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An Air Mattress, a Motorcycle, and a Flat-Screen TV: Living the dream, MGTOW-style

The good life?
The good life?

The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam celebrates the simple pleasures of

A Book of Verses underneath the Bough,
A Jug of Wine, a Loaf of Bread-and Thou

Reddit’s MGTOW contingent has a somewhat different notion of what constitutes the good life. It involves a motorcycle in one’s bedroom. 

Last week, one Man Going His Own Way proudly posted the photo above to the MGTOW subreddit, where it received more than 80 upvotes and pretty much universal acclaim.

“People always ask when I would leave this ‘narcissistic immature lifestyle’ behind and just man up and get married already,” he wrote. “Why would I want to wake up to anything other than this in my bedroom???”

Replacing the wine, bread, and poetry of Omar Khayyam’s little scene we have:

  • An air mattress
  • A motorcycle
  • A bigass flat-screen TV
  • A Playstation 4
  • Two video games

Replacing the tree, a Minecraft poster tacked to the wall.

Replacing “thou?” Whatever … that is on the bed, I guess.

You go, boy.

 

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alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

He refers to his motorcycle as “she”

Can he be a true MGTOW if he considers his motorcycle female though? Doesn’t that open him up to the risk that if he ever sells his motorcycle, a random judge will decide to reward it with half of everything that he has? Inquiring minds want to know.

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

Being involved in cosplay has made me a but less critical of sexy comic charters. I still hate what happened to starfire for example but Harley, poison ivy, and catwomen bug me alot less because I have friends who see them as something fun and liberating to dress up as, which made me realize that while the sexy bit can be taken to far, it isn’t always bad in the first place, not if it helps some people feel more comfortable with who they are themselves. (Although their poses are ridiculous, my friend threw out her back trying to copy a cover :p )

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago
Jo
Jo
6 years ago

From the rest of his reddit comments, he does seem to straddle the line between pitiful and contemptible, but for me the fact that he posts hate online is outweighed by the fact that he is avoiding women IRL.

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

Ok that link was quite a bit more then I was talking about, and has given me more ideas on what not to do in the comic I’m trying to write (if I ever can lol)

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

And sorry I’m jumping around so much, it is a flaw I have :p

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

He occasionally revs himself into a Ten Minute Hate so that he doesn’t forget how much he loathes women:

This is just so sad and terrible. If you have to rev yourself up and talk yourself into hating, maybe you ought to just choose not to hate? Why does he see hate as something really desirable?

Moocow
Moocow
6 years ago

@WWTH

Cause sadness, happiness, loneliness, fear, disappointment, empathy, cheeriness, envy, jealousy, carelessness, timidity, openness, sensitivity, pain and sorrow are for GIIIIIIIIIIIIIRLS.

The only emotions for manly mayuns are anger, apathy and arousal.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Robbed
Sorry about all that. I have seen ridiculous poses as well and I understand that sexy does go too far. Cosplay conferences can be very scary sometimes because of creeps and apologists but I’m really glad cuz I heard there are women/girl only spaces now.

Panda
…Un-frickin-believable????

Women/girls- “We find this sexist because there are countless of women and girls objectified including being decorations and killed. We think it’s alright for men and boys to look at women and girls and we just hope we will have less offensive games with more men catering to women and even gay men.

GamerDouches: “stop complaining about women being sexualized! Stop overreacting you don’t hear us complain! Don’t censor! Don’t take my sexy feeeeemales away! Freeze Peach! Down with Anita!” And etc, etc, etc and etc to several paragraphs long.

:sexy man comes out:

GamerDouches: “Noo! Eww! There is a man being sexualized! My ego! My masculinity! My precious game! Misandry! Sexism goes both ways! Oh what a world! Waah! Down with feminism! I’m going to create games that are misognist with sexy ladies see how they like being treated like objects!” And etc, etc, etc and etc to several paragraphs long.

I hope companies won’t take them seriously and just do what they want and I hope we get more male characters like that. I wish I can create my own games that would be cool.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

I want a Dead or Alive game but with guys instead of girls. And lots and lots of homoeroctica.

And I want it to be the best damn fighting game ever. Best controls, best graphics, best story, best voice acting–EVERYTHING so it has HUGE competitions and stuff.

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Panda
Maybe I didn’t look hard enough but all I found is this guy who is supposed to be sexy I guess.
http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dead-or-alive-5-sexy-pack-2-4.jpg
We can only hope or we can start working on it right now oh I’m getting excited thinking about it! 😀

Micharion
Micharion
6 years ago

Wait, only Vaan was the worst designed Final Fantasy hero? Did that guy seriously forget about Reks who wears what can only be described as a sports bra. Not to mention the thigh highs and short shorts. In fact for those wondering what Reks looks like. http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080225081631/finalfantasy/images/thumb/3/35/Reks.jpg/175px-Reks.jpg This was a guy in an army by the way.

itsabeast
itsabeast
6 years ago

@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs

No worries–it was clear that you hadn’t seen my comment before posting yours. I can see why you’d anticipate a lot of people arguing in bad faith (being that they just want to counter any and all opposition to MGTOW’s) calling out this post for similar (apparent) reasons to mine. I mean assuming manosphere types still bother coming over here and also get through the moderation.

Shaenon
6 years ago

Man, young misogynists are the worst. There’s just no excuse.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Fruitloopsie

He’s pretty sexy. He just needs to be in a sexier pose with sexier clothes, that’s all. Just not objectified enough.

@Micharion

FF9 – Kuja

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/__icsFiles/artimage/2007/12/27/pc_fc_n_gs/071228dis01.jpg

Micharion
Micharion
6 years ago

@Panda Kind of embarrassing that I actually did forget about him. Which is weird since Queen Brahne even makes mention of his rather androgynous looks with her girly man comment. Still have no idea where he hides that tail though since that outfit really doesn’t leave much to the imagination.

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

I’m a guy, well physically at least, like I said confused. But I have been groped at cosplay events, more often by girls then guys. Last year was really bad but no problems this year 🙂 so yay for more security

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

@Fruitloopsie
I think that is a dynasty warriors character (or samurai or one of the spin offs)
those games has some overly sexual female characters but are getting better with new outfits, not some much dlc but the men also fit into various fantasy roles. They are roles with more clothes but I think it’s supposed to be classic Japanese manly roles. And modern sex appeal roles. Sometimes the two are shown differently, especially with games from other countries.

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

Ps: Oh and that would be a kill massive waves of grunts with no blood game, not a fighting game.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

Still have no idea where he hides that tail though since that outfit really doesn’t leave much to the imagination.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/creepster.gif

Binjabreel
6 years ago

“I have recently learned that people uncomfortable with their own life tend to worry about others. The man who enjoys himself and his life frets not about the life of others.”

Says the guy whose psychic engine is apparently powered by hating the way women live their lives.

Just wouldn’t be complete without the total self-awareness fail, eh?

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
6 years ago

These are great examples. I don’t remember playing any final fantasy games except I played some kingdom heart games with final fantasy characters in them. I’m not much of a person who likes to brag but I did defeat maleficent when I was only 8 when my brother couldn’t defeat her. He was 18.????

Robjec
Gross, sorry that happened and happy there were no problems this year. Yay security! And thanks for the info.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

Getting around to actually read Robjec comments and my choice of joke and gif probably wasn’t timed the best. Sorry about that. >>;

msexceptiontotherule
6 years ago

“Methinks the m-gto- doth protest too much.” (certain letters excluded on purpose).

sn0rkmaiden
6 years ago

@kellyrtillson,

thank you. I am currently indocrinating Snork Junior (aged 4) into the wonderfulness of the Moomins.

As for the OP, I certainly don’t fret about his life choices, but I do feel profoundly sorry for someone who uses hatred as a motivating force in their lives, how can he experience joy and contentment when he seems to regard any positive emotion as a weakness? That said, I feel even more sorry for his coworkers, he must be hell to deal with on a daily basis.

I didn’t know it was possible to rent an above ground apartment without windows, being deprived of natural light in his home is going to make his depression a lot worse.

But as for fretting? No, I’m busy fretting about other people, whom I would genuinely like to help but can’t, like the Syrian refugees or the citizens of Greece.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Thankfully, Square Enix recognized how uncomfortable it would be for men to play as a character who was designed as a sexual object before an active, heroic subject, and announced today that they had modified his design.

This also reminds me of the character line-up for the upcoming FFXV. I’ve seen arguments made over how the dude-centric cast was meant to cater to the female gamer gaze and isn’t becoming just one big Boys Club… except that they don’t seem to be overly sexualized and spend most of the trailers on some kind of bro road trip in a flash car.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/image/upload/c_fill,h_405,w_720/t_mp_quality/final-fantasy-xv-21278-1920×1080-final-fantasy-15-why-are-fans-so-angry-about-ffxv-jpeg-251035.jpg
Two whole token ladies!

And then I saw the design for ‘Cid’, one of the only female characters shown. Apparently now changed to Cindy because I don’t fucking know.

What. The. FUCK.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

He occasionally revs himself into a Ten Minute Hate so that he doesn’t forget how much he loathes women

Isn’t this the same brain-washing technique used in Orwell’s ‘1984’?

keshkirshkinra
6 years ago

I need a bit of help. I have made the mistake of adding anti-mra taggs to a post on tumblr and am getting a horrendous amount of idiocy that I have no idea how to engage or disengage from. This is the response that is most ludicrous (at this point in time) http://fuck-no-bullshit.tumblr.com/post/124062955971/itszombiebear-fuck-no-bullshit and i need advice and or help

Fred_the_Dog
6 years ago

What kind of person thinks all of one group are totally irredeemable? Not one I’d ever want to know, for sure. Please, dude, go your own way and hermit yourself away from the rest of the people.

davidknewton
davidknewton
6 years ago

Hi keshkirshkinra – by engaging/disengaging, do you want advice on how to respond, or do you want to turn off responses? If you want to turn it off, I think there’s a browser extension called Tumblr Savior that you can use to block certain tags.

maistrechat
6 years ago

I want to add another voice to the futon love crowd. As someone whose generally furniture-averse (the couch usually serves as a back rest while sitting on the floor, for example) (Japanese-style, not fold-out couch style) futons are great and I find them way more comfortable than beds.

Falconer
6 years ago

I know this is old, sorry.

(And I don’t think Minecraft’s on PS3 as far as I’m aware because Microsoft now owns it, so he must either play it on his computer, or he has an XBox off-camera.)

That’d be news to Beloved, seeing as how she’s built a whole city in the clouds for her testificates on our PS3. Took her days to get them all up there by leaving a trail of doors.

Then she was trying to build Atlantis, and now she’s trying to build a portal network through the Nether. It involves lots of cussing (but quietly so she doesn’t wake the wee ones).

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Motorcycle Man, whose screen name on reddit btw is SergeantDickhead

Because MajorDickhead would have been too obvious, amirite?

He is 23 years old

He recently graduated college and works full-time “in management”

Judging by that apartment, it’s only a fast-food or pizza joint. Or a very small retail outlet. Not much else that one CAN manage at that age and just out of college, I imagine. Smells like he’s trying to make the best of a rather pitiful situation.

He lives in a 420 sq ft efficiency apartment with no windows and “loves it”

What did I say? When life hands you lemons, pretend they’re realllllllly sweet. #winning

He refers to his motorcycle as “she”

…because OF COURSE HE WOULD. It’s the only time he ever gets to have the illusion of being in control of something feeeeemale, right?

And it’s not like THAT hasn’t been done by countless other douchey bros before him, either.

He is really into cooking, especially bread, and takes a culinary class

Let’s hope he doesn’t discover McLovin’s Rubber Chicken. Otherwise, he’ll truly become insufferable.

(In all seriousness, though, at least he’s learning to cook for himself. That puts him miles ahead of the rest of them. I wonder how long it will take before one of them calls him a mangina for taking up “women’s work”.)

As a younger man he took “The Red Pill” and became a practicing PUA

But he learned that he didn’t really like women and only had a biological urge to have sex with them

Color me so not shocked…I mean, that’s only what ALL of them are like.

And PUAs don’t really like women either, or else they wouldn’t be all like “pump ’em and dump ’em.”

So he became a MGTOW and uses porn two minutes a day in the morning “as a useful object that keeps me away from women”

Okay, that’s just pathetic. And it doesn’t do a thing to help that “immature guy who has a lot of growing up to do” image he’s cultivating, either.

And it won’t be long before he gets sick of THAT, because it’s a total dead end.

He has struggled with depression but feels that MGTOW philosophy has helped him “find its source and exile the cause through logical thinking”

Dude, ever think that the Red Pill is, in fact, a major downer? And that the “exile” mentality is only going to make matters worse?

He occasionally revs himself into a Ten Minute Hate so that he doesn’t forget how much he loathes women:

“A year and a half later, I prefer to piss myself off about women sometimes. It keeps me vigilant to the bullshit. Coming “to peace” and forgetting about women takes my wall down. I don’t like the feeling of being copacetic With women.”

…as I was saying: NOT HELPING. In fact, deliberately working yourself into a hate-boner is gonna seriously damage this guy. I’m starting to feel really sorry for him.

He knows about this post on Mammoth and has this to say about it:

“I have recently learned that people uncomfortable with their own life tend to worry about others. The man who enjoys himself and his life frets not about the life of others.”

And yet, there you are, dude. Fretting yourself about women and pretending not to care. And projecting that onto us.

I really do feel sorry for you. Get help, and I don’t mean from Paul Fucking Elam.

sevenofmine
6 years ago

@ keshkirshkinra

Regarding the statistics that guy cited, I don’t know what specific study he’s referencing with the 80% of abuse cases being female on male but I bet it uses the Conflict Tactic Scale which is incredibly flawed. It just counts violent actions and then pretends as if they’re all equivalent. If a man chokes a woman that counts as 1 violent act. If that same woman kicks him 3 times and punches him 4 times trying to get away, she’s committed 7 violent acts. It does a similar thing with injuries. It counts the bruises she left punching and kicking him to get away as no different from the damage to her throat. It also only goes back a year. So it completely obscures context and allows people to claim women are committing more domestic violence than men.

With regard to his CDC stat that 51% of rape victims are men I’m going to guess he’s referring to this: here . The relevant tables are at the bottom of page 18, top of page 19. Looking at lifetime numbers, even if you include forced penetration and sexual coercion in the numbers of male victims, you still have about half as many male victims as female. If you look at the past 12 months it’s closer but the number of male victims is still significantly less. Further, he says he’s cross referencing prison rape statistics but you’d have to count literally the entire male prison population in the US to get the numbers to match. Add to that the fact that prison populations are single sex and thus not representative of the general population which makes it unreasonable to include prison rapes at all.

Robjec
Robjec
6 years ago

@pandapool
don’t worry about it.

@whoever said mine craft wouldn’t be on Playstation. No that would be a really bad business decision, since Microsoft paid so much for the inbuilt customers and the fact that it already sells on all platforms.

sevenofmine
6 years ago

To clarify the last sentence of my last post: I didn’t mean to imply prison rape isn’t a horrible thing. Just that it’s kind of its own thing.

Falconer
6 years ago

@Micharion:

Still have no idea where he hides that tail though since that outfit really doesn’t leave much to the imagination.

Well, presumably it’s prehensile because Zidane’s is. I bet a prehensile tail would be easy to tuck.

@Pandapool:

I’m trying to take in that post, but I am going to have to take a minute here and sit and digest Edea in a hair-flashing bikini bottom.

keshkirshkinra
6 years ago

@sevenofmine @davidknewton

Thanks both of you. That does help.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

@robjec,

I’m really sorry to hear about your experiences at cons. I’m happy that they’re upping security, and I hope that it keeps you from getting groped again.

@sevenofnine and keshkirshkinra,

I’ve never seen a Conflict Tactic Study that claimed that 80% of domestic abusers are women. All the studies that I’ve seen that use that metric have only determined that half or 40% of victims of domestic abuse are men. Given that he mysteriously can’t link to this study because he’s on his phone (even though one can easily do searches on smartphones, which I assume he has because he’s able to post on tumblr through his phone), I’m guessing that he’s just plain making it up. I’d demand to see the study and call bullshit on its existence if and until he can produce it. Then, when you see the study, if it does use CTS, I’d point that out.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

I’m trying to take in that post, but I am going to have to take a minute here and sit and digest Edea in a hair-flashing bikini bottom.

http://media3.giphy.com/media/118F7nEgnxapYQ/200w_d.gif

sevenofmine
6 years ago

@ alaisvex

Fair enough. I did think the 80% figure was a bit high but, in my experience, when people start making claims about women perpetrating domestic violence as much as or more than men, CTS is usually involved. I definitely agree that the way to go is insist on actually seeing the study. Odds are it’s methodologically flawed in some fashion even if it’s not a CTS study. Or it’s a legit study which just doesn’t show what he claims it does. All of which is assuming it’s an actual study at all. If he’s going to go around lecturing other people on what the facts are he should be prepared to link to his sources and not expect people to believe a bunch of numbers he just pulled out of his ass.

Falconer
6 years ago

@Panda: Sorry. I was just disturbed by the outfit.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Falconer

I was teeeaaasing, dear. Lol. I knew what you meant.

alaisvex
alaisvex
6 years ago

@sevenofnine,

Completely agree with all of that. And thanks for an explanation of where he seemed to be getting his rape statistics.

Falconer
6 years ago

@Falconer

I was teeeaaasing, dear. Lol. I knew what you meant.

I guess I should just presume that unless someone is actually going hey Falconer, fuck you, I’m good.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

@Falconer

Pretty much. We’d call you out. We owe you that much. ;D

BeyondOcean
BeyondOcean
6 years ago

I’m sorry, but this post is way out of line.

I get that this guy is another reprehensible MRA. But the post is not about his views or his stupid “ten minutes of hate”.

In the post itself I see someone trying to be happy, maybe overtly, with their life, despite society’s shaming to “man up and get married already”.

Then, David and some of the commentators are more than happy to join in on the shaming. Again, no word about misogyny there, just mocking of his possessions and lifestyle.

“My TV is bigger than that. I have more games too, and an actual bed. It’s so nice having an educated, independent spouse to share the burdens of life with. It seems like this man would benefit more from a dual income than he would going his own way.” made my day though (not). I though it wasn’t you who’s supposed to be calling people beta manginas?

Someone eventually digs up actual misogyny by that guy and post it in the comments. Why the hell is it not in the post?

As it is, this is disgusting. I’ve been reading this blog for the better part of this year, and I’ve come to expect effing more…

Flint
Flint
6 years ago

“In the post itself I see someone trying to be happy, maybe overtly, with their life, despite society’s shaming to “man up and get married already”.”

I agree with almost everything else you said, but this part was just dumb. Last time I checked, I don’t remember the whole of civilization throwing a fit when they found out a man was single.

guest
guest
6 years ago

Hey, nothing wrong with calling your motorcycle ‘she’. It was a big secret with the motorcyclists I used to hang out with, but they’d all named their bikes, and if they trusted you enough they’d tell you the name. I remember one lovely man had named his bike Yorick–‘He hath bore me on his back a thousand times’. I had a theory that the gender of your bike’s name related to your sexual orientation; I’ve got two, one has a masculine name and one has a feminine name…..

dudeinthewoods
dudeinthewoods
6 years ago

I don’t have bikes but I name all my firearms, some have female names, others have male names. The one I use most is simply named “Sidekick.”

We also named our SxS quad “Starbug”