Open thread to discuss Charleston Church Shooting

@Rugbyyogi,

I suppose I want to hold off on preemptive outrage.

@WWTH, the fact people are trying to send friend requests to the Charleston shooter is disturbing as fuck.

I hope the story doesn’t now become about him, it’s been documented time and time again that elevating mass murderers to media celebrity status is a really bad idea. I think everyone’s focus should be on the community he hurt, and how they’re not going to be brought down by this.

Is this really Dean Esmay trying to link this racist shitbag with anti-rape advocacy? At least the commenters are calling him out.

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3aa5cd/south_carolina_shooter_spoke_of_rapewas_he_driven/

@ rosemary I can hardly believe my eyes. Dean Esmay is implying that rape culture is false, there are few real rapes, so the young man was misled by…wait for it, feminists! I confess I was curious to see the MRA propaganda spin that would somehow lay this atrocity at the feet of women who seek equality in this society.

I see in the news article that the young man’s hobby was playing videogames on his xbox.

@Bazia:

A badly-advised desire to protect women drove this young man to his crimes, it may be said on certain mensrights sites.

You betcha.

Reminds me not only of Trump’s description of Mexican immigrants as “rapists,” something already mentioned on this thread, but so many manurespherians’ laments about them hurting our women. And those laments usually come from the worst misogynists, who hurt women daily as a matter of the eff’ed up fact.

Roosh The Delusional D-Bag, for example, wrote the following in his recent post on “Narrative Warfare:”

We have no choice but to participate in narrative warfare, not for our physical survival, but to preserve the rights, due process, and activities that men were able to do freely not more than two generations ago. (…) We need to recruit and convert men to stop being swallowed up by the enemy, because they will not stop. They will criminalize normal masculine behavior, degrade the feminine so the very idea of beauty is destroyed, and ruin countries that were once good places for men to live in.

They in Roosh’s case are those evil feminists, Jews, SJW, and other leftists hellbent on destroying civilization as Roosh and his ilk see it — even as they blather on about how nasty and worthless women are, and share their “triumphs” in personally degrading them, this time for real.

Tangentially related updates:

While the state is flying flags at half-mast, the Confederate battle flag over the state capitol is not.

Also, SCOTUS announced their decision today that Texas’s denial of a proposed “Sons of Confederate Veterans” license plate was not a violation of the SoCV’s constitutional rights.

Re: let him not be white

Last night I saw online commenters, probably on DM, speculate that the shooter could have been a woman.

Because mass killings are a woman’s thing.

We are not going to make any progress toward a more peaceful society if we continue our denials about the relationship between the toxic masculinity and young (white) men’s aggrieved entitlement.

While the state is flying flags at half-mast, the Confederate battle flag over the state capitol is not.

This makes me angry. Very very angry. Far angrier than the initial attack did.

The initial attack was a hate-filled person acting out his violence dominance fantasies and his fringe-media-fuelled terrors. This is a deliberate insult by a government towards its minority citizens on a day which calls for solidarity above all. It’s a statement which says, clearly, “you are not us.”

The first cannot be held against the proud, grieving people of South Carolina. The second can.

I’m white. This means that I do not have to feel afraid to walk the streets of Charleston. However, it also means that white people will listen to me, and so I have a responsibility to do something.

I’m going to write a letter.

Really? Dean Esmay posts that shit just when AVFM publishes a bollocks puff piece about themselves, writing:

I could spend the rest of this article pointing out, in a thousand ways, why we don’t hate women or anyone else; how we are a remarkably diverse group whose membership crosses all lines of sex, race, sexuality, religion, lack of religion and political orientation. But there is no need to do that when the truth of that blazes across thousands of pages on this website.

For the record, most of the word count in that article is spent going “WE DON’T HATE WOMEN BECAUSE WE HAVE WOMEN WRITERS!”

@sunnysombrera:

Sure. Just like KKK don’t hate blacks; they only want an equal society for all, or some other ridiculously untrue and self-serving crap.

I saw recently a manurespherian saying that it is obviously impossible that they hate women, because would men hating women spend so much time learning about them? And that ‘learning’ is what goes on in the ‘sphere. Obviously.

An unironic thanks, Obama! for pointing out that this doesn’t happen in countries that have some gun control.
https://youtu.be/c9oem60eU6M

Alright, AVFM doesn’t hate women, it’s just that fucking their shit up gives them an erection. That’s not hate, that’s love…

So when a black man rapes a white woman it’s “hurting our women”, but when white men rape a white woman it’s “normal masculine sexuality”.

Got it.

On another note, my guess is that the overwhelmingly childless guys obsessing about so-called uneven child-custody laws is just about clinging to one more fake reason why their demographic is so “oppressed”. People actually in the trenches know better as to what the real percentage of men are that challenge custody arrangements.

I’ll admit that I didn’t know the demographic was so young. Many of them come off middle aged to me.