It’s amazing just how quickly a visit to 4chan’s /pol/ board can strip you of any lingering faith in humanity.
Consider the following 4chan “infographic” posted recently on Twitter:
A quick Google search of the language in this graphic led me to an archived 4chan thread, where this particular “argument,” and the graphic itself, seem to have originated, making it exceedingly unlikely that (as per the small print on the graphic) “Prof. Owl” is actually a “married father of four daughters and three sons” and exceedingly likely that he is instead an overgrown adolescent nursing a giant grudge against women.
The good news is that not everyone in /pol/ agreed with Prof. Owl’s reprehensible views; the not-so-good news is that their views on rape were often just as reprehensible.
So let’s take a look at some of the, er, highlights of /pol/’s debate on the proposition that rape is “nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.”
1) Prof. Owl’s contribution
2) “The true male equivalent of rape is not rape, but rather paternity fraud.”
3) “We live in a cunt overglorification culture thus it’s blown completely out of proportion.”
In case you’re wondering, here’s what this fella’s graphic says:
4) “It is actually more traumatic for men … Getting forced to accept a dick in the anus shows that that man is not able to protect anything. Which makes him unqualified for mating.”
5) “Rape is significantly less traumatic than being jumped by a gang of nigs.”
6) “The violence should be punished of course. But the heterosexual rape itself only minimally.”
7) “If people just stopped their victim privilege and lend a help to someone who is raping them and just went with the flow. There wouldn’t be any rape incidents.”
(I’m really hoping that this guy is being sarcastic, but sadly I think he probably isn’t.)
8) “My female friend told me it was a complete turn off for her if someone asked her directly if she wanted to have sex, which … feminazis completely ignore.”
9) “Maybe I’m just an old fashioned guy with a sense of historical perspective. Rape may not be so bad.”
10) “I was raped once, and it was really unpleasant when it started. But then after I let myself go and loosened up it actually felt quite good.”
11) “There is no such thing as rape. … There is only the fair and equal redistribution of pussy.”
12) “I’d be mad if I were raped, but as long as I wasn’t injured or infected I’d get over it pretty quick”
13) “When a woman is raped her entire identity (her vagina) is being stolen for free, when usually you’d have to buy her shit, date her, marry her or whatever.”
14) “It undercuts their princess status.”
15) “Who /rapist/ here? I’ve raped 7 girls”
Please, please, please let this asshole be trolling.
H/T — r/againstmensrights
Victim…privilege?
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*incoherent screaming and swearing*
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Excuse me while I go vomit up my lunch. I hate humanity and wish to become a fruit bat.
Okay, I’m back, and I’m in a rotten mood. Let’s see how much of this shit I can blaze through now:
Considering that sometimes, being raped IS being jumped by a gang (of whatever color of males), I’m gonna go with FUCK NO for $2000, Alex.
Because rape is, in itself, NEVER a violence? Well, then. I guess this guy won’t mind if someone were to hold him down and forcibly insert hard, unlubricated objects in his orifices, will he?
Oh wait, he probably would, because look at the use of “heterosexual” in that context. Obviously, he thinks it’s only homosexuals who get objects inserted into them. Because gays = girls. Riiiiiight.
WHAT FUCKING “VICTIM PRIVILEGE”??? Victims have NO privilege. That’s why they’re victims, you fucking asswipe.
And no, “just go with the flow” doesn’t help anything or anyone. Except maybe the rapist, who’s already more than likely to get away with it as is.
Hey idiot, what she probably meant was that if a guy just approached random women asking for sex, he’d get turned down, because nobody just accepts random dudes demanding sex out of the blue. What the fuck did you think she meant?
And no, there’s no such thing as “implicit” consent. You can just say, when the mood seems right, “Hey, you wanna?” and if the answer is yes, then you just got explicit consent. How fucking hard IS that for you, Sherlock?
Or maybe you’re just a pustulent dickfester with no sense of perspective whatsoever, and who should not be with anyone EVER. Because I fail to see what “may not be so bad” about something that can immediately result in catastrophic injuries and emotional trauma, and/or may later leave someone pregnant and/or infected with an STD that will either kill them or never be got rid of. And that’s not even counting PTSD, which is an entirely natural and logical response to something like this. As is fighting back violently and maybe killing the rapist in so doing — which, frankly, would be a best-case scenario.
There’s yer “perspective”, motherfucker.
COOL STORY, BRO. Why are you telling it in Troll Central, where liars are thicker on the ground than dirt?
Dude, get your non-working fuck-fingers off my socialism. And no, you do not get to “control the means of reproduction”, EVER. Vagina belongs to vagina owner, not penis owner. Got that?
O RLY? Dude, you’re only a dude, and a not terribly bright one at that. What the fuck would you know?
And what gives you the right to dictate how an actual victim should act?
The answer to both questions is the same: NOTHING.
My vagina is not my “entire identity” by a long shot. And no, when you commit rape on whoever’s vagina, it’s not being “stolen for free” (from the Dept. of Redundancy Dept., no doubt) — it’s being penetrated by someone who is not wanted there. That someone is YOU. And YOU are a criminal.
And no, “buying her shit” won’t change that.
WHAT FUCKING “PRINCESS STATUS”? Actually, it only reinforces the peon status we’ve held — wrongfully — forfuckingEVER.
I hope the FBI sees that. In fact, I hope they see the entire thread. Chances are that a huge backlog of rape kits could be cleared just by rounding up all the channers and DNA-testing them.
I… I read the headline as “Did you know that there is no proof that
punishingrape is actually beneficial for a society?” and experienced a brief shining moment of hope.On the appropriate criminal punishment for rape, I recall reading that Australia (or a state thereof) briefly contemplated or implemented a life sentence for convicted rapists. The (proposed?) law was protested by women’s groups concerned it would remove all incentive for rapists to leave their victims alive*.
::throws hands in air:: it’s a heinous crime that needs to be taken much more seriously, but the extension of criminal sentences might have some seriously bad unintended consequences.
*My Google-fu is failing me but I believe I read it in ‘Islamophobia in Australia’ by Alice Aslan; the more informed here should definitely correct me.
tl;dr: everything sucks
Imperator: I love your handle.
@Katz
thanks 🙂
@Paradoxical
I am mentally hugging you SO MUCH right now.
Since when did anyone have a problem or was protesting against sex bots? Those guys want to fuck a toaster…go ahead. Get all crispy. As long as you leave the rest of humanity alone, you can go through all your kitchen appliances.
I get the feeling this is an argument along the MGTOW line: “Oh you’d hate this if we did it, you’d hate us not being involved…wait, you don’t have a problem? Oh yes you do, you just don’t realise it yet…”
Presumably this toaster.
That’s a sexy toaster.
They always claim we’re terrified of being replaced by sexbots. The only people I hear talking about them is the manosphere. I’ve never heard a feminist or any woman express terror at the prospect of sexbots.
I thought a bunch of feminists would be happy if sexbots got invented, so that misogynistic men could shut the fuck up already and stop bothering us.
These guys are fucknuggets. One thing I’m curious about and should really look it up. Has any country talked about teaching consent and what consitutes and doesn’t constitute it to school children?
I know that it wouldn’t help against scum like these, but the more I read about this the more I think lessons in consent should start as early as possible.
Can we name it Georgia O’ Keefe?
Evil person that I am, I immediately pictured a MGHOW in a blender, whirring away at full speed. And smiled.
No, I don’t s’pose I do…and I hope I never do.
Honestly, no one would miss these shitfuckers.
The sad thing is these are not extremists….they’re NORMAL within the Moralless Righteous Asswipe Movement.
I pictured that graphic scene from this “Real Life ER” show my grandma was watching on the fourth. A lady put her hand in the blender to get something out, and she leaned over and accidentally hit the “pulse” button.
I almost threw up my BBQ. They got REALLY graphic with the visuals.
(I pointed it out to my grandma that she likes this stuff, but can’t stand horror movies, and I like horror movies, but can’t stand that stuff. We had a laugh about it.)
To quote “Going Postal” by Terry Pratchett on the efficacy of the death penalty:
I suspect a lot of the people who are commenting on the efficacious nature of imprisonment against rape recidivism are very much commenting about what could be stated the “specificality” of the punishment – namely, while the criminal in question is imprisoned, they generally aren’t raping people. As Mr Trooper points out, it is very hard to find evidence of crimes not committed, so any discussion of deterrence has to happen very much at the individual level (as in “what would stop you from doing this again?”). However, it has to be accepted that a lot of people who are repeat offenders in this case aren’t going to stop – in the worst cases, they will continue to offend any time they’re released on parole (see any number of examples – the killer of Jill Meagher is probably the best known one here in Australia) and won’t stop until they’re dead.
(Incidentally, while in Ankh-Morpork, the death penalty may possibly be able to be appealed – see Mr Slant, the zombie lawyer, for details – here on Roundworld it isn’t, which is why I object to it on principle. I also object to mutilation as a punishment for very similar reasons – it’s rather hard to re-attach bits when you discover someone’s made a mistake somewhere along the line.)
As with all violent crimes (including rape), the main correlation is between attitudes of entitlement and violent actions – the people who habitually commit violent crimes believe they’re entitled to do these things, because of who they are, what happened to them as children, who their victims are, or what their victims were doing at the time. So what we need to do is start working on changing the social conversations which say there are excuses for acting in a violent fashion.
At least in America we put the cart before the horse. People talking about tougher punishment for crimes. The fact is that punishment is not a deterrent, rather that the idea that punishment will be swift in coming is. Give the poor records of investigations even with a victim who is brave enough to come forward, it’s very easy to see why, The US justice system is a failure.
Hey I’ve been reading this for a month or two now, and lurking on the comments a lot but it’s my first post. I just wanted to say a bit off topic but some people have said here and elsewhere that no one will protest sex dolls, well it has kind of happened once, there’s this this called real dolls, which is supposed to be kind of intellect sex dolls or have personality or something along that line, not really sure. But they are the closest things to sex dolls now, I think ( I don’t look this up I just know about this one controversy)
See they made 2 or 3 personalities which were rape victims, and which were immediately protested, so yes people have protested sex dolls.
I doubt the people using this as a defense will realize/care it was for normalizing rape (I belive the company’s stance was “It will reduce rape because they can get their power rush from something that’s not real, and then this got involved with docussions on what happens when robots are as smart as people and can feel, ect)
Tldr: people have protested sex bots for being fake rape victims, it’s horrible but may be what these guys are referring too. Also ewww.
Females make up 50% of the population but control 100% of the vaginas?* Ummmm…maybe that’s because vaginas are part of our bodies? I can’t help but read that what the ‘I am the 50%’ guy who calls for the ‘equal redistribution of pussy’ is really saying is that both men and women should be born with half a vagina each. I’ll grant that his post sounds almost too well-constructed to be genuine and I would have no trouble believing it was satire. It would be so much better if it were satire.
*He obviously isn’t including transmen who may have vaginas. Also I’m assuming the poster identifies as a ‘he’.
Vikings had laws against rape. So much for their “historical perspective.”
I do feel that a custodial sentence is a deterrent, having received all manner of fines, community service, group attendance and duty Sargent desk telling off thingies (I can’t remember what it’s called on of the English Legal people can probably remind me), I know that I’m more than likely to receive a custodial sentence. That knowledge made me turn around my perspective on committing common assaults – I will stress that in the main they were pub thuggery and being lary at demos and rallies.
From my own perspective I would never consider that I was entitled to perform act of violence and aggression, I would say that there was an enablement, my childhood and upbringing enabled me but not entitled me. My time in the army enabled me to perform some rather nasty things but never entitled me.
Hmm! Maybe this is in some part has caused a (semi) successful rehabilitation as I don’t expect to be entitled to anything.
I realise that this is going slightly off topic as rape, sexual violence and sexual assault are very strongly held boundaries of mine and so I can’t put myself into the mindset of men who do commit such acts and when I’ve been out and about with fellas who express the opinions like the ones we’re all criticising is generally when I end up thumping the fuckers and get myself into trouble.
I’ve found it very useful in reading peoples opinions and in many respects an Eye-opener for me, do thanks all. Downside is is that it has in part enabled me to justify (in my head), some things I’ve done in the past, but fortunately I can now silo it and say “not good – don’t use it, be mindful” Don’t get me wrong I’m not advertising myself as a white knight, that really is something I could never be, but wow, you lot are really insightful people, thank you.
@ autosoma
Does the phrase “Do you accept my award?” ring any bells? 🙂
I like the ‘award’ bit; makes it seem like you’ve won something.
Sorry Alan I can’t really remember what was said. I do remember thinking “blimey that’s a really high podium behind the custody desk, it must be designed for effect” and secondly “did my trousers are falling down and I don’t have knickers on” cos they hadn’t given me back my belt. They did let me keep the book I was reading at the time in the cell which was about the derivative markets.