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Dylann Roof, apparently a regular commenter at The Daily Stormer, learned his hatred online

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It’s yet another reminder that online hate has consequences. In a manifesto of sorts he posted before he shot and killed 9 black people in a Charleston church, Dylann Roof noted that he had learned his racism online. He even specified one of the hate sites that fuelled his hate: the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Now it appears he was also a regular commenter at The Daily Stormer, an especially vicious neo-Nazi “news” site.

In his manifesto, Roof wrote that he “was not raised in a racist home or environment.” As he explained, it was the Trayvon Martin case that

prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. 

Emphasis mine.

After this terrible “discovery,” Roof wrote, “I researched deeper,” ultimately “[finding] out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.”

One of the places he conducted this “research” was, evidently, the Daily Stormer. A researcher at the Southern Poverty Law Center has discovered that a number of passages in Roof’s manifesto are virtually identical to comments left on The Daily Stormer by someone calling himself AryanBlood1488. It seems likely that this was Roof himself.

Just as Elliot Rodger seems to have picked up some of his misogynistic beliefs from PUAhate, a site whose best-known moderator at the time was a regular contributor to A Voice for Men, Roof seems to have picked up some of his “racial awareness” at The Daily Stormer, a site appealing to many of the same people — literally the same people — who regularly read and comment on popular “manosphere” sites like the proudly racist Chateau Heartiste and Roosh Valizadeh’s Return of Kings, which recently ran a long Naziesque screed, by Roosh himself, on the evils of “degenerate” and “cosmopolitan” Jews.

No, The Daily Stormer doesn’t see eye-to-eye on everything with pickup-oriented manospherans like Heartiste and Roosh; Daily Stormer founder Andrew Anglin thinks pickup artistry is “pure snake oil” and doesn’t consider Roosh to be sufficiently white. But he’s also praised Roosh’s “anti-Jew article” as “excellent.” As Anglin sees it, Roosh

no doubt sees which way the winds are blowing, and is attempting … to keep his media base in tact in the face of rising Nazism.

And it goes without saying that Anglin is as violently misogynistic as any of those I write about on this site; recent headlines on his site include Jew Announces a Bitch to be Featured on $10 Bill and God Should be a Bitch Says Church of England’s Slut Priestesses.

In the end, the various fine distinctions one can make between, for example, racist, misogynistic far-right hate sites that promote pickup artistry (like Chateau Heartiste) and racist, misogynistic far-right hate sites that don’t promote pickup artistry (like The Daily Stormer) seem less important than their innumerable similarities. They are all part of the same big ball of hate. 

First Elliot Rodger, now Dylann Roof. In the past two years alone, two young men who read and commented on two specific hate sites I’ve written about on this blog have literally committed mass murders inspired by the hatreds they learned and developed online — and which they’ve spelled out clearly and unequivocally in manifestos they left behind.

Online hate has consequences in the real world. I can only hope that the authorities are paying attention.

H/T — r/GamerGhazi, which also points out that GamerGate icon Fredrick “Hotwheels” Brennan, founder of 8chan, recently published an article on The Daily Stormer advocating eugenics.

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Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

@zoon echon logon

This sounds like a sci-fi totalitarian dystopia. Are you seriously proposing this as a good idea?

From the post:

I’m not advocating anything because I haven’t even begun to think through all the implications

I was suggesting the possibility if the means actually existed of a very specific legal remedy for very specific dangerous-but-not-violent-yet people, not general application, though of course one of the major problems would be how you keep something initially tightly-focused from spiralling out into a broader program of oppression.

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

that was cool. I double-checked the tags. Note to self: don’t do separate blockquotes in the same post.

Shalimar
Shalimar
5 years ago

@Nequam
I had actually forgotten Clockwork Orange, so even though it is similar to what I was suggesting, it isn’t the same. There was also a comic book Squadron Supreme mini-series 30 years ago where they brainwashed criminals to be law-abiding citizens, which I did remember but also isn’t what I was saying.

I was suggesting a hypothetical drug that could do damage to the recipient when their body released whatever chemicals are produced during ragegasms, effectively shortening their lives based on the intensity and frequency of rage. It isn’t exactly aversion, more like “doing X behavior that is harmful to others will definitely shorten your life by Y years; if you do it anyway, it was your choice to decide hurting others was worth the loss.”

The other major problem I see that no one has mentioned yet (probably because I wasn’t totally clear what I was thinking) is that it wouldn’t matter to people who were suicidal or didn’t place any value on their own life.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

Thanks! That sounded like a rhetorical question, but was intended literally as a request for clarification. I still think “dangerous-but-not-violent-yet people” is a pretty slippery category (how dangerous do they need to be? who gets to decide?), but I’ve got a driver’s license test to study for and can’t get into it right now.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
5 years ago

Ok just a little bit. Part of the problem is that you’re basing the drug on emotion rather than action. Racist stoics (who are, for the sake of argument, acting based on faulty reasoning rather than emotion) could potentially avoid this system. And, as PoM pointed out, people can feel rage over perfectly legitimate grievances (though I guess we might not give them the drug). So the connection between the harm you’re trying to prevent and what you’re doing is tenuous–some people may have ragegasms without being dangerous, some people may be dangerous without ragegasms.

The would also violate liberal principles of autonomy (probably) which I think is the more serious objection.

Binjabreel
5 years ago

That’s… Intensely depressing.

Though I guess, even though we’re starting from different premises, “maybe it’d be better if he’d never been born” is indeed a hard thing to argue with, though for wildly different reasons.

Jesus, what a sad, sad asshole. I feel sorry for his mother.

Bazia
Bazia
5 years ago

Sorry to be late to the SPLC discussion above, may I throw in my 2 centavos?

Why doesn’t the SPLC list anti-feminist groups as hate groups?

I think it may be the same reason that the argument is made that violence based on sex should not specifically protected as a hate crime in hate crimes statutes and that American federal immigration law should not include specific protection for sex (gender) related persecutions that turn them into refugees – the floodgates argument.

The idea is that there are simply too many people to protect in this class. If killing women for reasons related to being women was considered a hate crime, the reasoning goes, all resources will be used up and other groups will be ignored. In the same way, if the SPLC names anti-feminist hate groups as such, they will have to divert a lot of resources to that problem – and their focus frankly is on racial hatred.

Personally, I have no problem with that, and it’s good that the SPLC did have at least a look at misogyny sites. I hope they will look in again. Just that small attention hurt the MRM immensely. The reason I have no problem with the SPLC keeping its limited resources focused on racism is because racism is so entrenched and lethal and needs continual legal attention, and the SPLC has the legal expertise, history, and influence to make a very big impact on that problem.

Women need the same help, and we need to be sure we’re getting it. NOW has a legal arm but it doesn’t seem to be doing much to me. I think we need a new Law Center that focuses on crimes based on sex (gender), the gender asylum issue, and misogyny. The SPLC canbe a great model, but I don’t want their current work to be vitiated so I am OK with their not going after misogyny in any systematic way.

The US Violence Against Women Act could be used in America for a Women’s Law Center, but it is under fierce attack and is being so burdened with expansions and exceptions that I think maybe the place to start is to get that law clean and mean. So I will be supporting keeping the VAWA an act for women, and to contribute what I can to organizations that begin to use it as intended.

And I’ll contribute to the SPLC as well, Because racism and sexism are BOTH lethal.

Alpha von Carousel
Alpha von Carousel
5 years ago

@Shalimar

The could-never-possibly-exist drug you’re wondering aloud about about is of a piece with phrenology and all sorts of other extremely problematic ways of trying to define a “criminal (or otherwise undesirable) type” without due process or a presumption of innocence.

opium4themasses
5 years ago

This discussion of latent criminality makes me think of Psycho Pass, a very good anime. The notion of this drug also leaves out that some people can very calmly do some very awful and terrible acts.

We do need to do something about these sites. I am not sure if the courts or the legislatures will move quickly or effectively.

The boycott of Rush Limbaugh has apparently been effective. Perhaps we start boycotting hosting sites which provide these spaces. Failing that boycott the advertisers and other sites hosted by these companies.

Basically, we put pressure on companies to stop providing them services.

I don’t pretend to know how effective it would be. Still, it feels like if we force the assholes feeding this resentment onto the dark web, we lower their ability to easily radicalize people.

autosoma
5 years ago

@neutite
I am well aware that the swastika Flag is mostly illegal in Europe, I was thinking more of usage in the US
@bernardo…
Interesting that euro neo-nazis are using the confederate flag in its place.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

What’s interesting isn’t just the confluence of racist websites and the Manosphere, but the very real sense of entitlement that male white supremacists have toward all white women. I’ll probably write something up on it at some point, but news reports suggest Roof was rejected by a white woman in favor of a black man. Frazier Glenn Miller discussed “race-mixing” between black men and white women in his self-published book. I think it’s an angle that needs to be explored.

I know of at least one white woman who was beaten by her father as a teen for being seen in a car with a black man. I know many more who were threatened with the same. A cousin of mine was disowned for having children with a black man. That wasn’t unusual 20 yrs ago and it isn’t unheard of today.

White women are the only people your average white man can still acceptably own. Feminism challenges the oppression that makes that ownership possible. In a capitalist society where most men will never rise to any sort of power the ability to mimic the powerful men they wish they were by dominating another human being is very important to their self image.
As it was brilliantly pointed out earlier, weakness is loathed and power admired in such a culture. Yet, we are all weak. In a capitalist society most of us are in fact helpless. Our opportunities are controlled by a very powerful few. Having a human of their own to bully and even “benevolently” control gives them the illusion of power that they require to feel like “real men” which is not different in their minds to being “real people”. They like to dominate other women too but white women they want to belong only to them. No one else can play with “their” toys. If we choose men of color or any women as our lovers and partners we are refuting their ownership. When that illusion of superiority and power disappears, what is left is too much for them to bear.
Without that last shred of power, they are no better than *gasp* women and minorities. (We all no those are not the words they use, but…)Then they’d either have to admit their submission to the powers that be or they’d have to fight shoulder to shoulder against the establishment with people they want badly to be beneath them. Most of those racist, misogynist fuckwads would rather die.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
5 years ago

The boycott of Rush Limbaugh has apparently been effective. Perhaps we start boycotting hosting sites which provide these spaces. Failing that boycott the advertisers and other sites hosted by these companies.

Basically, we put pressure on companies to stop providing them services.

I don’t pretend to know how effective it would be. Still, it feels like if we force the assholes feeding this resentment onto the dark web, we lower their ability to easily radicalize people.

– opium4themasses

That sounds like it might have an effect, at least.

spacelawn
5 years ago

One can wonder what kind of environment Roof grew up in for him to fall for the garbage written on those sites (sites that btw should be shutdown)

He says that it was with those sites that he became “racially aware” but i highly doubt that’s the only influence he had.

It also feels like he should have realized that those sites are a load of old shite. How old was he when he first started visiting them?

spacelawn
5 years ago

@Shalimar

Fucking Equilibrium innit?

Jo
Jo
5 years ago

On a lighter note, I can’t decide whether ‘God Should be a Bitch’ or ‘Slut Priestesses’ is a better name for a band.

History Nerd
5 years ago

Displaying the Confederate flag is more of an attempt to deny that the Confederacy or Jim Crow South were racist. There’s a whole genre of biographies of Southern figures that attempt to deny that they were personally racist or minimize their involvement in slavery or segregation.

zennurse
zennurse
5 years ago

Google, Amazon, Sears, KMart have all stopped selling Confederate merchandise.

It’s a start and while some argue that it is not a deep cut to the actual problem, it has forced racist legislators to expose biases as elections approach. I’ve been following some of the Black Lives Matter Twitter accounts and comments; one point made is that the presence of the flag in public, especially government spaces, makes them less safe. Throughout the south, streets are named for the Confederate leaders and generals who were racist to the core. The AME Emmanuel church is on Calhoun Street, for example.

I am very suspicious that Roof was groomed and helped with his site. Someone took his photos and his online name has been located in messages dating back two years from a pastebin posted by Anonymous during OpBlitzkreig, a worldwide anti nazi effort.

I agree with others who have suggested that misogyny is deeply intertwined in his twisted philosophy based on his reference to ownership of women and his reference to rape. Isn’t it ironic that slaveholders routinely raped black women during slavery but this is what he chose to use as his declaration during the executions?

There is another story making the news, not sure if MRA gang will pick up on it. A young man was found hanging in an elevator shaft after assaulting numerous Asian women because they wouldn’t talk to him. He put something heavy in a bag and bashed them in the face. Sounds like a Dean Esmay wet dream.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/06/nyc-man-attacked-asian-women-for-rejecting-him.html

Blessings

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
5 years ago

@autosoma:
They’re using everything possible: certain runes used by the actual, historical Nazis (Wolfsangel), but which are nor that well-known, symbols from Germanic and Norse (or rather, pseudo-Germanic and -Norse) mythology, regional flags that are supposed to show their ethnic heritage, the war flag of the Kaiserreich (which was used in the First World War), number codes. It’s like fascist hipsterism: always some new symbol which you have to decode.

What connects all those symbols, however, is racism. Not to say that Germanic and Norse symbols were always meant as racist, but most of the symbols they use are historically not understood to have been used by Germanic cultures, but were developed in the völkische movement at the beginning of the Twentieth Century.

the Man of Sin
5 years ago

@EJ (The Other One)
Regarding your first comment : the exact inverse of Nietzsche’s Will to Power philosophy. Let’s call it the Will to Weakness.

Vanir (@Vanir85)
5 years ago

There is another story making the news, not sure if MRA gang will pick up on it. A young man was found hanging in an elevator shaft after assaulting numerous Asian women because they wouldn’t talk to him. He put something heavy in a bag and bashed them in the face. Sounds like a Dean Esmay wet dream.

– zennurse

Maybe they will, but the assailant/deceased was a black man – that reduces the chances of them bothering with it. If he was white or a light skinned asian – there’s a bigger chance they’d do their usual victim/woman blaming routine.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

Sort of related to what @Lea is saying… http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/confirmed-masculinity-is-so-fragile-guys-will-overcompensate-to-avoid-being-feminine/

Or to avoid being ‘weak’ in general, I suppose.

I’m pretty bloody sick of the world at the moment.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I read about that guy. It’s exactly why every social justice movement needs intersectionality. He was using racism to justify misogyny. Much the way MRM use class based oppression to do the same.

prohass
5 years ago

What can men do against such reckless hate?

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Bill Kristol is complaining about the left not showing respect to those who fought for the confederacy. SMDH. http://tktk.gawker.com/bill-kristol-where-s-our-respect-for-confederate-soldi-1713454752

You’re damn right I don’t respect them!

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
5 years ago

Several people in this thread have mentioned that banning or boycotting the Confederate flag won’t solve racism or have a large effect on its own. Of course it won’t. There is no one thing we could do that would solve racism. There’s no one thing we could do that would solve sexism, or poverty, or gun violence. All of these things will be solved by a lot of little things working together to change the culture.

After all, my going to work today won’t pay the rent on its own. But if I don’t go to work today, or tomorrow, or the next day, then I won’t have a job anymore and I definitely won’t pay the rent.

You have to fight the bad shit every day.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Ibis,
Quite alot, I’m sure. Many of them are very supportive of MRAs and spew the same lies, false equivalencies and harassment.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

prohass,
Listen. Learn. Lend support. Speak up. Same as for fighting every other kind of hate. In fact, keeping it intersectional is a requirement for making things better. The personal is political. How you live, think and interact with other people makes a difference.

deniseeliza,
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120705231207/harrypotter/images/6/6e/Applause-harry-potter.gif

chronically lurking
chronically lurking
5 years ago

The backlash against the Confederate flag and the light outing and shunning of some of the openly racist right wing groups (among people who’ve previously refused to address them) are positive steps, if only small victories.

That it took the murder of 9 black Americans for reasons explicitly stated by the terrorist to be racist for culture to adopt any level of siding with black America is of course ridiculous and worth calling out.

At least one can derive a moment or two of schadenfreude from knowing this hate filled buttcrack gets to witness the tides swinging hard against the Confederate flag and his hate groups of choice.

Neurite
5 years ago

Been AFK a bit, catching up…

autosoma:

“I am well aware that the swastika Flag is mostly illegal in Europe, I was thinking more of usage in the US”

Yeah, I figured that’s what you were saying. I just used that as a jumping off point to contrast the fate of the swastika flag in Germany with the fate of the Confederate flag in the US (the segue in my head was something along the line of “yup, they use the swastika flag here, but funnily enough they don’t in Germany, and let’s think for a second about why that is” – I guess I didn’t make that logic clear), and how banning it won’t solve all problems, but would at least set a sign – or at least stop continually setting the negative sign that continuing to use the Confederate flag in official, state-sposored contexts still does.

Bernardo Soares:

“Larry Wilmore actually made the point that European Nazi groups use the Confederate flag as a legal alternative to the swastika to express their racist ideology on demonstrations.”

Yup, good point, along with all the other “plausible deniability” flags you list in your last post (runes, etc.). In a way it’s a game of whack-a-mole; they’ll always come up with some new coded symbol for their hatred. But still, the mere fact that they have to resort to this constant subterfuge, that they know the state is against them and they are constantly threatened with arrest for their bullshit, sends me as a German Jew a message about how my home country feels about me and making me feel safe. It’s a very different message than the one my black husband got seeing Confederate flags on most cars and flying off official buildings when he lived in the South.

deniseeliza put it very well – banning the Confederate flag won’t solve racism, but it’ll be a small thing that along with many other small things could start moving the culture at least a bit in the right direction.

zennurse:

“Google, Amazon, Sears, KMart have all stopped selling Confederate merchandise.”

Walmart, eBay, and Etsy, too! And Virginia is removing the Confederate flag from its license plates. And SC’s legislature is at least discussing removing the flag from the SC Capitol. Steps in the right direction, at last.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

In all the noise about the Charleston shootings, this item almost passed under the radar.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/isis-inspired-suspect-justin-nolan-sullivan-was-turned-dad-n379721
Apparently you have to be a Muslim extremist rather than a white supremacist to attract the FBI’s attention.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@Grumpy

Are you shitting me.

Kakanian
Kakanian
5 years ago

@theluckyfrog

While I realize that taking down the flag’s an okay symbolic gesture, we really should not forget that the other side in that conflict was fighting – among other things – because they wanted a political and economical future for the country that did not include African-Americans in any gains made by the ongoing Western expansion and was complicit with internal slave trade, post-reconstruction terror and the Jim Crown regime.

sn0rkmaiden
5 years ago

@Grumpy, my word that’s a disturbing story.

At least his parents were responsible enough to contact law enforcement, as oppose to say, buying him a gun for his birthday.

Octo
Octo
5 years ago

The US federal government would have to have a massive de-confederization plan, similar to post war Germany to sort that problem out.
Eh, denazification was a joke, really. It only went skin deep and not often not only that. Old nazis remained in their offices, in administration, in the economy, in universities and so on, deserters (or also homosexuals who ended up in concentration camps) weren’t exonerated and so on. Things only really began to change with the social movements in the 60s. The extent of “denazification” in post-war Germany is massively overstated.

Depressing how it always seems to be the same story, no matter period or country, no?

maghavan
maghavan
5 years ago

The day will come when one of you feminists will go on a shooting spree against us Alphas and we will be there to tell everyone how they learned their hate from David Futrelle & WeHuntedTheMammoth!

Of course, there won’t be nine of us dead … because we are ALPHAS and that means we always win. Heck, the last time a feminist mangina tried to attack me I instantly went into a full slow-mo flying spin kick and sent him, also slow-mo (we can transfer it through our kicks and punches), through a full sized plate-glass window. IT WAS PROJECT BAD-ASS STYLE EPIC!!!!!! FTW!!!!! Then, as he lay groaning on the ground, I put my foot on his chest and screamed “GAMERGATE!!!!” into the air. A bunch of hot girls then ran up and started swooning over me and the police arrived soon to arrest him and give me an awesome medal for being such an ass kicker. And yes, that TOTALLY HAPPENED!

So, anyway, when some murderous MISANDRIST feminist comes to our hang outs to shoot up us ALPHAS, there won’t be some horribly body-count and sobbing press coverage. Instead, she will be disarmed by the most INTENSE slow-mo karate moves that you wish you could even see (but we won’t let you) and then we will tell everyone how they learned to hate at WHTM.

Miss Andry
5 years ago
Reply to  maghavan

@maghavan

wat

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

@Miss Andry
I think I can say “it’s satire” and be correct…but I don’t really get the joke either.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Maghavan’s a regular, she’s just parodying the super mega ultra “Alphas.”

Of course, since they’re unparodyable, she still should have put a sarcasm tag. =P

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@maghavan

Hah hah hah!

@others

No, removing the Confederate flag won’t solve anything. What it will do is signal that society no longer condones racism. Having the flag up at the SC statehouse currently signals that racism is OK and black people just have to deal with that. Taking it down will be a statement that this is no longer an official position.

Banning it outright is not feasible in the United States. Freedom of speech is a thing and it would legitimately apply in to any attempt by government to suppress racist speech. There is not a racism exception in the US First Amendment. It worked in Germany because a new government was being built from scratch there, and the situations are not equivalent.

What can be done and is feasible is to treat the Confederate flag as though it were the n-word. It can be rendered into a taboo. The n-word is not banned, but white people don’t generally use it anymore, and even racists typically don’t use it in front of other white people outside of known friendly company, because everyone jumps on them otherwise. If white people jump on other white people for flying the Confederate flag, it can be made a taboo.

It’s one thing white people can do, that white people have the power to do. The next time you (if you are white) see another white person with a Confederate flag, think to yourself, “Huh, how would I react if this person used the n-word directly in front of me?” and then do that.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
5 years ago

The German case is really complicated and ambivalent. The German law has also been used for bad purposes. For example, the concept of “wehrhafte Demokratie” which states that parties can be banned if they want to get rid of or change the constitution, has historically been used more against communist/socialist parties than against the extreme right.

The interior secret service (Verfassungsschutz, literally Agency for the Protection of the Constitution) was actually build by an old Nazi spy (US occupation troops could use him because he had all the information the Nazis had gathered about Soviet Russia) who promptly used it to get his old friends out of prison and into anticommunist spy work – which suited everybody well. This is visible until today, where the Verfassungsschutz has played an unclear role in the non-discovery of a Neonazi terror group that acted freely for 10 years, but at the same time spies on a social democratic party which is represented in the Federal and several State Parliaments.

A few years ago, an online Punk shop was actually sued and its assets seized by the prosecutor of Baden-Württemberg, because they said that the swastika represented on the anti-Nazi stickers still counted as usage of an anti-constitution symbol. A good friend of mine was arrested and subsequently sued for using this sticker while attending an antifascist demonstration. He had to go through two courts before the charge was dropped.

Also, the whole ban has contributed to a situation in Germany where you’re only a Nazi if you call yourself that, use actual Nazi symbols and so on. Whereas the bunch of racists, homophobes and antisemites demonstrating against the “lying press” and for Putin, who use many of the same talking points, are often seen as “concerned citizens”.

That said, I totally agree with Neurite concerning the importance of symbolic space and how it makes you feel. While a ban is surely out of the question in the US, flying the flag on official buildings is just awful. I also agree that the ban of the swastika etc. is generally a good thing.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Unrelatedly, I just realised that this shitstack’s middle name is Storm.

A white supremacist named Storm.

What’s with right-wing bigots and aptronyms? o_O

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
5 years ago

@SFHC
The surnames of the lawyers of Beate Zschäpe, the Nazi terrorist from the NSU trio who survived, are: Heer, Sturm and Stahl – Army, Storm and Steel. They are actually public defenders who were assigned, but that continues to baffle me.

idledillettante
5 years ago

@binjabreel –

I’m pretty sure hot wheels supports eugenics because he hates himself, and hates his parents for having him (and a younger brother with the same genetic disease).

If you read the article Brennan wrote for The Daily Stormer it seems clear that he hates his father for giving up on him and his brother in late childhood, hates his mother for having children despite knowing there was a 50% chance they would inherit her disease, and hates the state for supporting his parents (and himself) with welfare and assistance programs for the disabled.

On the other hand, Brennan loves chan boards (and his own 8chan in particular) because they even out the playing field and give Brennan power he doesn’t enjoy IRL. On 8chan, Brennan is respected instead of pitied. He’s beloved, even, for his principled stance on hosting child porn and identity thieves.

Even though Brennan is routinely nasty and disrespectful to anyone he perceives as female or nonwhite, I always end up feeling really sorry for him after I write about him. He lives a miserable little existence; 8chan is basically all he has now. In many ways he doesn’t have the luxury of changing; for instance he would probably have a hard time getting hired to do regular programming work (which he did pre-GamerGate) b/c of 8chan’s notoriety.

I hope that gives you some insight into Brennan. He essentially is the king of Internet hell; and that’s the bright spot that makes his life worth living.

History Nerd
5 years ago

I’m not sure I can parse out Brennan’s exact psychology, but prejudice against one group of people tends to generalize. Ableism also tends to be based on perception of people’s bodies and, like racism and sexism, it’s connected with traditional religious attitudes and anger at people who are supported by government programs (while the people who supposedly did everything right are the *real* victims).

Brennan hates himself because he doesn’t have the power and success he wants and feels ashamed of compromising his libertarian views by accepting government support and services. So I’d guess he just wants to sit back and watch the world burn right now.

History Nerd
5 years ago

And yeah, denazification didn’t really work. A few of the worst Nazi leaders were executed, but most got out of prison by the 1950’s and a lot of ex-Nazis became officials in the West German government. There was a serious fear that a Communist or Radical Social Democrat government would come to power in West Germany.

Neurite
5 years ago

Bernardo Soares, completely agreed that the German case is actually quite complicated and many problems remain. Indeed, agreeing with everything you outlined in your (great) post. Didn’t mean to give the impression that I think everything’s perfect in Germany. I was just oversimplifying because I’m already way too wordy, and I just wanted to focus on one specific point.

Octo and History Nerd, also agree that the original denazification was quite superficial and largely ineffective – indeed, that was why the movement in the 60s to get rid the remaining old fascists in positions of power, to finally teach about this part of history in schools instead of smothering it in silence and euphemism, etc., was so sorely needed.

I do think that the 60s movement achieved some good results in that regard, even though things were and are still far from perfect – and that some aspects of how things were eventually dealt with were more effective and positive than how the history of slavery and the Civil War has been and is being dealt with in the American South. But certainly there are no absolutes, and plenty of problems in both countries. I guess you can’t fit a full discussion of everything into internet comments – though y’all are doing a pretty impressive job already.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

The simple truth about denazification is that the focus shifted from the defeated Germans to the Soviet Union, and the US, led by High Commissioner John McCloy, decided that it was more important to use whatever assets could strengthen West Germany as a tool to use against the Russians than to be picky about their pasts.
And then we went much too far in the other direction in Iraq.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

One of the things I did not understand about WWII until I started reading about it after college was the extent to which the European conflict was a struggle between Fascism and Communism. Fascism was, in a very real sense, a reaction against the success of Bolshevism in 1917. When the Allies occupied Berlin (and Churchill was put back in a glass case marked Break Glass in Case of War), the hunt was on for reliably anti-Communist Germans to staff the postwar government. There were relatively few non-Nazi anti-Communists left by that point.

The pro-Communists who had survived the camps were sought after by the Soviets, who used them to construct THEIR German government. That’s why the East Germans refused to pay reparations to Israel; their leaders had had no part in the Holocaust other than being some of its victims. Of course, they used ex-Nazis just as eagerly when it suited their purposes.

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina

All the fine righteous indignation at Nuremberg followed by the most ignoble Realpolitik.