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Happy Marriage Equality Day!

You meow kiss the bride. The other bride.
You meow kiss the bride. The other bride.

We’re taking a day off from the regular nonsense to celebrate marriage equality, which is now a thing in all states here in the USA.

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Josh Miller
Josh Miller
9 years ago

@ katz

Thank you. That’s very good to hear.

@ misseb47

“And for the lurking MRAs out there…”

Crazily enough, Dean Esmay has an article posted over at A Voice For Men claiming he’s always been about gay rights and that it’s the feminists that have always fought against it. They’ll do anything to twist things, won’t they? They’ll never accept defeat.

DonVoyage
9 years ago

Why does the WBC even bother? All they do is give people reasons to hate them. But that seems to be the intention, so I guess this is good for bitcoin.

katz
katz
9 years ago

That “or” should be an “and”. So, basically impossible.

My mistake. You are correct.

skybison
skybison
9 years ago

@Westborobaptistchurch

Yes it’s true, Jesus will be back soon…

… because he and Mohammad had this beautiful spot on the Mississippi they’d always dreamed of marring at, and now they finally can. 🙂

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

Honest question to anyone knowledgable: This being a Supreme Court ruling, there’s no higher authority in our country, legally speaking, so…can this be undone? The ruling can’t be challenged or appealed because the SC is the highest appellate court, right? Does the President have the power to challenge it (not that Obama would)? Or if a Republican gets elected in 2016 and places his/her own hand-picked justices on the bench, can the decision be reviewed then? I just don’t want this good news to be snatched away from the gay community and all those who have worked so tirelessly to achieve it. Can it be?

It can be undone by a constitutional amendment, which requires a supermajority of Congress or 3/4 of the states.

So, snowball’s chance in Hell.

Realtalk moment: the SCOTUS has zero enforcement power, and basically depends on the other branches to carry out its orders. Normally this goes off without a hitch, but there have been rulings in which the Executive and Legislative branches together said “fuck with it” and just ignored a SCOTUS ruling. All the SCOTUS could do was shake their tiny fists. They have no army or police force. The legislative veto was one such: it was ruled unconstitutional and the Congress kept on doing it, and the President didn’t raise a fuss, so the SCOTUS was left entirely without any way to stop it happening.

In this case, that is way unlikely to happen. Just to be clear. I think it’s essentially impossible for that to occur in this instance.

It is not, however, at all unthinkable for state governments to refuse to abide by it even though the federal government is willing to enforce compliance. That’s when you see the National Guard deployed. Brown v. Board of Education comes to mind.

Nequam
Nequam
9 years ago

I guess that’s the thing– after the grisly news of last week I am trying to be unreservedly happy about this but I can’t shake the feeling that some kind of nasty backlash is going to erupt like a shit geyser.

Which pisses me off, because this is unabashedly a Good Thing.

Anne
Anne
9 years ago

In Denmark we had same sex marriage for a long time. Jesus hasn’t returned. Deal with it MRAs, fundies and Stormlanders.

Luzbelitx
9 years ago
Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

In Denmark we had same sex marriage for a long time. Jesus hasn’t returned. Deal with it MRAs, fundies and Stormlanders.

Denmark isn’t America. You might be surprised by how closely the USA figures in some American fundamentalist eschatology (or, perhaps not). The United States is the “beast from the earth” in Revelations 13:11-18. Go read the verses; you’d be forgiven for wondering why in the hell anyone would think that, but there is an entire theology wrapped around that identification.

Denmark is clearly not the beast from the earth, so whatevs, Denmark! You do you, but you’re not important in the end of days!

misseb47
misseb47
9 years ago

Josh Miller-Huh, what? LOL! That’s projection at it’s finest. Yep, they really do know how to twist things around!

weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

There’s definitely been issues especially in the past but also currently of feminists not always being inclusive to lesbians and trans women. But I’ve never actually seen a group of feminists organizing against marriage equality. I haven’t seen feminists be anything but celebratory today.

What planet does Dean actually live on?

skybison
skybison
9 years ago

Well there are some versions that claim the European Union is the Beast. See the EU used to consist of 7 countries, and the Beast has 7 heads: PROOF. But then the EU expanded to 10 countries, and the Beast has 10 horns: PROOF! Then the EU expanded to 28 countries and … something: PROOF.

Plus the book of Revelation pretty much says that the beast is a metaphor for the roman empire, so that obviously means the the modern day EU because they are basically the same thing.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@skybison

*sighs* Fundamentalists.

skybison
skybison
9 years ago

@ Pandapool

I know

I actually knew a guy in the early 2000s who thought Silvio Berlusconi was a strong canidate for the anti-christ. Which too be fair, satanic powers was the only explanation for how he was able to run Italy for so long.

Snuffy
Snuffy
9 years ago

Congratulations USA! Hopefully more LGBT victories to come 🙂

https://twitter.com/SuggBoots/status/614611211196436480

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

@skybison

You’re thinking about the beast from the sea. That’s the one with seven horns and ten heads. Everyone knows
the beast from the sea is the Catholic Church. I mean, duh.

Leum
Leum
9 years ago

The other way the ruling could be undone is if someone later files a case on the same point that makes it to the Supreme Court; that is, the Court can overturn itself. The thing is, I don’t think there’s any way someone could have the standing to appeal, so it’s a virtual impossibility.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
9 years ago

@PoM

*sighs and pinches nose* This is why I don’t like people who try to prophesize from the bible. There is too many ways to interrupt shit. How the fuck do you know if you’re right if a passage can spring 50000 million different religions and sects?

Miss Andry
9 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

He’s from the planet Fedora; a planet where feminism and LGBTQ rights never intersect and, actually, are diametrically opposed. Seriously, I’ve read his article, and without a doubt he knows nothing of the gay rights movement. An excellent book on the subject, for those interested, is Victory by Linda Hirshman. And of course there was friction between gay men and lesbians as they fought for civil rights, but then again that occurred during the Civil Rights movement for black Americans as well. I guess the complicated history of the gay rights movement can just be shoved aside in favor of foaming at the mouth and screeching about how “feminism is racist” and “gay men aren’t your property, feminists!” Um, who said they were, Dean? Do you have some imaginary straw feminist whispering awful things in your ear?

Miss Andry
9 years ago

Damn, usually I’m pretty decent about tags in a post but, eh, I’m sleepy so…whatever. Let’s just keep the gay party goin’:

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

How the fuck do you know if you’re right if a passage can spring 50000 million different religions and sects?

You know by listening to some other goob who has 18 in Charisma and tells you what you want to hear about how you are not actually super-privileged, but the last remnant and highly persecuted reading the plain test of the Bible. Duh.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

reading the plain test of the Bible

There is a nonzero possibility that I’ve had a little bit to drink tonight. I think I can be excused. And, because I’m from Kentucky, it would of course involve bourbon, if it were to happen, which is, as I’ve said, of a nonzero chance.

Mwa
Mwa
9 years ago

@Josh, SC rulings can over-rule prior SC rulings. The most prominent example is the Plessy v Ferguson ruling (which concluded that separate can be equal) which was superseded by Brown v Board of Education (which ruled that separate is inherently unequal). Dred Scot decision worked the same way.

suffrajitsu
suffrajitsu
9 years ago

RE: enforceability: gay *sex* was officially legalized in all 50 states exactly 12 years ago today, and several states still have sodomy laws on the books :/ These things take time (POM mentioned Brown v. Board of Education)

Still, I’m happy. Really, really happy. It wasn’t that long ago my state had Prop 8, so, yay! #LoveWins

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