Anyone who’s paid much attention to the growth of the “Red Pill” ideology in the manosphere is aware that many of the most fervent Red Pillers not only lean right politically, they lean so far right that they more or less look like this:
Only much less cute.
Well, now the Red Pillers on Reddit are just straight-up advocating Hitler’s policies on women during the Third Reich. Not just advocating traditionalist policies similar to what Hitler did. Literally saying that Germany today should literally adopt literal Hitler’s literal “solution” to the Woman Problem.
In a discussion of what the Red Pillers see as a disastrous drop in the birth rate in Germany, one commenter suggested that “Germany knows what it has to do, and Germany has demonstrated it is capable of doing it with cold, calculated German efficiency.”
He linked to a Wikipedia page on “Women in Nazi Germany,” which noted that
Women in the Third Reich lived within a regime characterized by a policy of confining women in the roles of mother and spouse and excluding them from all positions of responsibility, notably in the political and academic spheres.
Other Red Pillers thought this sounded fine and dandy, upvoting his comments and adding their own thoughts:
![[–]Piroko 17 points 12 hours ago Germany knows what it has to do, and Germany has demonstrated it is capable of doing it with cold, calculated German efficiency. The question is, will they? permalinkembedsavereportgive gold [–]HAMMURABl 31 points 12 hours ago* Trust me, Germany 2015 is like the opposite of Germany 1935. As op said, todays germany will push for more women working and more immigrants to counter the ever declining birth rate. The causal thinking of "more women working" » "less babies" can MAYBE be seen by the average german, but solutions of sort "women staying more at home would solve the demographic catastrophe" are completely anathema to him. Its like the germans cant find a stable midpoint, they have to go from one extreme to the other. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive gold [–]BloodyPhallus 16 points 11 hours ago I'm fascinated by what will happen in Germany. Will another leader arise to take back the country, or will it become a nation of towelhead nutjobs? Eighty years from a proud German people to a weak, castrated German people, will there be a German people in another eighty years?](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/redpillnazis.png?resize=531%2C562&ssl=1)
In case anyone is wondering, Piroko also
- is a big fan of Robert Heinlein’s Starship Troopers
- is NOT a big fan of women’s suffrage
- posts in KotakuInAction and the Men’s Rights subreddit
Apparently, to paraphrase an old WWII propaganda poster encouraging carpooling, when you post in the Red Pill subreddit, you post with Hitler.
H/T — r/thebluepill
@Asterose
“machogestapo” made me laugh out loud (it’s saturday and I’m stoned 😀 )
“No country in five thousand years of mostly recorded history has ever given women franchise and endured.”
Hey Piroko, Women have had the right to vote in the United States since the passage of the 19th amendment in 1919. That’s almost one hundred years, and men didn’t do anywhere near as much to subvert women’s right to vote than white men did to subvert the right of black people to vote. Looks like we “endured” pretty well so far.
@Asterose: “Machogestapo” LOL…love it! I believe this word needs to be entered into the lexicon for eternity.
MRA= Master Race Activist
@Bina
I only know what that means because of the Mozart song.
@Criticaldragon1177
From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starship_Troopers_characters):
“While combat troops are universally male, the Navy can and often does recruit women as ship crewmen, both because women make better pilots, and for reasons of morale.”
Heinlein actually seemed to be all for women engaged in rather high-status occupations, and while his reasoning gets odd, and he also says some…iffy things, he wouldn’t exactly fit in with the red-pillers.
The disastrous results of pseudo sciences like social darwinism and nazism, which were nothing but distortions and oversimplifications of the great philosophies of that
time (Nietzsche), have a big hand in preventing the people of the present from understanding that the opposite, egalitarianism, has equally disastrous consequences especially
when it is being implemented as rigorously as is done today. Social darwinism was essentially correct, but no one can decide what weakness is. That’s why it failed.
The opposite, egalitarianism, simply isn’t evolutionary stable and will cause the degeneration and eventual extinction of the species. So unless some kind of true elite arises,
addressing this evolutionary imbalance, humanity is doomed.
One of the (very many) things that mystify me is how nobody (in power) seems to be able to figure out that if you want to increase the birth rate, you should make it easier for people to raise children — and in particular, not penalize women in their careers for having children.
I’m thinking particularly of Japan, where the birth rate is down in part because women who enjoy their careers are severely pressured into full time motherhood if they marry and have children.
Do they….know that besides being evil, the Nazis…. lost the war? They lost. They’re losers.
They can’t tell the Nazis are the baddies. Don’t expect too much.
Though I do remember seeing someone say that the Nazis secretly won because we pulled some rocket scientists into NASA and/or the CIA.
Opium4themasses
Jesus, Mary and Joseph Gordon Levitt,
that article is frightening. Of course, MRAs will blame gynocentric family courts, rather than, you know, he was quite likely an unfit father with anger management issues and according to the article, a history of family violence.
Or they will just label him “mentally ill” as they did Elliot Rodgers and blame a lack of mental healthe resources for men.
Anything to dissociate themselves from violent men and avoid examining toxic attitudes in masculinity.
Didn’t Elam post something about fathers bombing or setting fire to family courts?
@Bob Dole
You wrote,
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@Criticaldragon1177
From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starship_Troopers_characters):
“While combat troops are universally male, the Navy can and often does recruit women as ship crewmen, both because women make better pilots, and for reasons of morale.”
Heinlein actually seemed to be all for women engaged in rather high-status occupations, and while his reasoning gets odd, and he also says some…iffy things, he wouldn’t exactly fit in with the red-pillers.
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It sounds like the book is different from the movie, because in the movie version I remember there being female combat troops.
The movie is also pretty much a parody of Heinlein’s book.
Wait…
Motherhood isn’t a position of responsibility? Caring for, nurturing, raising, and guiding human beings from infancy to adulthood isn’t responsibility in their minds?
Isn’t it, though? Best language in the world for cussing people out. Especially ones who deserve it.
Bingo. Stigmatize working mothers, and it’s not surprising that German women would rather work than be mothers. Especially since a “good” mother, at least according to the old outmoded stereotype, is such an impossible person to be…
Meanwhile, somebody mentioned, earlier on, that France reversed its low-birthrate trend by using a different strategy: more governmental support for new parents, and less stigma for working moms. The result? More French babies. And moms returning to work happy and secure, knowing that their kids were in good hands.
Heinlein believed a lot of odd things. He seemed to almost believe women were a separate species sometimes. (See Friday, for example. Or don’t. Trigger warnings should almost certainly be applied.)
That said, as noted above, he never really seemed to think women were unsuited for military roles. He may have had a streak of ‘separate but equal’, but he seemed to actually mean the ‘equal’ more than most people who use that phrase.
Then again, Heinlein’s attitudes and politics changed considerably over the course of his writing career, and particularly over the course of his three marriages. (His second wife was a liberal activist, his third more conservative military, and a WAVES officer in WWII.)
Why does anyone need to be having more children? Was there an apocalypse I wasn’t aware of?
@mcjuliek
It’s more of a racist thing ,you know, not enough white babies to go around and be white and shit the next generation.
Because much like the words “sexist”, “rape”, “racist”, and “misogynist”, they know the word is bad, but they rather like the meaning of it.
So I guess this means the term feminazi is no more, if they’re admitting that the Nazis are actively anti-feminist and that feminism is anti-fascist.
Is that a win?
Makes me happy for my french heritage. 😀
I think those progressive ideas are due, in part at least, to the fact that sexuality is such less of a taboo in France. More openness leads to more discussion. Sex drive isn’t seen as a “male” thing and being sexy isn’t seen as a “female” thing. Here’s an example of an ad campaign I’m sure a lot of you will enjoy 😛
And loads of commercials feature sex jokes that wholeheartedly acknowledge that everyone has a sex drive. Seriously, here are a few commercials I remember being confused by then finding hilarious while growing up:
Man and woman are in bed, she’s getting it on but he seems out of it and goes into the kitchen. Woman is frustrated and goes to see what he’s up to and notices him with his back turned and his right hand gyrating quickly. She’s looking upset, until he turns around and he’s just scrambling some eggs. (The tag line is “la cuisine qui donne envie” which means “The kitchen that makes you wanna ;)”
Teenage Girl and boy are both sitting on bed facing away from the camera, dialog goes like this:
Girl: “C’mon, show me”
Boy: “I dunno…”
Girl: “Seriously? You said you would”
Boy: “Ok fine”
Girl: “Woaaaaah, it’s huge!”
Boy: “Yeah it’s pretty sweet, huh?”
Cut to in front of them, he’s holding a cell phone.
In the US there are plenty of special needs adoption eligible white kids who age out of care without being ever adopted.
Racist fuckwits do nothing to give those kids homes. They aren’t concerned for little white children and teens who need families. They are concerned with enslaving women. They fantasize about a world where they don’t have to compete with women. One where women are livestock they can own and abuse.
Children aren’t people to these creeps. They’re tools to use to punish women.
@Moocow That’s what I love about France. France is just far more sexually open and positive than much of the Anglo-Protestant world (namely the Five Eyes of USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and New Zealand).
Also, when the French do feminist internet debates, it tends to involve far less doxxing and rape threats and more making lighthearted jabs at each other.
Sadly, there’s some of that WHTM bullshit in the comments there too.
(Roughly translated from French to English)
“I’ll remind the women here that while you were treated well, men fought to destroy these despicable cliches that you rejoice in. I’ve realized you are right, but the oppressed have become the oppressors. You’ve proved our 200,000,000 years of oppression and we’ve proved that in our place you are doing the same thing as well.”
I thought Starship Troopers was an incredibly absurd vision of an idealistic military utopia, where all the problems were solved and we were safer than ever because we banded together in glorious war.
Granted I read it a long time ago, but I always thought of it as an absurdist take on the human condition. Like Catch-22, or Brazil… or maybe A Modest Proposal?
Apparently Heinlein was dead serious when he wrote it. Now I feel weird and gross about the whole thing. I kind of want to re-read it now that I’ve been told he actually believed in it, but I don’t want to waste my time on stupid things written by someone who is a butthead.