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Will a meme celebrating single mothers bring about the end of civilization? One Men’s Rightser says “yes.”

Men: A bunch of angry panda impersonators?
Men: A bunch of angry panda impersonators?

On Fathers Day, somewhere on the internet, the following meme was posted:

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The Men’s Rights subreddit reacted, as it so often does, with manly indignation: how dare these women take our Fathers Day from us! Even by normal Men’s Rights standards for empty outrage this seems a bit much. After all, it’s not exactly news that a lot of women raise their kids by themselves, when the fathers of their children, refuse to act as, well, fathers to their children. Indeed, “financial abortions” — that is, consequence-free child abandonment for men — is one of the central demands of the Men’s Rights movement. 

But to one anonymous commenter on the Men’s Rights subreddit, this meme could well be the final insult that transforms the men of the world into angry panda impersonators destroying everything within reach.

According to this anonymous observer,

this really scares me, enough that I wake up at night thinking about it.

Wait. You wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat thinking about … a meme?

No one could deny that there is open warfare on men all throughout western society. Whether or not it is deserved is somewhat irrelevant (you’ll see why in a second). There’s a minority of men who are alarmed but the vast majority just doesn’t have this on their radar…yet. This is mostly because it doesn’t affect them directly.

How can there be “open warfare” on men if most men haven’t even noticed it? Has there ever been a war in which the majority of those ostensibly affected by it don’t even know that it exists?

But never mind, because “[t]hat’s all going to change soon.”

Mixing his metaphors with wild abandon, this anonymous Men’s Rights Nostradamus predicts that

It won’t be long until the inroads that feminism has blazed start to butt up against the everyday Joe that’s just living his life.

Ah, the ever-reliable “everyday Joe,” beloved icon of reactionary grumblers since pretty much forever. In 2008, he took the form of a plumber (well, sort of). In 1970, they made a movie about him.

It appears that feminism doesn’t know when to quit and I clearly see the movement doing something that causes ‘Joe’ to not only look up from his newspaper but also impact him in a negative way.

You wouldn’t like me when I look up from my newspaper!

This lights the fuse.

Throughout history the one thing men are good at is responding to threats, whether they are real or not. I’m reminded of a video of a robbery at a convenience store I saw. The robber had a knife pointed at the clerk, demanding the contents of the register. Two random men were behind him, watching it all go down. One guy looked at the other and did the “upward head nod”. The other guy responded with the same discreet movement and they launched at the robber, taking him down. These two guys didn’t know each other at all but they, like most all men, are given to cohesive bonding when a threat is present.

Men also make up the vast majority of those robbing convenience stores, but never mind.

Feminism gives a perfect storm for this response and it’s going to be really ugly. When men get pissed, especially when they feel disenfranchised or morally wronged, they start breaking things.

Are you sure you haven’t confused men with toddlers having tantrums?

If this starts to steamroll it will make Ferguson look like a dress rehearsal.

That escalated quickly. Good old everyday Joe was just sitting there reading his newspaper, when all of a sudden he caught sight of a feminist meme on the internet. Next stop, literal rioting in the streets.

Those cops that will be asked to stop it? Those are overwhelmingly men too. Many will be sympathetic and I see lines being crossed.

A Man/Cop Alliance of Rioting Manbabies?

Yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me if this doesn’t get dealt with that it could be something on par with a major social upheaval. It’s going to be expensive, bloody, and it’s going to change everything for several generations. Once men start hammering, it ALL looks like a nail.

Yeah this bothers me a lot. I hope I’m badly wrong.

No you don’t. MRAs and other reactionary misogynists are forever airing these kinds of apocalyptic fantasies, in which the evil feminists “push men too far” and the men “finally explode” like some kind of “male bomb.” Civilization crumbles, and those evil complainy women get their final comeuppance.

Some of the men profess their deep “concern” that the women they want to shut up won’t shut up until it’s “too late.” Others can barely conceal their glee at the prospect of a bloody Manpocalypse that will put women back in their place.

Because this isn’t a warning. It’s a threat. It’s what every wife-batterer does when he “reminds” his wife that she won’t like him when he’s angry. It’s a way to control women through fear. Or at least an attempt to.

The only difference now is that the dude doing the “reminding” isn’t threatening his wife at home; he’s playing to the crowd in the Men’s Rights subreddit, and getting upvotes for it.

All over a meme.

So which gender is supposed to be the emotional one again?

H/T — r/againstmensrights

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spacelawn
6 years ago

“That escalated quickly. Good old everyday Joe was just sitting there reading his newspaper, when all of a sudden he caught sight of a feminist meme on the internet. Next stop, literal rioting in the streets.”

I lol’d.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

When men get pissed, especially when they feel disenfranchised or morally wronged, they start breaking things.

HULK WHINE ON THE INTERNET.

(Actually, this applies to every mantrum ever.)

LG.
LG.
6 years ago

Ever noticed how much our culture sees single fathers as “sexy” and single mothers as “immoral/spoiled/pitiable-at-best-if-shes-a-widow”? There might be fewer single mothers around if we did something to change that. But then, who would they have to hate?

Vanir (@Vanir85)
6 years ago

First; a group CANNOT complain about positive single mother memes – and at the same time strongly advocate for men getting legal/economic “abortions” at will – and STILL EXPECT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!

Second; they believe a meme recognizing that being a single mother is hard, is telling imaginary Joe something he already didn’t know? Let alone telling him something he’ll be angry about?

Third; what is imaginary Joe even supposed to be pissed about? Is it a LIE that being a single mother is hard? Is it WRONG to give a “thumbs up” to single moms who take their situation seriously (i.e. most of them)?

What is even the hell?

Fourth and finally;
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine…

spacelawn
6 years ago

@Vanir

Can you picture what we’ll be. so limitless and free!

Xanith
Xanith
6 years ago

Sometimes I wish we could move away from the “nuclear family” ideal back to more community-based child-rearing ideals. Might take some of the stress away from single parents.

tessietura
6 years ago

time to #spankanMRA because you know they all secretly want it anyway

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

@tessietura

We’ve been through this. No.

Big Al
6 years ago

“Throughout history the one thing men are good at is responding to threats, whether they are real or not.

No way in hell are there any MRAs that self-aware.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

time to #spankanMRA because you know they all secretly want it anyway

Now I know you’re just trying to “gotcha” the board. Nobody supported you on this on the other thread, and nobody is going to support you on this one. Go the fuck away and stop trying to “gotcha” people who see straight through your bullshit.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

It appears that feminism doesn’t know when to quit and I clearly see the movement doing something that causes ‘Joe’ to not only look up from his newspaper but also impact him in a negative way.

HULK DROP NEWSPAPER. OH, WHO HULK KIDDING? HULK NOT READ NEWSPAPER!

There’s a minority of men who are alarmed but the vast majority just doesn’t have this on their radar…yet.

And those who do, think you, the minority, are a bunch of crybabies and morons who routinely blow the smallest things out of proportion, and therefore are not worth taking seriously. Um, try fighting over some REAL problems, dudes.

This lights the fuse.

And knowing Menz Rightzers, it’s a short one…attached to a very large whoopee cushion filled with flammable gases.

Throughout history the one thing men are good at is responding to threats, whether they are real or not. I’m reminded of a video of a robbery at a convenience store I saw. The robber had a knife pointed at the clerk, demanding the contents of the register. Two random men were behind him, watching it all go down. One guy looked at the other and did the “upward head nod”. The other guy responded with the same discreet movement and they launched at the robber, taking him down. These two guys didn’t know each other at all but they, like most all men, are given to cohesive bonding when a threat is present.

Case in point. Did anyone read that without holding their noses and fanning away a sulphurous odor?

DonVoyage
6 years ago

There’s no way he didn’t type that one-handed

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Oops…clicked the post button too soon. Where was I again? Oh yeah:

Yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me if this doesn’t get dealt with that it could be something on par with a major social upheaval. It’s going to be expensive, bloody, and it’s going to change everything for several generations. Once men start hammering, it ALL looks like a nail.

“Once men start hammering, it ALL looks like a nail.”

Well, that explains why so many of them seem to think that we like being jackhammered. Does anyone? Really?

Yeah this bothers me a lot. I hope I’m badly wrong.

No, it doesn’t. And no, you don’t. Confess, dude…you typed that one-handed. With plenty of breaks for Jergens application.

Just a pity I’m getting kind of hardened and inured to this “terrible things will happen” MRA mongering. And I think there are better uses for unwashed socks, too.

Brian Peters
6 years ago

“No one could deny that there is open warfare on men all throughout western society. [. . .] the vast majority [of men] just [don’t] have this on their radar…yet.”
a war none can deny but most aren’t aware of?

Falconer
6 years ago

You wouldn’t like me when I look up from my newspaper!

http://i.imgur.com/IJF09VR.jpg

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

I would like to mock, but the concept of “financial abortions” is something that makes me seethe far too hard to find anything funny.

How dare any group call itself an advocacy for men when it’s supporting a policy which will allow fathers to abandon their sons on a whim? Do they not realise the adverse consequences which that son will suffer? True, that father would probably have been a shitty father figure, but it’s better than none at all.

I don’t care how poor you are. If you have a son, you feed that son. If you have to steal to do that, you steal. Men have responsibilities, and those responsibilities are not brushed aside merely because it’s inconvenient.

Fuck the Men’s Rights Movement. Even if we ignore the way they behave towards women – and that’s a big if – the way they behave towards men is unacceptable.

Miss Andry
6 years ago

It’s not just a meme, either. It’s also…TOILET PAPER!

spacelawn
6 years ago

BTW do you hate me for using adblock on your blogg? Plz dont :'(

Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
6 years ago

It’s pretty sick that this guy compares his movement to Ferguson, given that many of the women hating shitgolems who people the MRA movement have a history of deep and unrelenting racism. After that little bit I half expected him to start touting his black friends.

At any rate, David hit the nail on the head when he compared this clown to a spouse beater. Manly man he ain’t.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

the vast majority just doesn’t have this on their radar…yet. This is mostly because it doesn’t affect them directly.

Yes. The vast majority of men are not effected by misandry. Because it isn’t real. And even MRAs know this on some level. This guy just admitted that misandry is not any kind of problem in our culture. Is he self aware enough to realize it? Probably not.

Throughout history the one thing men are good at is responding to threats, whether they are real or not.

There he goes again, admitting feminism is not actually a threat

When men get pissed, especially when they feel disenfranchised or morally wronged, they start breaking things.

and admitting the MRM is all about having hurt fee fees.

Other than the last bit about hoping he was wrong about the manpocalypse, this might have been the most honest MRA rant I’ve ever seen.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

When men get pissed, especially when they feel disenfranchised or morally wronged, they start breaking things.

What a pity they never apply themselves to the REAL problem…CAPITALISM. And what a pity they’re not smashing racism or homophobia. No, boyz, let’s get all worked up about an imaginary issue called “misandry”. GENIUS.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

this really scares me, enough that I wake up at night thinking about it.

I have trouble believe thinking has ever happened in the general vicinity of this person.

Mixing hid metaphors with wild abandon…

You wouldn’t like me when I look up from my newspaper!

This is why you are so fun to read, David.

Throughout history the one thing men are good at is responding to threats, whether they are real or not.

That honestly sounds like something Terry Pratchett would write mocking men. This guy is being serious.

Because this isn’t a warning. It’s a threat. It’s what every wife-batterer does when he “reminds” his wife that she won’t like him when he’s angry. It’s a way to control women through fear. Or at least an attempt to.

Yup. That concern goes like this: “That’s an awfully nice life you’ve got there, Lady. Be a shame if something were to happen to it.” Meanwhile, Ferguson was not a violent protest. It was a memorial turned protest in response to a murder and continued police brutality. What a racist shithead.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

tessietura,
WTF? Still “no” and still for the same obvious reasons.

freemage
6 years ago

No one could deny that there is open warfare on men all throughout western society… There’s a minority of men who are alarmed but the vast majority just doesn’t have this on their radar…yet.

I… I can’t even. How does one posit an undeniable and open war that the vast majority of the targets are still unaware of in a single paragraph?

Miss Andry
6 years ago

And speaking of male bombs, we literally just had a guy running around Manhattan hitting Asian women in the face with a blunt instrument because they didn’t pay attention to him. During the same time period that Dean Esmay was trying to trend #SpankAFeminist on Twitter.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

I… I can’t even. How does one posit an undeniable and open war that the vast majority of the targets are still unaware of in a single paragraph?

Isn’t that bog-standard conspiracy stuff? He’s just find-and-replaced “Real Americans” with “Men” and “New World Order/Illuminati/Jews/Obama” with “Feminists.”

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@tessietura
Why do you bring this up again? I’m leaning towards PoM’s interpretation, that sounds like you’re trying to goad people.

@Lea
Oh God, can you imagine Sam Vimes having to deal with a Mens’ Righters group in Ankh-Morpork? I haven’t been through all of Pratchett’s books, but he didn’t do something like this, did he?

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Does anyone? Really?

No. It’s a male power/abuse fantasy. The porn performers hate it too. Getting punched in the cervix isn’t a good time. Sadly, most straight porn is for men who don’t care if women have a good time and in fact, may prefer we don’t. This is why we need more feminist porn.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Bernardo Soares,
I dunno. I haven’t read them all yet. But, I can imagine Pratchett’s take on the MRM.

What a pity they never apply themselves to the REAL problem…CAPITALISM. And what a pity they’re not smashing racism or homophobia. No, boyz, let’s get all worked up about an imaginary issue called “misandry”. GENIUS.

Well now Bina, punching up is hard, you know. It would take a lifetime of hard work, cooperation with minorities and bravery to actually make things better by fighting the real cause. On the other hand, hating women on the internet is easy and it perks up his pecker. It’s all about priorities.

Falconer
6 years ago

@Lea
Oh God, can you imagine Sam Vimes having to deal with a Mens’ Righters group in Ankh-Morpork? I haven’t been through all of Pratchett’s books, but he didn’t do something like this, did he?

No, he doesn’t, but you can get a pretty good picture of what he’d have thought of them from the series.

Sam Vimes would have no time for people who want to abandon their children, especially in the later books.

Bad_dog
Bad_dog
6 years ago

Ugh these guys practically jerk off to the idea of hurting people with no consequences…

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Tessie Tura is the “You Gotta Have a Gimmick” girl from Gypsy.

There is one tessietura on Twitter and she’s all about using dick jokes and gendered slurs while trying to be politically liberal. She’s a nasty piece of work. She is not, however, using the hashtag this tessietura is trying so desperately to start.

There are two twitter users who have used that hashtage. Michael ‏@MD_Schoenfeld and SJWomble ‏@sjwomble tweeted them. Both to reference and mock #spankafeminist and the MRAs using it. Neither said anything remotely like, “You know they want it”. They were tweeted on the 22nd and 23rd. No activity before or since.

Tessie here is a troll trying to be an agent provocateur.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@Falconer:
I should get to those, then. Sam Vimes is my hero ever since he formulated my favorite economic theory of all:

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes ‘Boots’ theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

(From Men at Arms)

I love this for two reasons:
First, its true. I remember reading an article in I think the NYT that showed that people living in poor areas in the inner city have to buy more expensive milk in corner shops, because they don’t have a car to go to suburban Mega-Marts, where the staples are much cheaper.

Secondly, in my old hometown a conservative candidate for mayor actually showed his absolute ignorance for the real life situations of people below his economic bracket by telling them in a book that they should buy artisanal boots for exactly Vimes’ reason: you’ll spend 400 Euros on them, but they’ll last forever! In contrast to cheap boots. Cheap boots, for him, were the ones for 150 Euro. This guy was so far up his own ass, but I had a good laugh at this total perversion of the simple truth Vimes had formulated ten years earlier.

(Sorry for OT and teal deer, but I’m a big fan of Sam Vimes)

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

aaargh! I got too cocky the last time and have now been humbled by the blockquote mammoth.

YoullNeverGuess
6 years ago

@Miss Andry, thank you for alerting to me the evils of Angel Soft. 😀

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

No. It’s a male power/abuse fantasy. The porn performers hate it too. Getting punched in the cervix isn’t a good time. Sadly, most straight porn is for men who don’t care if women have a good time and in fact, may prefer we don’t. This is why we need more feminist porn.

It’s a derail, but may I ask the hivemind a question about this since it’s come up?

I’ve noticed a trend in the young women I’ve slept with over the past few years: a lot of them have learned more about sex from pornography than they have from their own experiences, and coupled with the normal desire to try to impress their partner, this leads to them suggesting activities which I would normally blink at. I deal with this by going slowly and communicating clearly, and by not sleeping with anyone who isn’t okay with careful communication and slow exploration.

What is the opinion of this august assembly? Is my privilege blinding me to something essential here?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@Lea

Tessie here is a troll trying to be an agent provocateur.

I am no longer as sure about that as I was an hour ago. I found a few comments she’d previously made on WHTM and they were pretty inoffensive. It’s actually really easy to track her across the Internet. I found her Twitter and it isn’t @tessietura. She’s not actually using that hashtag.

I really don’t understand her pushing that hashtag, because all her comments elsewhere, while not exactly super-aware (there’s some obvious ableism and some nastiness aimed at Cathy Brennan, who absolutely deserves nastiness but her being old is not one of the reasons why she deserves it), are also not anything that makes me think she’s secretly on the MRAs’ side.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

It’s not just a meme, either. It’s also…TOILET PAPER!”

I have to say, I love that sites other than this one have taken to mocking their dumb asses too – wait… Esquire? That Esquire?

Oh dear, MRAs. When a men’s magazine that publishes yearly “Sexiest woman alive” lists thinks you’re all ridiculous sexist idiots, you may just be ridiculous sexist idiots. Unless you want to claim that a boobs ‘n’ ‘splosions lads’ mag is part of the femigynocommunazi conspiracy.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
6 years ago

Can’t they just celebrate single fathers on Mother’s Day, like people are celebrating single mothers on Father’s Day, I mean, really.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

… And I just looked at the comments. Dean Esmay himself has stepped in to declare said lads’ mag to be part of said conspiracy. *facepalm*

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Can’t they just celebrate single fathers on Mother’s Day, like people are celebrating single mothers on Father’s Day, I mean, really.

I know some people did. I don’t remember if there was an outcry. It actually wouldn’t surprise me if there was one.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@SFCH
Of course it is. That mag is all about the “miniskirt power”, thus it is a female empowerment medium. it also oppresses men by telling them to work out and that basic hygiene is relevant.

Falconer
6 years ago

@Bernardo Soares:

(Sorry for OT and teal deer, but I’m a big fan of Sam Vimes)

You’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll laugh some more.

Pratchett was one of those people who looked at the world and got angry at how it worked. Vimes, I think, is where his anger is closest to the surface.

@EJ (The Other One):

It’s a derail, but may I ask the hivemind a question about this since it’s come up?

I’ve never made love to anyone who watched porn, so allow me to derail your derailment. That Dwarf Fortress game I had, where everything I needed for steel was right there at the surface? Got corrupted and I didn’t have a backup. You may now gloat.

So I started a new game, found a good site, but got too close to a Sinister region and lost most of my dwarves to zombie mountain goats. Then zombie parrots came and stole everything that was left outside of my fort. I was down to three dwarfs, a dwarf girl, and two cats. Fortunately, I made enough of an impression on the fortress liaison and the first dwarf caravan that I’m up to forty-something adults and thirteen (!!) children. The first human caravan got slaughtered by the aforementioned goats, so I’m trying to arm up and run them off before the next caravan comes along.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

POM,
My google fu has failed me.
I will now sentence myself to a nice cup of tea and a time out. Thank you for doing it right.

EJ,
I don’t sleep with alot of young women. So, I wouldn’t know.
I know young women who like things like putting needles in sensitive places. I could not tell you what influences their tastes, but to each their own. I suspect that women have been this kinky for a long time and are only now starting to be able to freely admit that they are. I’m really happy to hear that young women are regularly communicating what they want in bed. I’m so proud of this generation. Back in the 90’s when I was just entering adulthood most women I knew were much too worried about what a man would think of us to be that open. Then again, many of the girls I knew were raised Southern Baptist. That will stunt your sexual expression.

It s very likely that both men and women are influenced by easy access to porn and try to be what they think their partners want them to be. Sexual gratification is often as much about making the other party happy as it is your own sensation. So, if they’re doing what they do for that reason, it probably gets them off anyway. Whatever works, works.

To clarify: When I’m talking about hammering away at a cervix, I’m not talking about hard fucking with appropriate preparation and pressure thoughtfully applied to the right spots at the right time. I’m talking about banging clumsily away at the cervix like you’re trying to get into Helm’s Deep.

To quote an episode of Risk that summed it up, “He was fucking me like he didn’t know I was a stand up comic.”

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Pratchett was one of those people who looked at the world and got angry at how it worked.

AND he could make you laugh at it. That’s why so many people loved him. He gave us such a gift.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

Pratchett was one of those people who looked at the world and got angry at how it worked. Vimes, I think, is where his anger is closest to the surface.

This is a great point. I don’t really have anything to add.

Ellesar
Ellesar
6 years ago

“One guy looked at the other and did the “upward head nod”. The other guy responded with the same discreet movement and they launched at the robber, taking him down. These two guys didn’t know each other at all but they, like most all men, are given to cohesive bonding when a threat is present.”

This:

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

Now I know you’re just trying to “gotcha” the board. Nobody supported you on this on the other thread, and nobody is going to support you on this one.

I keep feeling they think we spot them because we are very good at spotting trolls, instead of because they are so obviously full of shit.

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
6 years ago

@Falconer:
I would never gloat at that misfortune! That’s an awful thing to have happen. I must remember to back mine up.

Your new fort sounds, if not fun, at least Fun. Zombie animals can be extremely annoying – and for the love of all you hold dear, never do any slaughtering of animals or disposal of their parts in an Evil biome. I’m not sure about Sinister ones but I wouldn’t risk it.

Can you trap the zombie goats? Cage traps are easy and powerful, often to the point of being considered an exploit, but they may be what you need here.

@Lea:
Thank you for that summary. It definitely fits with my experiences and what I’ve heard from other people.

What I’m more worried about is the normalisation of non-kinky degrading porn, and the consent issues which that creates. Does that make sense or am I making a meaningless distinction here?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@Lea

I find myself fairly reasonably disposed toward tessietura right now. The ableism and ageism was a couple of years ago, and I’m inclined to think her feminism is likely to have developed beyond that point by now. The #SpankAnMRA thing might represent additional growing pains. None of us leapt from the womb as perfect feminists, so until/unless additional information comes along, I call non-troll at this point.

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