliking and avoiding those images. Good to know I’m just one of a crowd.
“I feel a bit sorry for any man pathetic enough to pay the $47-$59”
I’m one of those “pathetic” men you feel so inclined to insult. I just touched down in NYC and went through a day of travel to get here.
This article (I use the term loosely) is not accurate by any means; nor does Roosh advocate sexual misconduct. Actually he has clearly stated, verbatim, that one must respect a woman’s choice to say “no.”
Men are not “pathetic” for being concerned about the increasingly anti-male hostility I see these days, the damage done to relationships/datibg/families and more…along with the the triumph of emotion-based outrage & outrageous attacks on people’s livelihoods and character over simple words. We are living in an increasingly anti-male, gynocentric, morally bankrupt society where both men and women suffer in the long term.
Roosh happens to be a well-read, well-traveled man who is one of the first to give men a venue to discuss issues that concern us.
Whether or not you agree or disagree with something he has written about gives no justification to make false claims. I respect a man who goes out and earns his experiences; others simply sit on the sidelines and criticize, and quite viciously I might add (from the comfort of a keyboard of course).
I make this comment knowing the type of people here cannot be reasoned with, but I do so to show the type of man who would attend this event.
So presumably no one here has a Surinam toad as their spirit animal?
@Nequam
How dare you even mention it.
You tryptophobes are such killjoys!
Nah, it’s cool. I’m not bothered by the pics, which is a good thing. If I was bothered by them it’d make my life a lot more difficult, but I totally respect that they can severely bug other people. I’m not so enamored with them that I find my joy to be worth you all’s discomfort.
That’d be a jerk move, even if I was enamored with them, instead of just like “meh”.
Further ones can totally go behind a cut, or we can stage an intervention for the ferrets in the catsuits in the David suit?
@Nequam, I don’t have a spirit animal, but if I did, it probably wouldn’t be that. Not because they bug me, but because I can’t fathom being that close to your kids for that long.
KIDS ARE SCARY, OKAY?!
I’m okay with the things coming out of things. That’s actually cool. But, kids are scary. Nope. Nope. Nope. NOPE!
OK, now I googled Surinam toad. Whyyyyyyyyyyy. No sleep tonight, then.
Every time, folks. Every time.
Someone: Don’t Google this, you don’t want to know.
Everyone else: I GOOGLED AND WHY?!?!?!?!
Every single time. We just don’t learn, do we?
How about by realizing that YOU are the degenerate, Roosh?
Also known as “Zzzzz”, “Snork” and “Honk Shoo”.
Fuck off, Roosh, we’re not sex automats. That’s the overall benefit you can expect from us: Enlightenment delivered with a kick to your pants.
Judging by Roosh’s appearance, I’m going to guess that it has nothing to do with proper sustenance or basic hygiene.
There you go, fellas, I just saved you $50. Thank me now, or thank me later.
Itching ALL OVER at the GDD images myself. I didn’t even know tryphophobia was a thing but oh yes, this thing I surely do have.
Eh, it’s kind of a weird not-quite-phobia, in that most people have some pattern or something that makes their skin crawl. There’s probably something in our neurological wiring that makes us sensitive to particular patterns like that- it seems to correlate with things like OCD.
The GDD images freak me out, but it’s because I see in them the birth of true artificial intelligence. Once computers can start hallucinating, we’re off.
GetItGoing, you dumb motherfucker.
I don’t have the time or inclination to systematically point out every stupid or incorrect statement in your post, so I’ll do this one. You claim that false statements were made. Please back this up with facts.
http://36.media.tumblr.com/362baadda830f684acdec7b2d1509fe8/tumblr_nqwbq0N1bU1rmx2n0o1_500.jpg
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Or at least outta my state.
Why isn’t this guy already in jail? They went after Julian Assange, charging him with rape, and now he’s living in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, his life ruined. Yet here we have Roosh V, a man who (unlike Assange) has contributed nothing of value to civilization, who has likely raped or assaulted women in MULTIPLE countries, and who continues to boast about his sexual exploits, without having faced any charges. What’s wrong with this picture?
GetItGoing
And a rapist.
Edit every description of Roosh to add “and a rapist.”
He’s “well read” AND A RAPIST.
He travels…AND HE RAPES WOMEN.
He gets paid to deliver sermons to angry manbabies WHEN HE ISN’T RAPING WOMEN.
Does anyone else want to bet that that asshole will ignore or perhaps even defend that kind of behavior?
Good for you. And we’re supposed to care why?
Oooh, someone’s feeling sassy.
Links please.
Here’s some to support David’s claims:
Roosh advocating for legal rape on private property and David’s article on the subject.
Roosh talking about how he brought a girl home in Iceland and knew that in America it would be considered rape. (see quote above. Literally in this article you so obviously did NOT read.)
Men aren’t pathetic for worrying about things that are actually problems. However, I don’t see any “anti-male hostility”. You wouldn’t happen to have any sources on hand, would you?
I’m sorry, but did you mean “dating” for the second word? I thought it was some sort of silly acronym and went to go Google it and got nothing.
But, there hasn’t been any “damage” done to relationships/dating/families, as far as I can tell.
Again, I would ask for elaboration.
“I know I raped a girl in Iceland” is pretty toxic though. Roosh said it himself in his book. It’s not an “outrageous attack”, it’s a confession.
And I fail to see how pointing out that someone claimed to be a rapist and tried to say that we should make rape legal (see article above) is bad in any way. (Unless you’re, you know, a misogynist.)
Elaborate please.
Uh, if you want to talk about the “issues” of not getting your boner touched, that’s great. But, we like to talk about issues that hurt men like:
– Forceful restriction to male gender roles of caretaker and provider
– Sex being the be-all, end-all for men, and it being a sign of status, thus driving some men to believe that if they can’t get laid, they’re worthless
– Men being circumcised as babies (though, this is a matter of toxic masculinity, like when Daddy says “I want my son to have a normal looking penis like mine!”, and somewhat a religious one)
– Male rape victims not seeking or getting help because of the “suck it up, you [feminine slur]!” attitude that is endemic in toxic masculinity
– Anything remotely considered feminine being inexcusable for men to take part in or do.
etc.
So, if you’d like to talk about those topics, you’re more than welcome here. However, we don’t care about your boner not being touched. That’s not our problem.
Says the guy that says David’s making “false claims” because David said some less-than-nice things about his hero, Roosh.
Also, if you’d like proof of anything we say, we’d be more than happy to link you. Just point out what you’d like proof on.
Says the guy who’s currently trying to criticize David from behind the comfort of his keyboard.
Also, I’d be willing to bet cash money you don’t know David, and thus, don’t know what he’s done with his life at all. How do you know that he hasn’t gone out and “earned his experiences”? How do you know any of us commenters haven’t?
You’re really pulling these assumptions out your back door here, and they’re rather funny.
Nope, we’re not reasonable at all because we won’t say nice things about Roosh and nice things ONLY.
And the type of man who would attend this event isn’t impressive, if you’re an apex specimen. I mean, being a hypocritical, over-emotional, defensive man because someone said something mean about Roosh (and can back it up with words from Return of Kings or his shitty e-books)?
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. That’s not very Alpha Male of you.
That asshole probably just posted and left, hence the: I know I can’t reason with you at the end so he won’t even try to argue back.
I wouldn’t really bother with the comment just another MGTOW with a super fabulous awesome duper life without the need of dumb women who is offended at how we get irrationally angry at the rapist and scum among their bunch.
But it’s still fun to chew on the posts and hope that they get indignant enough to come back for a little back-and-forth.
Besides, I want to know what “anti-male hostility” he’s been facing!
Dioceses, I’ll take a crack at it.
I’m one of those “pathetic” men you feel so inclined to insult. I just touched down in NYC and went through a day of travel to get here.
This article (I use the term loosely) is not accurate by any means; nor does Roosh advocate sexual misconduct. Actually he has clearly stated, verbatim, that one must respect a woman’s choice to say “no.”
David quotes Roosh’s own admission that he is guilty of rape. It’s in the post you seem to have only skimmed over. The line, ‘… I know that when it comes to sex, one ounce of hesitation or a feeling of morality will get me nothing.’ is not something that anyone who respects the word ‘no’ would say.
Men are not “pathetic” for being concerned about the increasingly anti-male hostility I see these days, the damage done to relationships/datibg/families and more…along with the the triumph of emotion-based outrage & outrageous attacks on people’s livelihoods and character over simple words. We are living in an increasingly anti-male, gynocentric, morally bankrupt society where both men and women suffer in the long term.
Anti-male entitlement, not Anti-male. Now let’s look at some recent livelihoods destroyed by simple words, shall we?
Tim Hunt, Nobel prize winner, made a sexist joke. Simple words? Hunt has been in labs for decades, are we to believe that his statement that women don’t belong in labs because they cry, fall in love with you, or you fall in love with them never affected his behavior in a lab? Not only that, he made that joke at a conference for women in STEM! But Hunt does need to make a living, good thing the position he lost was an honorary, unpaid, non-tenured position he held at the university’s whim. Good thing he still has his doctorate, and his Nobel money too.
Sweet Cakes by Melissa, an Oregon bakery that recently paid $135,000 for turning away a lesbian couple. Livelihood destroyed over the words ‘we don’t do gay weddings’? Hardly. They’ve since made twice that amount in donations, money given in reward for harassing a family, violating state discrimination laws, and exposing innocent children to hatred.
And you know what, you are pathetic. Not only for paying an admitted rapist for dating advice, but for crying foul when things have barely shifted away from your favor. Men still dominate in politics, business, religion, sports, and entertainment in this country. Men aren’t the ones undergoing prostate exams in order to buy condoms, men aren’t the ones expected to remain chaste but not prudish, and men aren’t the ones harassed by online hate movements run by your fellow travelers.
Roosh happens to be a well-read, well-traveled man who is one of the first to give men a venue to discuss issues that concern us.
This is one of the reasons David laughs at this lecture tour. There is no shortage of venues for for cranky, frustrated men to complain. You even complain in forums that explicitly aren’t for whiney dudebros. Tim Hunt did it at a conference for women, and Ron Lindsay did it at a women’s conference as well. Look on Twitter, Tumblr, YouTube, Reddit, at all the posts whining ‘what about the men?’ ‘I’m an equalist, not a feminist.’ You’re being heard, we just recognise it as shit.
Whether or not you agree or disagree with something he has written about gives no justification to make false claims. I respect a man who goes out and earns his experiences; others simply sit on the sidelines and criticize, and quite viciously I might add (from the comfort of a keyboard of course). I could point out that you’ve made some vicious criticisms from behind a keyboard, but I won’t.
I make this comment knowing the type of people here cannot be reasoned with, but I do so to show the type of man who would attend this event.
I for one already knew the type of man who would attend the lecture of a rapist, and your comment has not disappointed me.
Hmm, sorry Diogenes. Seem to have misspelled your name.
Yikes. I didn’t realize the effect those deep dream pics were having. Sorry! I’ll stop posting them.
Well, at least you admit to being pathetic. That’s a good start. Unfortunately, the rest of your shitpost was so lacking in self-awareness (not to mention awareness of what Roosh really is and what he’s really advocating — namely, VIOLENT CRIME) that it doesn’t bear tackling.
Get help, and I don’t mean pickup tips.
@Paradoxical Intention Fair enough, I mean that’s what this site is all about after all
It’s just that that troll was rather bland; in denial, poor white cis man defending a (insert euphemism here) from a overly emotional mob of mean feminist is pretty much applicable to everyone of these poor misunderstood assholes.
Also, holy shit 50 bucks plus airplane expenses to see roosh, why?
This degenerate is giving others advice on living in a ‘degenerate’ world…?
I guess it’s fitting somehow.
Dear GetItGoing,
I regret to inform you that I feel sorry for your purchase of a ticket to a diatribe the likes of which you could easily read from the comfort and safety of your own home. By regret, I really mean I could care less. At least it’s New York. I highly recommend getting some pizza while you are there. And, remember, tip your taxi well.
I also highly recommend skipping the show.
It really won’t be that illuminating.
Roosh can only say that women are worthless, and that the measure of a man is getting laid, only getting laid in this generation is soul sucking, and further such silliness in so many ways.
This ‘article’, or rather ‘blog entry to mock misogynists like the notorious Roosh’ is fairly accurate and consistent with many of the entries that Roosh has either written or allowed published on his blog, and in his books, and in his appearances in other forums. Which, sadly, is not the case of your comment, which is wildly inaccurate in its claim that Roosh has never advocated for sexual misconduct.
For the record, saying once upon a time that you must respect a woman’s “no”, if such a phrase has ever passed his lips, does not negate years of advising men to push women’s boundaries, especially their stated ‘no’, in order to get laid. It does not excuse him advocating preying on emotional weaknesses in order to berate or coerce women into participating in sexual encounters.
Men would not be considered ‘pathetic’ for worrying about problems in the world. For instance, worrying that their sons will get bullied for not being masculine enough. Or for worrying about the plight of young men incarcerated and facing physical abuse.
Your role model at most gives such problems lip service, if any service.
You state that you are not pathetic for worrying about the ‘outrageous attacks on people’s livelihoods and character over simple words’. Yet, these ‘simple words’ form the foundation of society itself. The words a person utters speak for their character. Roosh’s words over the past years have revealed him to be far more ‘morally bankrupt’ than the vast majority of modern society. His own words and his own actions have increased his own suffering, as illuminated by more of his own words, where he bemoans his ever increasing dissatisfaction with the life he leads.
Like the morally bankrupt character he is, he has yet to admit to any remorse over inflicting emotional damage on any of his ‘lovers’ or rather, ‘victims’.
If you are the type of man who would attend this event, I must admit I am not overwhelmed by the depth of knowledge and understanding of the situation you bring. If anything, I am disheartened to see how easily he has found young men to confound into repeating a vicious cycle that will ultimately lead to absolutely no greater joy, greater purpose, or greater enjoyment for anyone who gets trapped in it.
Here’s hoping you eventually learn better. Good luck.
And remember, be nice to the cabbies. Even if they are not nice to you. Also, tip your hotel’s room cleaning staff, or even just leave them a note saying “thanks for your work”.
Basically, try to be at least a bit of a nice person while you’re in New York.